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Sebastiann Kane	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:53:00 - [1] (Please dont talk about ghost training and character farming) One of the only things i do not like about EVE is the limited skill queue. Quite a few of my corporation are out at the moment in Afghanistan and their game is over for six months. Plus there are times when RL issues come up and people just want to forget about the game for a month or two knowing full well that they can come back to it. You pay for your long term subscription and while you have flight time you train. The main argument that everyone gives against it is that you can start farming characters as you can load up a years worth of training and ghost train them for free. But this is not true ghost training does not exist anymore and if someone wanted to farm characters they would just do what they are doing now but be forced to log on more frequently. The real reason that CCP keeps the queue at 24 hours is because they believe if it was unlimited then people would lose there emotional attachment to the game as it would be out of there minds for long periods of time and they might just quit. The problem with that is that individual psychologists can be wrong and they have no long term data to support that model. Second It would be very interesting to see the raw data for increased subscriptions when they introduced the 24hr training queue. My personal belief is that that they have people believing that the 24hr skill queue keeps this game social and that people will play more with a smaller skill queue when the real truth is that CCP is a business and they believe that they will keep people hooked on the game if they force them to log in. But they are definately missing a trick If they increase the skill queue to unlimited or at least 6 months then they will get far more subscribers as it will include all of those people who dont want to log in ever few days or constantly monitor there skill queue. Consider back when the game started and there was no skill queue and how many people who play now would not have been interested in being forced to log in constantly or setting there alarm clocks in the middle of the night. This thread will change nothing but its just to let you know that CCP dont have a skill queue for you its for their increased revenue subscriptons and they are asking the wrong psychologists as if they increased it they would have a lot more subscribers but are to short sighted to see it. Lastly there are lots of ingame things to keep people hooked such as plexing. its based on the theory of skinners operant conditioning and operates exactly the same way as games like WOW and Diablo. its a form of gambling but you invest time instead of money and hope for a jackpot. This is why you will meet people who plex and do nothing else. Any thoughts and please read the whole thing through first.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:55:00 - [2] Then nobody* would have any reason to log in. And they don't want that. (* Obviously a slight exaggeration) Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Sebastiann Kane	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:55:00 - [3] Reserved
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:58:00 - [4] no thx Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:58:00 - [5] im in your thredz trolling your poztz _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.03 12:59:00 - [6] I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already.
Mardero Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:02:00 - [7] I agree with the OP.
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:05:00 - [8] My thoughts: Suggestion forums are that way ---> Signature? What signature?
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Then nobody* would have any reason to log in. And they don't want that. (* Obviously a slight exaggeration) LOL yes don't we all just play EVE to keep our skillqueues going? If that was indeed the case EVE would be a very boring game .. But yes it seems reasonable that if someone can't login for a number of months they'd stay subscribed if they can queue a lot of skills before leaving.
Bacon Slapper Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:06:00 - [10] EVE Online is a skill based game meaning that characters advance through the training and upgrading of skills over time. This training is real-time based, whether a player is logged in or not, their character continues to grow in the gameÆs universe. The time to train these skills varies and can actually take quite a while at the highest levels. Ghost Training made it possible to actually train skills with a dormant account. For example: You could set your long term skills to train, un-sub from the game, re-sub some time later and have your training completed when you came back. An announcement alone got some players up in arms, but the problem was compounded when an apparent internal miscommunication led the gameÆs Senior Producer to refer to the Ghost Training feature as a long-standing bug while company documentation on the website described it as an intentional game feature. In short I think the OPS idea would only result in character farming
Dead Jesus Gallente PeaceMakers.	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:12:00 - [11] Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't.
Lady Parity Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Enord Loej I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already. You should just quit
Rheige Bladewhisper	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:22:00 - [13] If you had to stay subscribed to keep your skill queue going, CCP certainly wouldn't be losing any money. Hell, they might be gaining some more. And all at the cost of... wait, was there actually any cost here, for them? Oh, the only thing this would do would be increase the ease of use of their interface, and ease of leveling up characters? Oh, well, if it can only cause good things for them then it's right out, then.
