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Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.11.02 16:59:00 - [31] Edited by: Ay Liz on 02/11/2010 17:01:11 Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY Incarna has been in development for longer than world war one and yet it seems nothing is known, nothing can be shown, no decisions have been made and the entire enterprise is still in the foggy land of early (or even pre-) development. No. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7R6AxoO8yY Edit for linky
McRoll Minmatar The Legion of Darkness	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:03:00 - [32] When/if Incarna comes out I will lol so hard at all the people who "looked forward" to this valuable addition to the game and will be disappointed because it offers nothing besides dressing up and doing emotes in 4-5 rooms. I mean its not like the playerbase could have changed that decision if CCP thinks that they will get many new customers with that. The sheer amount of people who want Incarna surprises me though... this game and all its functions have been developed for and around spaceships.People should actually realize that implementing a completely new gameplay mechanic that has nothing at all to do with the actual game cannot work well. Maybe the crowds are satisfied with dressing up and spamming emotes though, in this case CCP is doing right. Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:09:00 - [33] Confirming that CCP has put all its resources into incarna/wis/ambulation since it was first announced. Never even taken a coffee break from it. But you concern's are ofc right, it will take CCP another four years to come up with ideas on what you can do when walking around.
Skinae	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:13:00 - [34] I will be amazed if Incarna offers what Earth and Beyond did (a game that came out a decade ago). And that was just gambling, production and agents.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Xercodo Edited by: Xercodo on 02/11/2010 16:51:30 1)In the CSM meeting they said they admitted to having **ed up PI. They had new teams that had never worked together before and it shot all their timelines out the window, and they promise to never let the same thing happen to themselves again. I've also read those excuses. I'll reserve my judgment for when I see the final product. However, what could be seen on SISI (before testing of the 64bit inventory) was not even close to what was promised only a few months before PI went live. Originally by:** Xercodo 2)It very much is a damned good system, as you can see by all the demo videos from past fanfests Demo videos show human avatars walking through a 3D-modeled environment. What is this "system" that you are talking about and why did it take over 4 years to put together? ...
LOL CYBERKNIGHTS	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:19:00 - [36] Yet another walking in stations whine. Would you rather they rush the whole thing and bring out a load of crap and potentially ruin the game?
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Foundation	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:26:00 - [37] What i think happened: They announced Incarna/Ambulation They began development, and some dev put a gun on his character and said Wow, wouldnt this be cool... They began work on Dust... They decided that they shouldnt be re-developing the wheel here, so now we have Carbon. Imo its about to happen now, They've got carbon, once Dust comes we should see incarno shortly after since all of the hard work is out of the way, thanks to dust, and it can easily be integrated into eve, thanks to Carbon To all the people who ***** about dust being developed on their wallets, its not quite true, since a lot of the tech they're developing for Dust is going to be used in EVE also, And eventually Dust sales will actually be funding eve.
EyeCeeYou	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY It begs the question what HAS been done in that case? Please educate yourself on what the phrase "begging the question" really means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question I really enjoy posts like this. Informative, educational AND a stick in someone's eye. +1 Barakkus!
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:27:00 - [39] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 02/11/2010 17:34:29 Originally by: LOL CYBERKNIGHTS Yet another walking in stations whine. Would you rather they rush the whole thing and bring out a load of crap and potentially ruin the game? The longer CCP doesn't release Incarna, the higher the expectations and the more likely the playerbase will react hostile/disappointed once it is released. CCP employees absolutely love to talk about the content of their brainstorming sessions (treaties, PI pvp, comet mining, "not registered on any network" activities in Incarna, ...) and with every Fanfest that passes players come to expect an additional 4-5 features they heard some dev mention. At this point Incarna would likely have to be a fully featured 2nd MMORPG nested within EVE (with quests, crafting, pvp, ...) to satisfy players' expectations and that's very bad for CCP. So, yes IMO they should have released Incarna like 2 years ago and if that means that clothing simulation is not as fine as it could be than that's still a lot better than CCP having to confront their customers' inflated expectations with reality next year.
Auora Isiel	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:29:00 - [40] Originally by: McRoll When/if Incarna comes out I will lol so hard at all the people who "looked forward" to this valuable addition to the game and will be disappointed because it offers nothing besides dressing up and doing emotes in 4-5 rooms. I mean its not like the playerbase could have changed that decision if CCP thinks that they will get many new customers with that. The sheer amount of people who want Incarna surprises me though... this game and all its functions have been developed for and around spaceships.People should actually realize that implementing a completely new gameplay mechanic that has nothing at all to do with the actual game cannot work well. Maybe the crowds are satisfied with dressing up and spamming emotes though, in this case CCP is doing right. It may be slightly pointless to do nothing but talk in chat rooms or to walk around looking at other avatars, but it will be nice to actually see your own pilot and not just have a portrait to stare at. They may expand on it, but who knows what CCP may be planning to do with Incarna once it is released.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Ghoest EVE is a PVP game - they are adding a huge non-PVP feature. What feature is that? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:43:00 - [42] Originally by: McRoll When/if Incarna comes out I will lol so hard at all the people who "looked forward" to this valuable addition to the game and will be disappointed because it offers nothing besides dressing up and doing emotes in 4-5 rooms. I share your concern and to an extent your cynicism .. but .. if that were 'it' why would it have taken years?
