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Sky Orcagna	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 03/11/2010 16:56:18 Do you think CCP ought to consider reopening the original wormhole leading into New Eden at some point? It's interesting to speculate about all the possibilities this would open up for EVE. A new race. Let's call them "Terrans" for lack of a better word. New technology, new ship designs, new weapons, and yet similar to what we have now because they share a common background. A gate leading back to where humanity originally came from. This gate could take many forms as the distance to be traveled via this wormhole would be immense. This jump might take hours to complete, bringing the player to a completely new playable area of space very different from New Eden. It could be that the original human empires were ravaged by war, a supernova explosion, or some other event that completely altered that space. It might now be a wasteland with no law and order at all, a place ruled by criminal gangs and warlords (no local, unreliable gates, plenty of ruins and loot for courageous souls). The gate leading back might be unstable. The traveler might arrive as planned or it might be that your fleet would be scattered and get dumped in some random system in the old space. It might be that old space was devastated by a Sleeper invasion thousands of years ago, making it a fascinating place to explore because of all the old ruins and valuable loot, but also extremely dangerous. The Sleepers in old space might be far more lethal than the ones in wormhole space. Might be roving fleets of Sleepers with capital ships or even titan Sleepers! Well organized gangs of experienced players with supercapital support might dare to jump into old space to seek the rarest types of Sleeper loot, but the unpredictable nature of the Sleepers there might mean few return. There are many possibilities here. But if CCP ever plans to increase the amount of space in EVE, I think a lot of people would like to see them do something like this rather than just bolt more systems onto what we already have. Those that have no interest in "old space" woudn't have to go there. They could continue to play EVE just the way they are now.
enterprisePSI Gallente Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:45:00 - [2] No Tears, or the titan dies!
CHEERWlNE	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:46:00 - [3] Yes
Tel'cie	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:47:00 - [4] I like the sound of that.
Anonymous Gallentean Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:47:00 - [5] well, maybe
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:50:00 - [6] Or we go back to find everyone living peacefully in a high tech society, and they regard us as primitive savages and won't let us land. In shame and confusion we head back into the WH, where things make sense to us, to continue squabbling over killmails. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:53:00 - [7] We dont need another race. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Tel'cie	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Ghoest We dont need another race. Yes we do, the current ones are 7 years stale.
Lance Tyr Minmatar freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:56:00 - [9] I don't see why this would make any sense. We have enough lore and history in the current EVE galaxy to last a lifetime. The story isn't about where we came from anymore but where we're going. EVE is about what happened to humanity thousands of years after the separation. I can understand the need to satisfy some curiosity but I don't think it'll fit to open the wormhole for no reason.
Cydori	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Cydori on 03/11/2010 16:59:40 Originally by: Lance Tyr I don't see why this would make any sense. We have enough lore and history in the current EVE galaxy to last a lifetime. The story isn't about where we came from anymore but where we're going. Yes, but EVE is also about meeting new people and killing them. It might be nice to see where our ancestors came from and then kill them. The whole thing sounds good to me.

Barakkus	Posted - 2010.11.03 16:58:00 - [11] We should have to fight the Inner Sphere Clans. Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus? Wait a minute...
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:09:00 - [12] Probably not. Why? Because there's only one entrance point in lowsec to the "old" space and it would be easily controllable/monopolized by some large entity.
Ovella	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Cydori Edited by: Cydori on 03/11/2010 16:59:40 Originally by: Lance Tyr I don't see why this would make any sense. We have enough lore and history in the current EVE galaxy to last a lifetime. The story isn't about where we came from anymore but where we're going. Yes, but EVE is also about meeting new people and killing them. It might be nice to see where our ancestors came from and then kill them. The whole thing sounds good to me. Only thing is: according to lore, they should have technology Jove can only dream of - good luck killing anything ;)
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Sky Orcagna Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 03/11/2010 16:56:48 Do you think CCP ought to consider reopening the original wormhole leading into New Eden at some point? It's interesting to speculate about all the possibilities this would open up for EVE. A new race. Let's call them "Terrans" for lack of a better word. New technology, new ship designs, new weapons, and yet similar to what we have now because they share a common background. A gate leading back to where humanity originally came from. This gate could take many forms as the distance to be traveled via this wormhole would be immense. This jump might take hours to complete, bringing the player to a completely new playable area of space very different from New Eden. It could be that the original human empires were ravaged by war, a supernova explosion, or some other event that completely altered that space. It might now be a wasteland with no law and order at all, a place ruled by criminal gangs and warlords (no local, unreliable gates, plenty of ruins and loot for courageous souls). The gate leading back might be unstable. The traveler might arrive as planned or it might be that your fleet would be scattered and get dumped in some random system in the old space. It might be that old space was devastated by a Sleeper invasion thousands of years ago, making it a fascinating place to explore because of all the old ruins and valuable loot, but also extremely dangerous. The Sleepers in old space might be far more lethal than the ones in wormhole space. Might be roving fleets of Sleepers with capital ships or even titan Sleepers! Well organized gangs of experienced players with supercapital support might dare to jump into old space to seek the rarest types of Sleeper loot, but the unpredictable nature of the Sleepers there might mean few return. There are many possibilities here. But if CCP ever plans to increase the amount of space in EVE, I think a lot of people would like to see them do something like this rather than just bolt more systems on to what we already have. Those that have no interest in "old space" woudn't have to go there. They could continue to play EVE just the way they are now. 1. Like it, a 5th race would be nice, though what types of weapons they would use that go outside of "the big 4" would be interesting. This would especially appeal to the EFT-warriors, Eve vets who are fully crosstrained, etc. 2. REALLY like this idea, but again, a single point of entry is a single point of failure. Just like Antihrist said, what's to stop someone from just camping the existing Eve Gate area and locking it down entirely. They'd need to make it so that that scannable wormholes could also lead back to "Terran Space." 3. This sounds a bit Stargate Universeish, as logistically that would just suck to be scattered about every which way. 4. It would be much more interesting if it were Tahkmahl/Talocan/Yan Jung-based NPCs, though capital-ship Sleeper-AI NPCs would be a bit... meh.
