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Matrix Massim	Posted - 2010.11.03 23:58:00 - [1] Probably topics on this that I haven't found but w/e Is its feeseable? probable? Recommended? If so, methods? Or when it would be effective? (EG: is it effective in fleet, and will it be an ineffective defense for a solo hot drop on my roaming gang/solo carrier etc?) unfortunately I do not have a super-carrier friend either on TQ or Sisi to test it out. so since I'm pretty sure people aren't totally daft and have probably tested this to hell and back I'm wondering if anyone would want to share their results.
iKill Giants Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:21:00 - [2] Killing Fighter-Bombers is as possible as killing any type of drone. While I've never personally seen it done, the speed at which they move as well as their size leads me to think that a cruiser with good tracking or an Assault Ship would do best. If they would be able to kill enough Fighter-Bombers to significantly decrease incoming DPS, or before the Supercarrier pilot recalled the drones, is a different matter. --------- People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:27:00 - [3] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 04/11/2010 00:32:20 If they're anything like fighters, it'll be epic lols. A few weeks back a corpmate and myself ended up in null at 0 on a WH facing down a tackled chimera in a cyno-jammed system, which was then joined by a Nyx. I'd never even seen one before, but in our non-cloaky, pure dps and buffer proteus we chewed through at least 6 fighters before they tired of recalling & losing them, and we jumped back with one of us in about 1/2 armour. Full tackle and blasters + medium drones chewed each one up in far less than a minute. IIRC a swarm of light drones were barely scratching the paint before they were given up on too. I don't believe carriers can carry many spare fighters, but can pack hundreds of smaller drones, I guess super-carriers are similar, though I think they can field up to 15 such cruiser-sized things, so it would take a bit of time/support but combined with the expected tweak to their effective dps vs sub-BS hulls, it should be doable and worth it, just forget about removing the mediums/heavies?
Matrix Massim	Posted - 2010.11.04 00:36:00 - [4] Okay so I see that if they could be killed it would be usefull and hilarious. both are good points Would fighters be able to kill them? and would web and/or Target Painter increase the effectiveness or would light/medium drones or small/medium guns or missiles be the best bet.
Mfume Apocal Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.04 01:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Matrix Massim Would fighters be able to kill them? Somewhat. Quote: and would web and/or Target Painter increase the effectiveness Webs and target painters work wonders.
Matrix Massim	Posted - 2010.11.04 04:13:00 - [6] Okay so what ive been told is that they have alot of HP. on the scale of a BC or BS? is this true? cause that seems like alot for something the size of a cruiser and as much DPS as a BS.
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.04 07:52:00 - [7] Edited by: Othran on 04/11/2010 07:54:15 Originally by: Matrix Massim Okay so what ive been told is that they have alot of HP. on the scale of a BC or BS? is this true? cause that seems like alot for something the size of a cruiser and as much DPS as a BS. You could try looking at their stats yourself Anyway a Malleus (Amarr FB) has a base of 4500 shield HP, 7500 armour HP, 8500 stucture. Drone Durability 5 will take that up to (approximately) 5625 shield, 9375 armour, 10625 structure. I tend to agree about the HP, given that the Malleus has a 125m sig and the Templar (Amarr Fighter) has a 100m sig (both take up 5000m3 in drone bay/cargo). Getting twice the HP seems a little excessive, but frankly there's a lot more broken stuff that needs fixing first.
SwissChris1	Posted - 2010.11.04 11:21:00 - [8] Edited by: SwissChris1 on 04/11/2010 11:26:48 Disclaimer: I have never flown or faced these Fighter bombers are basically crappy Cruiser hulls with (awful) BS-like weapons (I guess mini Citadel Torpedo to be exact...) -They are slow as hell (Malleus orbits @ 175m/s, same as heavies) -They are useless against smaller ships (1750 explosion radius, 60ms explosion velocity) -3000 volley with 15s ROF....lol (granted you will deploy many of these so focusing on a single fighter is kind of pointless) IMO FBs are more for PvStructure or PvBigSlowTarget...or if you got a bunch of TP and web tacklers. You should be able to kill these in any T3 or HAC, heck even a BC might be up to the task...I think your biggest problem will be facing the victim's entourage...these things don't roam alone.
