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Tiberius Adama
Amarr
Capital Banking and Investment
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:23:00 -
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9UY ( a former CVA strong hold for many years ) is now in the control of Chribba.
Chribba has from what I can tell zero interest in 0.0 politics, and has stated he will run 9UY as a open door policy. From what I can tell anyone, pirates included, will be allowed to dock in 9UY.
I raise this question out of pure economic rationale. Will CVA allow Chribba to keep 9UY open for all entities? Or will CVA move into re-secure 9UY. With CVA slowly gaining manpower and directive's, this could certainly happen within a few months.
If so it has the ability to be on of the premium trading outposts in 0.0, maybe even surpassing CVA's tenure with 9UY as even CVA's enemies will be allowed to dock and trade.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
Covenant of Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.11.02 15:33:00 -
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Open-door policies are tricky, especially in a location like Unity Station (9UY).
I think it will stand as it is until a solid bloc takes over the entire area around it. Once this happens, whoever opposes this bloc will use Unity Station as a refuge in the heart of their enemy's territory, to launch strikes all around it.
Whoever this bloc is will eventually be forced to wipe out this enemy haven, and Chribba along with it, and accept the (possibly heavy) consequences of that action.
CARDINAL - xDIAx
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Evanga
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 16:12:00 -
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Where on earth did you conclude CVA is able to resecure 9UY?
Even Aralis is not THAT stupid to engage Chribba (and rest of eve)...however, am i safe to make such an assumption?? 
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Thathanka
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Posted - 2010.11.02 17:12:00 -
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CVA didn't even put up a fight to prevent losing 9UY, I can't see them fighting to re-take it.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Thathanka
CVA didn't even put up a fight to prevent losing 9UY, I can't see them fighting to re-take it.
Point of order: neither did we put up a fight to prevent losing S9X, HP-6, H9-J, or N8X.
9uy is very much out of our scope of influence or interest currently. Make no mistake: CVA is in a fragile strategic position. Any talk of our immenent return to 9uy is massively premature. Ushra'khan built and held that station for a long time before CVA ever conquered it, and that was during a period of time where the only interested parties in Providence were (in essence) CVA and Ushra'Khan.
Clearly the situation is very different now.
Aralis answers to a much higher authority than mere inquiring minds on this summit, and he will make strategic decisions accordingly. That said, I always take personal pleasure in watching conspiracy theorists, rumor mongers, and spin doctors publicly foaming at the mouth, so I'll provide the following for consideration and analysis: diplomacy has always and will always be given a chance, a neutral party in Providence is a good thing, and we have no overt interest in forcing Chribba into the "badguy" camp.
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orphenshadow
Gallente
Easy Co.
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.11.03 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: orphenshadow on 03/11/2010 07:26:18
When CVA becomes relevant to the political situation in providence. Please let me know. Until then, Perhaps you should pay more attention to the political climate.
They have yet to take back a system by force from the current providence holders.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.11.03 08:34:00 -
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^^tldr:
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Ratokus
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.11.03 09:07:00 -
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OP is lacking content
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.11.03 10:35:00 -
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Offtopic post removed. Please note that impersonating forum moderators, even jokingly, is strictly forbidden and may result in a warning.
Spitfire
Community Representative
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.03 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: orphenshadow
When CVA becomes relevant to the political situation in providence. Please let me know.
It's a quibling point, but given the current Provibloc would rather be shooting at each-other for fun without risking sovereignty per their "fight club" non-invasion pact arrangements and instead are consistently forced to unite against CVA and generally fail to shoot at each-other at all, I'd say we're fairly relevant.
I'll believe the Providence residents view CVA as "irrelevant" when the daily attacks on sovereignty in our systems cease.
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Evanga
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.11.04 07:51:00 -
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What would Providence have looked like if your benevolent fnhrer Aralis hadn't said "Nope" to -A-'s offer back then?
Also, did you guys ever finish operation Delivery?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Evanga
What would Providence have looked like if your benevolent fnhrer Aralis hadn't said "Nope" to -A-'s offer back then?
Worse, I'm sure. The results would have been much the same in regards to the fracturing of the Holders, neutrals would feel sold out and leave the area, and a greater power would've come along and unseated us as spineless failures unworthy of holding space. And when we tried to rebuild and reconquer, our integrity would be shot, making it impossible to gain any support at all.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
Covenant of Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.11.04 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
I'll believe the Providence residents view CVA as "irrelevant" when the daily attacks on sovereignty in our systems cease.
You mean Amarr's systems, right?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.04 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
You mean Amarr's systems, right?
No, I mean our systems. If the Empire ever cares enough to show interest, the Empire can ask for them. Until such time, we remain pragmatic; we can play pretend and call them the Amarr Empire's systems, but reality is much different. When the systems are under attack, the Amarr Empire does not defend them, we do. When citizens of our space are under attack, the Amarr Navy does not defend them, we do. When people dock out our stations, the Amarr Empire does not collect taxes, we do. The Amarr Empire does not pay fees to maintain a claim on the system, we do.