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.11.02 17:58:00 - [43] Calm down people remember CCP 'iterates' that's fancy programming talk for 'build again' so when they release whatever it is that is full of 'must haves' and we all go 'lame' they will be working on like 1/3 of the 'want to have' (whatever that is) that might make it in the next expansion for the winter, see no problems! --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Ranger 1 They have been developing the actual system itself, which is the main hurdle. All else is a very minor issue in comparison. So, even after PI fiasco you still can't stop with the fanboy shtick when faced with some pretty facepalm-worthy CCP admissions? After more then 4 years in development, and they (may) have a "system"? This better be some pretty damn slick and impressive system that doesn't even include combat. Relax, I know you still love me. No need to act out. With PI I consistantly maintained that we would get a bare bones system in at the start, which would be fleshed out in subsequent iterations. As you can see, if you bother to check the information on the next expansion (as well as recent Dev blogs), I was correct. I promise I'll try really hard to be wrong once in a while, just for you sweetie. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Ranger 1 With PI I consistantly maintained that we would get a bare bones system in at the start, which would be fleshed out in subsequent iterations. As you can see, if you bother to check the information on the next expansion (as well as recent Dev blogs), I was correct. Oh come on man, with PI being special (since CCP's future commercial product is gimmicked to depend on it) it's still not even close to what we heard at last year's fanfest (I mean the updated version we saw on SISI recently). Sure, it may get there eventually, at the expense of everything else, but only because DUST needs a reason for being. What makes you hope that WIS will get some significant followups beyond bugfixing and nerfing? ...
Dr Lebroi	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:38:00 - [46] Someone who works for CCP told me they have put tons of hidden nudie stuff in it. All room doors will have key code pads, if you put in the right code a trap door will open in the ceiling which you can access. You will be able to crawl down ducting to get to the ladies shower room and watch all the lez action then joff off on their hair through an inspection panel. Send 50 million isk to me now and I will send back the codes so you can be ready with your thing in a sock when Incarna comes out. Don't delay.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.02 18:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Gnukk Walking In Station (now Incarna) is, and always has been, a LIE. It has been singularly responsible for keeping thousands of subs active and waiting, so it has been a marketing win. As the OP points out, even with the (alleged) release for the summer expansion, nominally only six months away, there is no functionality to the entire system. Place your bets now on multiple delays to release, leading all the way out to when it is finally announced that they system will not be deployed within Eve at all. dude, I and 100's opf other palyers have allready played walkign in stations 2 years ago... they had a playable demo, why you do you think people are **ed? why do you think this thread was made? it has nothing to do with it being real or not, no sane person thinks walking in stations is a lie that's just stupid lol. However, since 100s of us have already gotten our hands on it 2 years ago, the idea that there are no design decisions is an forbidding and at the most, lazy. it's bull, you don't design a game for 2 years and just don't come up with a design while your at it. we;; maybe it's not bull**, it' s just worrying. but come in here with your trolling and try to derail it to talking about if it's real. we know it's real, we played it. Anyways, they better have some sort of idea that is just so awesome they won't even tell the CSM. but... the fact they wouldn't tell the CSM something like that is also... depressing since we thought the CSM was suppose to have 100% transparency
Clarion Abbot	Posted - 2010.11.02 19:50:00 - [48] Edited by: Clarion Abbot on 02/11/2010 19:52:06 Originally by: MotherMoon ... Anyways, they better have some sort of idea that is just so awesome they won't even tell the CSM. but... the fact they wouldn't tell the CSM something like that is also... depressing since we thought the CSM was suppose to have 100%... It took you a few years but im glad to see your starting to hate CCP :))) A couple more clangers from them and you'll really detest them
Tarin Majagh Caldari Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Dr Lebroi Someone who works for CCP told me they have put tons of hidden nudie stuff in it. All room doors will have key code pads, if you put in the right code a trap door will open in the ceiling which you can access. You will be able to crawl down ducting to get to the ladies shower room and watch all the lez action then joff off on their hair through an inspection panel. Send 50 million isk to me now and I will send back the codes so you can be ready with your thing in a sock when Incarna comes out. Don't delay. well thats sold it for me. -- Quantum Forge
Kireiina	Posted - 2010.11.03 08:48:00 - [50] Incarna is just a tech demo of the code and materials they are developing for WoD (world of Darkness). It should come as no surprise there's nothing specifically "Eve" about it.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Kireiina Incarna is just a tech demo of the code and materials they are developing for WoD (world of Darkness). It should come as no surprise there's nothing specifically "Eve" about it. I suspect that aside from the ISK transactions for WIS-specific items that is essentially how it is. There aren't even any visual cues to connect with - no hanger with a spaceship to visit, or see it through one of those windows we see when we spin our ships, and no windows into space. And I'm not even talking about seeing the actual outside environment; CCP didn't even consider implementing some static space scenery to look at. ...