Cyprus Black Caldari Ministry of Destruction SCUM.	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Dead Jesus Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't. You should go shoot yourself. __________________________________________________ http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2084/lolveur2.gif
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:23:00 - [15] Make it PLEX for extended skill queue !!! Each additional PLEX applied to the account doubles your queue limit !
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Lady Parity Originally by: Enord Loej I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already. You should just quit Hey it's a paying customer!
Dead Jesus Gallente PeaceMakers.	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Cyprus Black Originally by: Dead Jesus Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't. You should go shoot yourself. why?
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:32:00 - [18] CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military. They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:33:00 - [19] No. It makes character farming too easy (sorry, just because you don't want people to mention the reason doesn't make it an invalid one). The skill queue isn't there to let you train AFK ù it's there to let you switch skills at 4AM without actually having to be awake at 4AM. That's its sole purpose. It may be called a skill queue, but that's not what it is: it's a skill switching buffer, and 24h is all that is ever needed to serve that particular purpose. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:35:00 - [20] I'd love it to be longer. Because I tend to neglect my skill queues and sometimes forget about them :_: There is still another factor that makes you want to log in at least occasionally though: it is not possible to inject and train skills which you don't have the prerequisite skills for. Meaning that you could queue skills for a very long time but that you wouldn't be able to specialize much unless you log on now and then for some injections and adjustments. ~~Recruiting!~~
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Alara IonStorm CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military. They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention. im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ****ed idea in the fact that, A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a **ing gaming company b. it would help terrorists, c. its just stupid _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Goremageddon Box im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ****ed idea in the fact that, A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a **ing gaming company b. it would help terrorists, c. its just stupid I see you pulled the terrorist card... Good job there! -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:45:00 - [23] If internet spaceship skillpoints are that important to you then don't get a job that requires you to be away from the client for extended durations. Or you could just get a friend to apply your skill changes for you. Having a skill queue at all is a privilege that took years to get. Don't think it's going to be extended any time soon. Ghost training doesn't exist fully these days but that doesn't stop extended skill queues from encouraging character farming and it is definitely a disincentive to logging in for many players. ~_~
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Alara IonStorm CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military. They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention. Except that CCP doesn't know who you are. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake Except that CCP doesn't know who you are. They just know your credit card and E-mail... -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Goremageddon Box im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ****ed idea in the fact that, A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a **ing gaming company b. it would help terrorists, c. its just stupid I see you pulled the terrorist card... Good job there! its not hard to intercept stuff like that yo, but realy, that would cause ccp to inquire large bribes from certain muslim entities..... xD maybe even venezuelan ones now that theyre trying to go all commi-pro but yea, sending somewhat classified information to people who dont need it is not cool. but i don't see the point of not having longer skill ques if u have to now have an active account to train. its no different then buying plex and selling them for isk, except its more long term, creating characters and selling those for isk, ur always paying the sub somehow, so any point against it is irrelevant besides the fact that they wnat u to log on 24 hours before your current skill que finishes to add another one to it, no matter the length. :) _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:50:00 - [27] Quote: If they increase the skill queue to unlimited or at least 6 months then they will get far more subscribers as it will include all of those people who dont want to log in ever few days I think most of the Eve community (and CCP) would rather have things as they are now, than have a whole slew of new 'Players' who simply load up a 6 month queue and then dont log back in. Oh and to the OP, you can't start a discussion with a point asking people not to mention on of the biggest negative aspects of your idea...... (Please dont talk about the health issues of second hand smoke) I think that the law stoping smokers from smoking in piblic buildings, bars etc is wrong. Discuss! ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Rodj Blake Except that CCP doesn't know who you are. They just know your credit card and E-mail... What credit card, and my email I use for junk? oh no. ~_~
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.03 13:56:00 - [29] First, you are in the wrong forum section. Second, there are reasons you might not be able to log in every 24 hours to change skills (see Afghanistan, or any deployed forces). For that reason I would support a "vacation mode", but I would not, nor will I ever, support longer skill queues in general. See 4th post down by me here for more details. I'm not posting it all again.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:10:00 - [30] I think it's unfortunate if you don't have any RL family or friends that you can trust to add skills to your queue.

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