They are our systems, and Aralis administers in a fashion consistent with our loyalty to the Empire. To claim anything else would be chest-puffing pride and baffoonery. To fight and survive and create a safety buffer between the Empire and the uncivilized is to think and speak in realistic and accurate terms. To call Providence "Amarr's systems" is not realistic or accurate, and won't be even when we've staked a larger claim and removed the userpers.
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Kimsemus
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kimsemus on 05/11/2010 15:23:50
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Invelious
You mean Amarr's systems, right?
No, I mean ProviBlocks systems. If the Empire ever cares enough to show interest, the Empire can ask for them. Until such time, we remain pragmatic; we can play pretend and call them the Amarr Empire's systems, but reality is much different. When the systems are under attack, the Amarr Empire does not defend them, ProviBlock does. When citizens of their space are under attack, the Amarr Navy does not defend them, ProviBlock does. When people dock at their stations, the Amarr Empire does not collect taxes, ProviBlock does. The Amarr Empire does not pay fees to maintain a claim on the system, ProviBlock does.
They are ProviBlock's systems, and they administer in a fashion consistent with their loyalty to NBSI policies because NRDS is foolish and idealistic. To claim anything else would be chest-puffing pride and baffoonery. To fight and survive and create a safety buffer between the Empire and the uncivilized is to think and speak in realistic and accurate terms. To call Providence "Amarr's systems" is not realistic or accurate, since all we can do are ninja SBUs and systems undergoing sov transfers.
I noticed some inconsistencies and outdated information in your last statement sir, so I went ahead and corrected them for you. I also highlighted my changes for your education. Enjoy.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.05 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kimsemus
I noticed some inconsistencies and outdated information in your last statement sir, so I went ahead and corrected them for you. I also highlighted my changes for your education. Enjoy.
Except, of course, my information is not outdated. We do control sovereignty in 4 systems. And have, to date, successfully defended the claim.
I believe the egger pop culture has a saying to address your feelings on the matter: "you mad?"
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Kimsemus
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.11.05 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kimsemus
I noticed some inconsistencies and outdated information in your last statement sir, so I went ahead and corrected them for you. I also highlighted my changes for your education. Enjoy.
Except, of course, my information is not outdated. We do control sovereignty in 4 systems. And have, to date, successfully defended the claim.
I believe the egger pop culture has a saying to address your feelings on the matter: "you mad?"
To clarify, you control 4 systems because some of the entities in southern Providence really screwed the pooch when it came to a sovereignty transfer. Now, you can beat your chests and scream Amarr Victor in local as much as you want, we'll get to those systems soon. The proof is in the pudding when you jump your fleet out and wont engage every instance where your timers come up. You guys are simply a cancer that needs a couple more chemotherapy treatments. Soon enough, soon enough.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.05 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kimsemus
To clarify, you control 4 systems
Much better.
If you would have bothered to catch up on the discussion instead of eagerly foaming at the mouth to hurl an inaccurately framed insult, you would be aware I already addressed our fragile strategic position as relevant to questions asked at the outset of the discussion.
But we do control 4 systems. And for now, they are our systems. Certainly not Provibloc's, and not the Amarr Empire's as much as we might like them to be.
I'll save the chest beating for when the usurping Provibloc has been removed.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.05 21:53:00 -
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IIRC last time someone attacked a pos tower belonging to chribba, most of the major merc alliances flew into help free of charge.
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Kimsemus
Imperium Technologies
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.11.05 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kimsemus
To clarify, you control 4 systems
Much better.
If you would have bothered to catch up on the discussion instead of eagerly foaming at the mouth to hurl an inaccurately framed insult, you would be aware I already addressed our fragile strategic position as relevant to questions asked at the outset of the discussion.
But we do control 4 systems. And for now, they are our systems. Certainly not Provibloc's, and not the Amarr Empire's as much as we might like them to be.
I'll save the chest beating for when the usurping Provibloc has been removed.
Gloat while you can, we'll take those systems from you and relegate you to scratching out a living in lowsec again.
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Spoon Thumb
Mamaleek
Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.11.10 14:01:00 -
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No one in Providence has exactly covered themselves in glory since CVA and Holders got carried away attacking -A-
CVA swallowed their pride in choosing the 'bore the hell out of your attacker' tactic, one which -A- was to follow themselves just a few months later
It is hardly fair to accuse CVA of opportunism in the face of the alternative of fading away into obscurity and irrelevance, especially not from a member of a corporation trying to avoid the same fate
It is an accepted fact that everyone loves Chribba. I'm sure a man with the personality and charisma to achieve that will have little problem negotiating a diplomatic settlement to any future threat, whoever might pose it
9UY was strategically important to CVA, and will probably be to any future power in the area, so it might be that it's not the Chribba bit that is the problem, but the 9UY bit
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