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Ovella Originally by: Cydori Edited by: Cydori on 03/11/2010 16:59:40 Originally by: Lance Tyr I don't see why this would make any sense. We have enough lore and history in the current EVE galaxy to last a lifetime. The story isn't about where we came from anymore but where we're going. Yes, but EVE is also about meeting new people and killing them. It might be nice to see where our ancestors came from and then kill them. The whole thing sounds good to me. Only thing is: according to lore, they should have technology Jove can only dream of - good luck killing anything ;) Correct. The amarrian Empress once got a hold of a Terran weapon. It one-shot an entire supercap fleet, including a Ragnarok class titan.
BinaryIdiot Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:21:00 - [16] This sounds like a good way to introduce a large amount of new space, enemies, ships, items, etc. Sounds interesting to me but your idea of the new race seems...odd. I had thought all races descended from one race from the old space. If that's the case, maybe it can be an ancient race instead (Joven?).
Adst	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Adst on 03/11/2010 17:29:52 Now I'm gunna attempt to have a proper discussion about this and try to blank out the trolls that leaps upon these threads like lio... ah sod the simile; ya get the point. I love the sleepers and WH space, not because they offer lots of profit but because they offer a half decent story and interaction. They're a mystery that I would hope, one days gets either explained or elaborated on a bit in game. The whole factional disagreements and things while interesting the game play of those "story" aspects has always seemed rather crappy. Eve is a sandbox (a little limited in certain things but a sandbox none the less), and I think we all play Eve because we love that aspect. However, CCP, though doing a great job with Chronicles and the backdrop to the Universe, really hasn't seemed to have done anything "story" wise since the introduction of the Epic arcs; which don't feel very story like at all rather a string of missions with some nice standings at the end. Oh and until Incursion with the whole Sansha thing. I really hope there is a master plan at play here that links the elements of the Galaxy, sleepers, WHs, Sansha, the separation, that leads to one hell of an all mighty lovely plot twist or revelation. I love the plot to New Eden, the way people have used that to come up with specific ways to play the game, with the factional stuff (even if I find that a little tedious in its implementation) so it would be nice to add something else in for people to strive for. At the moment the emphasis seems to be on the larger Corps and alliances with the whole Sansha main reward as the BPC. So it would be nice if at one point they could add, maybe not something as elaborate as the OP suggest, but even a few items that Sleepers drop that are mere pieces of puzzle in a story; or something like that, which us non-huge-assed-look-at-me-I'm-in-null Alliance people can attempt. Edit: yay for crappy spellz skillz

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Vincent Athena	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:29:00 - [19] Edited by: Vincent Athena on 03/11/2010 17:36:21 One thing to note is the eve wormhole did not cross just space, but time. Do a "get info" on some stars, many are over 20 billion years old. Last I checked the universe was 13.7 billion years old. So We we are not just a few thousand years in the future, we are several billion years in the future. Earth and Sol are long dead. So if the eve wormhole were to re-open, would it still cross the same amount of time? Or would it re-open to an entirely different era? Ive often wondered if "sleepers" are what remains of the original terrain civilization, ancient machines sleeping, awaiting the return of their long dead masters.
Ovella	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Correct. The amarrian Empress once got a hold of a Terran weapon. It one-shot an entire supercap fleet, including a Ragnarok class titan. I hardly ever read the lore, but I think what you're talking about was Jove weapon that revesed ship shield so it destroys ship itself instead of incomming fire.

