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Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.04 23:47:00 - [1] quick question: how does the loot that is in a wreck get spawned? is it just totaly random chance from the items posable to be salvaged from that type of wreck? or is there a time element involved somehow to only allow a certain amount of the good items compaired to metal scraps? I guess what im asking is, if 20 wrecks are salvaged in 1 min, will that be the same chances as if 1 wreck is salvaged in a diferent location every 2 hours? the obvious answers will be its all luck, but do we know if the formula is more complicated then the obvious?
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 05:11:00 - [2] maybe there is a anti-farming component to this, at least it seems so. no one knows?
Anne Alingus	Posted - 2010.11.05 05:48:00 - [3] It is straight random chance, based on the faction (which affects what kind of salvage you get - no armour stuff from Guristas for example), size of the wreck (amount of salvage). There is definitely a difficulty factor in there as well, as the elite versions of rats drop better salvage. This may be tied to bounty, I am not sure. Anyways there is no time component, or anti-farming code.
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 06:02:00 - [4] thanks for the info. I hope you are correct. I am not actually talking about rat wrecks, but it is most likely the same mechanic aplies. I have found today with a lot of experimentation, i can predict the drop as being premium loot for the 1st 3-4 wrecks in 10 min or so. After that it rapidly degrades in quality. If i waite 4 hours or so it returns to premium for the first several again. my sample group consists of aprox 100 wrecks so im thinking its not enough sample data.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.11.05 13:11:00 - [5] Sounds like a good experiment to try. However, skill level, equipment, implants, ship bonus, etc will all affect the amount and chance of salvage. I've gotten excellent salvage from the first wreck and also from the last wreck. Even after the wrecks are one hour old. Even up to the point when they start despawning.
Czeris Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:42:00 - [6] That is not true. None of those things affect the amount of salvage you get from a wreck, only the chance at successfully "opening" it on each cycle. There is no way to affect the amount or quality of salvage with skills.
Transient Drifter	Posted - 2010.11.05 15:50:00 - [7] so, i wonder, is the salvage loot of a particular wreck already decided when that mob spawns? dies? salvaged?
Rika Jones	Posted - 2010.11.05 17:51:00 - [8] Honestly, my belief is that each ship type (not class, mind you) is the determining factor, with a small percentage variance which is in part based on your skills. For example, I can absolutely count on netting 18-25 Armor Plates from the Blood Raider side of Worlds Collide every time I run it. I think this is mostly due to the fact that I see a set number of Corpus Archon, Corpus Prophet, etc. Battleships in the mission every time that I run it. As far as loot is concerned, it is my belief that each ship has the ability to drop any item from a fixed list of modules that would be reasonably fitted to that ship. Thus, Blood Raider Battleships only drop Large Laser Turrets and Missile Launchers, when a weapon is selected to drop. This is anectdotal, of course, but I've run a LOT of level 4 missions in EvE.
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 18:17:00 - [9] you guys are all missing the point and trying to answer a question I wasnt clear in asking. let me clear it up for you. when I self distruct my t2 ship and then go to salvage it. my experiance has been out of 100 tries that the 1st 3-4 tries net me a premium t2 salvage item. after the first 4 tries it rapidly degrades to only giving me metal scraps. if i wait 3-4 hours i get great results for the first 4 wrecks. If i switch to a differant salvaging toon, he gets great results in the first 4 wrecks. seems to me there is an anti-farming formula built in there somewhere. I just really want to know how long i need to wait between runs of how many? Or is the 100 t2 ships i just blew up not enough of a sample group? my results were very consistent.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:02:00 - [10] So all you players who have blown up 100+ T2 ships just to check what you get in salvage please help the Contessa out. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.

Redshift XIII Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Contessa Chaos you guys are all missing the point and trying to answer a question I wasnt clear in asking. let me clear it up for you. when I self distruct my t2 ship and then go to salvage it. my experiance has been out of 100 tries that the 1st 3-4 tries net me a premium t2 salvage item. after the first 4 tries it rapidly degrades to only giving me metal scraps. if i wait 3-4 hours i get great results for the first 4 wrecks. If i switch to a differant salvaging toon, he gets great results in the first 4 wrecks. seems to me there is an anti-farming formula built in there somewhere. I just really want to know how long i need to wait between runs of how many? Or is the 100 t2 ships i just blew up not enough of a sample group? my results were very consistent. Haven't you answered your own question then? Obviously no one here know's the "cooldown" time on getting good loot from salvage (i.e. a T2 ship for example), and obviously you're way ahead of what most of use know about this proposed anti-farm algorithm. Seems to me that you're the logical candidate to get empirical data and blow the story wide open! You'll be so e-famous!! I must admit, this is a very interesting post
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:05:00 - [12] lol, sarchasm not necessary. if you cared to do a little research you would notice the double returns on your investment. even with 62 misses and 38 hits, lol
Redshift XIII Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Contessa Chaos lol, sarchasm not necessary. It was only half-sarcasm (this IS potentially a big deal to the community - if it's true) Originally by: Contessa Chaos if you cared to do a little research you would notice the double returns on your investment. even with 62 misses and 38 hits, lol ...and i have no idea what this is referring to
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:17:00 - [14] well, i can't spell it out completely for you now can i? but I just really can't believe im the only one to have noticed this.
Redshift XIII Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Contessa Chaos well, i can't spell it out completely for you now can i? but I just really can't believe im the only one to have noticed this. I've had 3 exams this week and classes all morning today... my brain is 100% fried. I can't keep up with the witty banter and subtle secrets... so I'll now gracefully bow out and go farm sleepers while staring at the screen with perhaps a little drool running out of my mouth.
Contessa Chaos	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:48:00 - [16] fair nuff, check your mail in game on your redshift character for further details. anyone else who wants to help me figure this out can send me a mail as well. I dont really want to get into all the details on public forum.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.11.06 09:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Czeris That is not true. None of those things affect the amount of salvage you get from a wreck, only the chance at successfully "opening" it on each cycle. There is no way to affect the amount or quality of salvage with skills. Chance = Amount So, a player who has level 3 salvaging skill with Tech 1 Salvager, no implant or rig fitted will definitely get way less salvage and take way longer to get salvage compared to a player with lv 5 salvaging, Tech 2 equipment with salvage implant and rig.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.06 10:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Tippia on 06/11/2010 10:34:11 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Chance = Amount So, a player who has level 3 salvaging skill with Tech 1 Salvager, no implant or rig fitted will definitely get way less salvage and take way longer to get salvage compared to a player with lv 5 salvaging, Tech 2 equipment with salvage implant and rig. Do you have any data that supports this, specifically the "less" and "amount" parts? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Doddy Aliastra	Posted - 2010.11.07 00:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 06/11/2010 10:34:11 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Chance = Amount So, a player who has level 3 salvaging skill with Tech 1 Salvager, no implant or rig fitted will definitely get way less salvage and take way longer to get salvage compared to a player with lv 5 salvaging, Tech 2 equipment with salvage implant and rig. Do you have any data that supports this, specifically the "less" and "amount" parts? if he does then the devs have been lieing since salvage was introduced ...
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.07 04:57:00 - [20] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Chance = Amount Nope, chance = chance, no skills affect the amount of salvage.

DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.11.07 07:17:00 - [21] My God, you people are either just way too stubborn or just too blind to read between the lines. Instead of taking everything so literally, try to think outside of the box. I guess instead of doing that you'd rather just troll. If you have a higher chance to get salvage compared to another player, than you'll in fact get more salvage than that player. Plain and simple. WTF is so hard to understand about that?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.07 16:39:00 - [22] random just its.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.07 18:47:00 - [23] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson If you have a higher chance to get salvage compared to another player, than you'll in fact get more salvage than that player. Plain and simple. WTF is so hard to understand about that? No. You will get the same amount of salvage. It will just take more (or less) time. You say that with lower skills you'll get "way less salvage and take way longer to get salvage" which isn't true: you will get less salvage or it will take longer. One of the two, not both. In order for your statement to be correct, the salvage chance would have to directly affect the amount ù it doesn't. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.07 20:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 07/11/2010 20:28:23 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson My God, you people are either just way too stubborn or just too blind to read between the lines. Instead of taking everything so literally, try to think outside of the box. I guess instead of doing that you'd rather just troll. If you have a higher chance to get salvage compared to another player, than you'll in fact get more salvage than that player. Plain and simple. WTF is so hard to understand about that? lol nope, you will always get the salvage, it will just take more time to get it. Chance = Chance to get anything per cycle.
Flight Line	Posted - 2010.11.08 11:18:00 - [25] After years of salvaging, chance does equal chance. But know this, it is chance to successfully salvage the wreck, not to actually get anything from the wreck. Salvaging a wreck can return nothing. This is still considered a successful salvage by the game. So with a 50% chance to salvage, you would "open" [as mentioned before] the salvage part of the wreck 1/2 of the time. The actual salvage you get is based on a entirely different set of tables and is affected by the size of the ship, the faction of the ship and possibly its location. And all of this is irrelevant to the OP, I would be interested in your little experiment Contessa.
Sazuka Kirr Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.11.08 11:30:00 - [26] This is the most concise salvage database I'm aware of, but I don't think it's updated very regurlarly anymore: http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/?type=0&fid=0&filter=0&op=list
wizard87	Posted - 2010.11.08 12:23:00 - [27] Desperate to hear of someone exploding 100 cheap T2 ships just to see if the number of Intact Armour Plates works ou at worth more than the ships.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.11.08 13:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: DeMichael Crimson If you have a higher chance to get salvage compared to another player, than you'll in fact get more salvage than that player. Plain and simple. WTF is so hard to understand about that? No. You will get the same amount of salvage. It will just take more (or less) time. You say that with lower skills you'll get "way less salvage and take way longer to get salvage" which isn't true: you will get less salvage or it will take longer. One of the two, not both. In order for your statement to be correct, the salvage chance would have to directly affect the amount ù it doesn't. lol, if you're so correct then explain this. I and another player farmed Part 10 of level 3 'Kidnappers Strike' for a week. He had level 3 Salvaging skill and I had level 4. We both used 1 Salvager module each. The 1st day I did all of the Salvaging and the 2nd day he did it. I did it again on the 3rd day and the 4th day was him. Both time's that he did the Salvaging it took him longer and he received less Salvage compared to me. The last few days of the mission I ended up doing all the Salvaging due to that as well as a consensus by both of us.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.11.08 14:03:00 - [29] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson lol, if you're so correct then explain this. àand that's why I asked you for some data to back your statement up. I'm telling you what CCP claims happens. If you have a larger-n study showing this to be false, then by all means: go ahead and post it (and no, two instances each isn't enough). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.11.08 14:49:00 - [30] Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 08/11/2010 14:50:07 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson lol, if you're so correct then explain this. I and another player farmed Part 10 of level 3 'Kidnappers Strike' for a week. He had level 3 Salvaging skill and I had level 4. We both used 1 Salvager module each. The 1st day I did all of the Salvaging and the 2nd day he did it. I did it again on the 3rd day and the 4th day was him. Both time's that he did the Salvaging it took him longer and he received less Salvage compared to me. The last few days of the mission I ended up doing all the Salvaging due to that as well as a consensus by both of us. lol Learn what random means and apply that to your studies, all this shows is that the plex doesnt give the same salvage every day.



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