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Securitas Protector Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.11.05 05:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Securitas Protector on 05/11/2010 05:33:03 Angels are annoying to tank for. They do all sorts of damage, target paint you, and require that you do specific damage back. It's been tough for me to find a Sub-BS solution to soloing a sanctum. I would really appreciate any help on any fit, but specifically the Nighthawk. Here are my skills: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Securitas_Protector I am looking at the NH because A: I am on a bit of a budget B: Trainingwise I'm close C: My skills are suited to PVP but no Good-DPS/Easy tank ships come to mind VS angels So, here is the fit that I am thinking of. Criticism? Other ship ideas? Anyone happen to know about how much DPS an Angel Sanctum puts out? I've searched for it online but have been unable to find anything. This fit does 604 DPS and tanks 418/484 vs Angels according to EFT. [Nighthawk, Angel] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Domination Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Explosion Dampening Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x5 Thank you, sec
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.05 05:53:00 - [2] 2x Shield Power Relay II 3x Ballistic Control System II 2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Explosion Dampening Field II 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Tractor Beam 2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I 5x Hobgoblin II's /with your skills plus Command ship 4 you get a 387 Omni Tank, EFT the setup yourself. Hardeners to choice, you will get more effective DPS by adding a Target Painter in there as well. The best part is it is Tech 2 Cheap and there are no Cap Issues. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Securitas Protector Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.11.05 05:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Securitas Protector on 05/11/2010 05:59:13 Will that fit actually tank a Sanctum straight to the face? Even though it's cap-issue free 387 seems to me like less DPS than a sanctum does. Most annoyingly, many Sanctum-level BS do lots of EM damage. :( Also, if I fit a Pith B-Type Explosion Dampening field (apparently very cheap) and a Corpum A-Type nos (19.5k range, 25m) it's cap stable and fits fine with 513 dps tank.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.05 06:06:00 - [4] I am no expert on Sanctums so I do not know how much they put out, but I can push you to 649... Add another SPR II and up the rigs to Tech II, then remove a Heardener and add a Sheild Recharger. Take Sheild Operation to 5 for a good tank boost. Also any Recharge or Sheild Ammout Implants you have will help. Just a fit to think about. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Xina Tutor Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.11.05 06:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Xina Tutor on 05/11/2010 06:45:32 This is my suggestion. nighthawk works well as a passive tank. I use this for gurista santums (with a ballistic harderener) and it works fairly well. (actually very well for gurista sanctums). I know it's angels, but I also use a nh for angel missions and I think if you play with the hardeners you will get close enough. purger II rigs are a help too. [Nighthawk, testing2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II (maybe a ballistic) Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
El Liptonez	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:52:00 - [6] Hi Sec. Good to see you finally making an attempt at making isk. Btw you still owe me a Tempest. You shouldn't really have problems taking Sanctums in a Nighthawk, it's doable in a Drake already. Just use the passive fit like some already posted. If in doubt, fit a third SPR, or even another one... That puts you close to a plex tank. But seeing that you have minmatar cruiser 5, get a ****ing Sleipnir. That thing is the best thing (Machs and Carriers aside) to rat angels with, hands down.
l6ngus	Posted - 2010.11.05 10:19:00 - [7] I would siggest something like this: [Nighthawk, angel ratting] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II If you cant afford the T2 purgers then you might want to swap the 3rd bal con for a shield power relay. Think this mix of hardeners is optimal for angels, because they should do about 75% explosive damage and very little kinetic. (If you want to pimp your NH for some extra tank to use that 3rd bal con without t2 rigging it, you might want to look for some Pith A-type explosive hardeners, those should be like 40 mil and should give your tank a decent boost)
Sessym Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 12:47:00 - [8] Originally by: El Liptonez get a **ing Sleipnir. That thing is the best thing (Machs and Carriers aside) to rat angels with, hands down. I've seen both in action. Nighthawk is for lazy people. Either Sanctums hurt too much or you're killing so slowly, a lower grade anom would be better. Sleips on the other hand... I've no better word than ammo-w*e. Prepare your corp to be baking a lot of Fusion M. 0= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'So grab your guns.'
Lubomir Penev Sausages of Truth	Posted - 2010.11.05 14:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 05/11/2010 14:20:30 I've got a cheaper solution, the tank looks low but in practice your speed and size should make you evade most BS damage... You'd got to train HAM otoh... Rigs free, if you dedicate the ship to ratting cap/shield rigs the best likely, but a bit of a waste on a sacrilege... [Sacrilege, Angel Ratting] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Assault Missile 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M Warrior II x3
Sewer Urchin	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:41:00 - [10] First off, you should be able to tank sanctums in a lot lesser of a ship than a nighthawk. A drake should even be able to way overkill tank a sanctum. That being said, this Nighthawk fit will tank anything very well: Lows: 3 BCS 2SPR trade bcs for spr if you're overtanked and want more dmg. Meds: Two large shield extenders, 3 rat specific hardeners Highs: Heavy missiles Rigs: Core defense field purgers.