Evernigh	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Evernigh on 03/11/2010 17:53:19 Originally by: Ovella Originally by: Tyber Zaan Correct. The amarrian Empress once got a hold of a Terran weapon. It one-shot an entire supercap fleet, including a Ragnarok class titan. I hardly ever read the lore, but I think what you're talking about was Jove weapon that revesed ship shield so it destroys ship itself instead of incomming fire. It was actualy a terran weapon read the Emperian age. They found a peice of debris from a terran freighter if im not mistaken dont have the book to hand to check. Where the jove come into this is that the jove are currently cloaking 99% of all teran wreckage that is around the eve gate so that we cannot acess it. But you are correct on how it works which is why some think the sleepers dont have shields so their is a possible connection their between the two.
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.11.03 18:20:00 - [22] From what I remember from the Empyrean Age, Terran Technology was FAR advanced from what we have in EVE. So the only way to do this successfully would be to have the Terrans completely destroyed, either by sleepers or by internal strife. I say bring in the Jovians!
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.11.03 19:05:00 - [23] They are all dead. Nothing to see,move along.
shady trader	Posted - 2010.11.03 20:24:00 - [24] IF memory serves Earth was on something had tech 7 before the new Eden gate collapsed several thousand years ago in eve time. The Jove currently have tech 5 and they wiped the floor with the Amar empire, I believe it mentioned there frigates killing multiple cruisers. Have a look at the stats for a polaris frigate to see how powerful they are. With tech 7 earth frigates will be killing anything below a titan (out side our engagement range) with a single salvo, depending how well tanked the titan it may take as many as three salvos to destroy it. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions.
Rheige Bladewhisper	Posted - 2010.11.03 21:54:00 - [25] Originally by: shady trader IF memory serves Earth was on something had tech 7 before the new Eden gate collapsed several thousand years ago in eve time. The Jove currently have tech 5 and they wiped the floor with the Amar empire, I believe it mentioned there frigates killing multiple cruisers. Have a look at the stats for a polaris frigate to see how powerful they are. With tech 7 earth frigates will be killing anything below a titan (out side our engagement range) with a single salvo, depending how well tanked the titan it may take as many as three salvos to destroy it. This all assumes, of course, that the past several thousand years have actually been kind to the Terrans. And not that the reason that the wormhole was blocked was some horrid calamity on our side.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:02:00 - [26] well if this wasn't blatantly stolen from me as an idea, then I'll wear pants on my head. Nonetheless, I support this. I came up with this a while ago and thought it would be a cool expansion. If nothing else, it would elevate the Eve universe above the current existence of the same ****ing floating rocks everywhere you go
Fournone	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:21:00 - [27] Im my mind there are only 2 versions of the terrans beyond the eve gate. tech 30532850328 kind: They continue to advance technologically and survive intenceive warfare til peace finally comes. the 'dumber than eve' kind: Humanity has been pushed so far back from warefare, a repeat of what happened after the gate disconenction occures, only a few thousand year afterward, now we are the jovians to the terrans. I don't think humanity on the other side could possibly be wiped out. Humanity is a Cockroach (we did survive here pretty well), there will always be a handful of survivers.
cyndrogen	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:29:00 - [28] Oh man where do I begin... You want more ships and more races? Why, the ones we have now are far from being done or balanced, there is so much work to be done without the need for more complications with yet more new ships and more races. What would be the point of waiting for hours to travel through a gate, this I don't even understand how it adds ANY value to game play, it's like a time penalty for what exactly? NO Scattered? The idea is scattered and not well thought out. If the sleepers invaded thousands of years ago how did ANY people travel to new eden. Do us a favor write down your idea next time, read it back to yourself and think about what you wrote and see if it makes any sense, then go back and edit and revise. When you do this exercise 100 times post something the rest of us can be excited to read.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:32:00 - [29] No, although it would seem like a 'cool' idea realistically CCP has ** loads of 'stuff' they need to do and taking on a another 'huge' project isn't the best thing to do when there are hundreds of things they should be fixing/balancing. Then there are bugs and all the content they are 'iterating' on or are supposed to be 'iterating' on and then the stuff they will have to 'iterate' on like WIS/Incarna/Ambulation, DUST514 'link'. --Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.--**
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:55:00 - [30] Edited by: Selinate on 04/11/2010 00:58:31 Originally by: cyndrogen What would be the point of waiting for hours to travel through a gate, this I don't even understand how it adds ANY value to game play, it's like a time penalty for what exactly? NO Yes, and do us a favor. Next time you want to post such a nasty reply that does nothing for the conversation other than giving an obscure "I'm always right" argument, like "the races are still unbalanced, and you want to add another?" and pointing you out as an ass, don't post . Also, you almost talk about the above quoted like Eve isn't already cluster ****ed with random "time penalties".



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