Kai Yuen	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Kai Yuen on 04/11/2010 12:19:28 Killing fighters isn't really a tall order. Once engaged they're slow, easy to web, paint, and track. Bombers are similar with some catches. Bombers have more hit points. Bombers orbit and engage outside of smart bomb range, so those are useless. Carriers have a drone bay of around 80,000, which is enough for 10 fighters, 5 spares, and a couple hundred drones. Super carriers have a drone bay of over 200,000, which is enough for 2 sets of fighters or bombers and a couple thousand drones. Bare in mind, 1 set of fighters for a carrier is 10 fighters. 1 set for a super carrier is 20. They can field an equal amount of drones, or more if they're packing DCUs, which isn't unheard of. Killing the FBs is fine, but be prepared to be killing smaller drones for days. Super carriers are notoriously hard to kill for sub caps. They can only be tackled by bubbles or scripted bubble generators, they have massive EHP, and they're immune to all forms of EWAR. They can and will point you themselves and armor tanked super carriers pack webs and target painters. The only thing useful against a super carrier is another super carrier, or three or four.
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.04 12:23:00 - [10] Originally by: SwissChris1 Edited by: SwissChris1 on 04/11/2010 11:26:48 Fighter bombers are basically crappy Cruiser hulls Where are these crappy Cruiser hulls you speak of that have base armour of 7500? /me places wtb order FBs are only really viable for supercaps as you're only able to carry 20 in a carrier (Thanatos). Want better small ship killing then drop down the drone levels. Problem with that is that you throw a few FBs in and then a few fighters there is bugger all space left. If the supercaps are dropping FBs on small ships then I for one would like to know where these pilots are
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.11.04 13:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Othran Originally by: SwissChris1 Edited by: SwissChris1 on 04/11/2010 11:26:48 Fighter bombers are basically crappy Cruiser hulls Where are these crappy Cruiser hulls you speak of that have base armour of 7500? /me places wtb order FBs are only really viable for supercaps as you're only able to carry 20 in a carrier (Thanatos). Want better small ship killing then drop down the drone levels. Problem with that is that you throw a few FBs in and then a few fighters there is bugger all space left. If the supercaps are dropping FBs on small ships then I for one would like to know where these pilots are Guess you haven't heard of a Nyx insta-popping a BS with it's FBs. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.04 13:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Mutant Caldari Guess you haven't heard of a Nyx insta-popping a BS with it's FBs. Ummm BS class weapons vs BS != small ships Enjoy anyway
SwissChris1	Posted - 2010.11.04 14:47:00 - [13] Edited by: SwissChris1 on 04/11/2010 14:50:58 Originally by: Othran Where are these crappy Cruiser hulls you speak of that have base armour of 7500? /me places wtb order I fly +10k shield cruisers (~40k ehp) oh and they are all 4-5x faster too and I'm using the second slowest race Should I put up a sell order for a Caracal Navy Issue in your name? Originally by: Othran Ummm BS class weapons vs BS != small ships Enjoy anyway Exactly what I was thinking
SwissChris1	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:11:00 - [14] Edited by: SwissChris1 on 04/11/2010 15:15:52 Originally by: Mutant Caldari Guess you haven't heard of a Nyx insta-popping a BS with it's FBs. Alright so your post had me thinking...I fire up EFT and fit 25 Malleus (5x DCU possible??) and I get a volley of 187,500 (12,500 dps)- when I first saw this number I was like But then I started up my calculator and did the math...so against a battleship (450 sig) traveling at <60ms you will volley 48,214...that's a tankable alpha (unless your flying paper thin with XL-Booster). Against a cruiser (110 sig) not moving at all you will volley 11,786 - two gank battleships in highsec can do better than that so yeah basically anything < Battleship will just run circles around the FBs laughing and trolling away ..is my math correct? Tried to cross check with battleclinic and I think im terribly wrong...please help
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:33:00 - [15] Originally by: SwissChris1 I fly +10k shield cruisers (~40k ehp) oh and they are all 4-5x faster too and I'm using the second slowest race Should I put up a sell order for a Caracal Navy Issue in your name? Ummm - I said base armour of 7500 A Harbingers base armour is 5469 Anyway I'm just nitpicking cos I'm bored.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:37:00 - [16] Your average "to actually kill something instead of baiting" -BS usually has EHP around 100k-150k so taking 48K damage every 15s doesn't bode well for the said BS even in the case of getting hit against maximum resists. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Haseo Arashi	Posted - 2010.11.04 20:29:00 - [17] I'm Curious. How well do you think a flight (10) fighters would do in killing a single fighter bomber. web'd painted or otherwise?
Wrecker Red Signal Seven	Posted - 2010.11.04 21:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Haseo Arashi I'm Curious. How well do you think a flight (10) fighters would do in killing a single fighter bomber. web'd painted or otherwise? You would kill it then all it's friends would return the favor. ========== WRECKER RED GONNA WRECK YO HEAD

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