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.05 19:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Lubomir Penev lolfit
Lubomir Penev Sausages of Truth	Posted - 2010.11.05 21:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk Originally by: Lubomir Penev lolfit I can only bow before a so strong argumentation. From doing sanctums in an Ishtar you don't need much tank as long as you are moving, the sacrilege got the right resists against angels and unlike the nh choose its damage type. Only downside of the sac is the range involving moving between spawns If that's the shield tank that irks you well, one shield tank everything these days, especially in PvE. If you find a way to keep the 3 BCS and have enough tank in an armor tanked sac more power to you...
Leksi Bar'zuk	Posted - 2010.11.05 21:42:00 - [13] Edited by: Leksi Bar''zuk on 05/11/2010 21:44:23 Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk Originally by: Lubomir Penev lolfit If that's the shield tank that irks you well, one shield tank everything these days, especially in PvE. If you find a way to keep the 3 BCS and have enough tank in an armor tanked sac more power to you... You can shield tank whatever you like, and far be it from me to suggest that shield tanks on armor bonused ships is a terrible idea (I have a lot of shield gank brutix and hype experience that say otherwise and armor tanking angels is obviously a terrible idea), BUT that shield tank you have there is pants on head.
Lubomir Penev Sausages of Truth	Posted - 2010.11.06 00:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk You can shield tank whatever you like, and far be it from me to suggest that shield tanks on armor bonused ships is a terrible idea (I have a lot of shield gank brutix and hype experience that say otherwise and armor tanking angels is obviously a terrible idea), BUT that shield tank you have there is pants on head. That's about 300dps of angel damage, that with speed and a small sig should be more than enough, and you have some buffer should you be triple webbed and actually taking some BS guns fire...
Bibosikus Gallente The Wyld Hunt	Posted - 2010.11.06 16:24:00 - [15] Stop training for dps. It's all very well being able to fly all racial shiny T2 cruiser hulls but with 2 mill in core defence skills, you're just toast in the making, especially since you appear to want to do Sanctums hence 0.0 space. Buy all the shield/armour comp skills and get them all to 3 at least, for a start. That'll barely take 24 hours. Then fit a Sac with a twin MAR, eanm's and a DCU. That's a 450+ tank against angels with all resists in the right ratios.
Securitas Protector Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.11.06 22:26:00 - [16] Originally by: El Liptonez Hi Sec. Good to see you finally making an attempt at making isk. Btw you still owe me a Tempest. You shouldn't really have problems taking Sanctums in a Nighthawk, it's doable in a Drake already. Just use the passive fit like some already posted. If in doubt, fit a third SPR, or even another one... That puts you close to a plex tank. But seeing that you have minmatar cruiser 5, get a ****ing Sleipnir. That thing is the best thing (Machs and Carriers aside) to rat angels with, hands down. So for a Sleipnir: A: Would range be an issue? B: X-L SB or LSB? I would wanna go Domination for the cap usage I think. C: Afterburner to close range/Sigank or more tank? [Sleipnir, Angels] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Domination Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Domination Shield Boost Amplifier 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M Salvager I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Valkyrie II x3 Warrior II x2 Good?
Pascal Almaric The Solipsist Nation	Posted - 2010.11.06 22:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Securitas Protector So for a Sleipnir: A: Would range be an issue? B: X-L SB or LSB? I would wanna go Domination for the cap usage I think. C: Afterburner to close range/Sigank or more tank? A: Angels tend to throw themselves onto your short range guns, but range is handy at times. B: LSB is enough. C: AB is nice, for controlling range/traversal. Originally by: Securitas Protector [Sleipnir, Angels] Good? I suggest CCC rigs, I think you'll find getting a bit more sustained tank in return for less peak tank agreeable. I also suggest 5 Warriors for killing the web/scram frigates -- you aim to shoot them before they're under your guns, but insurance is nice. If you do this, and you ever get to compare it to a Maelstrom, post about it somewhere.
hammack unt	Posted - 2010.11.06 23:50:00 - [18] Your skill sheet suggests a Jack of all trades, Master of none. I'd suggest picking a race and specialising a little more before skilling across the board like you've done. All the core skills need some serious work. And pick a weapon system and stick with till it's maxed out.

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