BIZZAROSTORMY	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:02:00 - [52] Well since they are asking the CSM "what do you think should be in it" shouldnt the CSM have a poll or something so we can nail these decisions down before - oh next thursday. Only a few months left, so no time to waste! We can list say 20 things to be in it and then vote for top 3 MUST haves
Rheige Bladewhisper	Posted - 2010.11.03 19:59:00 - [53] Originally by: LOL CYBERKNIGHTS Yet another walking in stations whine. Would you rather they rush the whole thing and bring out a load of crap and potentially ruin the game? Personally, I'd rather they spent my money on doing something that actually impacted my game, instead of using it as a prototype for their WoD MMO while trying to argue that they're giving an actual damn about EVE gameplay. Besides, what is there to ruin when they can barely think of any actual gameplay uses for Incarna?
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.03 20:06:00 - [54] At least they're asking for ideas instead...not many MMO companies bother asking the players what they want, they just let some out of touch marketing department and greedy, short sighted CEO dictate what is going to happen with development. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Rheige Bladewhisper	Posted - 2010.11.03 20:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Barakkus At least they're asking for ideas instead...not many MMO companies bother asking the players what they want, they just let some out of touch marketing department and greedy, short sighted CEO dictate what is going to happen with development. Can you really remotely think that? Incarna EXISTS because a bunch of greedy idiots grubbed their hands all over EVE. This long working on it and they still don't actually have any ideas for gameplay! Does that really make you think this is remotely on the level? "Oh hey, we're going to spend 80 percent of our resources for the game you are playing working on this system... It doesn't have any gameplay ramifications we can think of, but it will be really really neat, promise! Oh, and ignore the fact that all this design work that we're vomiting up is totally perfect for another game we're making... but not for EVE itself."
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper Originally by: Barakkus At least they're asking for ideas instead...not many MMO companies bother asking the players what they want, they just let some out of touch marketing department and greedy, short sighted CEO dictate what is going to happen with development. Can you really remotely think that? Incarna EXISTS because a bunch of greedy idiots grubbed their hands all over EVE. This long working on it and they still don't actually have any ideas for gameplay! Does that really make you think this is remotely on the level? "Oh hey, we're going to spend 80 percent of our resources for the game you are playing working on this system... It doesn't have any gameplay ramifications we can think of, but it will be really really neat, promise! Oh, and ignore the fact that all this design work that we're vomiting up is totally perfect for another game we're making... but not for EVE itself." You weren't around when they announced it in 06 were you? You don't have much of a clue how development at gaming companies work either for that matter do you? And for that matter, you didn't watch all the stuff on Incarna from Fan Fest did you? Otherwise you'd know the OP is just a troll, there has been some functionality already decided upon, the OP would rather just try to stir up some rabble on the forums than anything constructive. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 04/11/2010 02:11:10 Originally by: Barakkus stuffs Did you read the CSM minutes? Quote: CCP could not offer any concrete answer to these concerns as nothing has been decided in regard to the gameplay and availability of incarna Quote: CPP: Nothing has been decided about the actual functionality [regarding captain's quarters] and it was not possible to commit in any form or fashion to functionalities. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Did you read the CSM minutes? Quote: CCP could not offer any concrete answer to these concerns as nothing has been decided in regard to the gameplay and availability of incarna Quote: CPP: Nothing has been decided about the actual functionality [regarding captain's quarters] and it was not possible to commit in any form or fashion to functionalities. There is a difference between "nothing has been decided" and "no gameplay exists", and there is a difference between the functionality of your personal quarters and the functionality of Incarna as a whole. The glass-half-full interpretation is that they are working on N gameplay varieties, but haven't decided which ones will be rolled out first and thus should get priority when it comes to attention and polish. What Barakkus points to is the fact that they have already demonstrated some gameplay, so saying that there is none just because they haven't decided on a roll-out schedule is rather disingenuous. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Simply Human	Posted - 2010.11.04 02:39:00 - [59] Bars, walk in corp offices, mini games and large community areas aren't quite nothing. Unless they've already thrown all that out. Not having come up with anything to do in your room isn't much of a surprise, really there's nothing to do. Unless you could sit at a computer and watch a screen of someone sitting at a computer, that'd be worth watching.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.11.04 03:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Goremageddon Box jk, nah thats good enough, but seriously, incarna better have some texas hold em for isk Why would we need that in Incarna when we have it now: (forum thread) (www.eohpoker.com) ______________________________

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