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Kyoto Luyi
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:29:00 -
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(There are no tears in this thread - I apologise for those who are thirsting and suggest they lick one of the many other such posts in this forum) 
My son (yes, REALLY, not me!  ) returned to EvE recently and lost a ship last night to a looter in a deadspace mission (0.8 - no accel gate). I'm just trying to figure out what he did wrong (no - accepting a hisec mission does NOT count!) so I can educate him when he gets home later.
He says the guy flew in (scanned him out obv.) and looted stuff, flagging himself in the process. Then targetted my son, who had no drones out, and was ignored. Son continued with mission, killed all drones, then realised he was still being damaged and saw "'PlayerX' (no names here) hit you for XXX damage" type of message, saw the damage, so responded - and lost as he was scrammed and couldn't get away in a mission fit ship.
My best guess is that the looter jetted something out, flipping the loot can, and maybe Son opened that can after the looter was already flagged to him, otherwise Concord would have intervened. (If - as he claims - he didn't do a Han Solo...)*
Anything else I might be missing that could have flagged him back?
(If he wasn't flagged back I don't see any way the looter could have shot him without Concord interference, but I don't run missions much so I may be missing something here.)
*[For non Star Wars viewers - Han Shot First!  ]
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Sonkut
Minmatar
The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:37:00 -
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I would suggest he shot first whether he noticed or not. Check if he has "auto target back" turned on, as he may not of noticed if his ship auto targeted him and just engaged the guns. Otherwise your suggestion of him droping an item is in essence good in theory but it does tell you when your stealing from someone. Hey may have ignored the warning but one would hope he would have thought more about the random prompt he recieved.
I suggest he just shot him by accident. But hey, atleast he didn't loose anything cool like a fleet or pirate issue battle ship eh!
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Bernard Schuyler
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:42:00 -
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If he actually did NOT shoot first, either accidentally or via auto-lockback asmentioned above, then perhaps his drones were set to Aggressive? I have seen that happen where a wayward drone decides to take a shot at the flagged player.
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Kyoto Luyi
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:48:00 -
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I think he must have inadvertently shot the guy, too - but I'd just like to explore all possibilities before I tell him that 
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:52:00 -
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tell your son to talk to my CEO about 'ninja protection'
we can work out a deal
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OH GOD THE TESTING
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Kyoto Luyi
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
tell your son to talk to my CEO about 'ninja protection'
we can work out a deal
*chuckles* I'll just teach him how to play better - it'll be cheaper than your 'protection' system. 
I would, though, like to offer praise for the trouble you all go to in hisec to clean up all those nasty wrecks that we could accidentally fly into on our way to the bar.
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.11.08 15:57:00 -
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You're the best mom ever. But your son is probably a tard.
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Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.08 16:37:00 -
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The Auto-lock thing is the most likely candidate. Something lots of people are guilty of when flying without due care and attention, or just because they don't know it can be turned off - and to be fair it does make missions easier if you just select the next thing in that nice little queue displayed across the top of the screen that you've already target-locked, and hit "fire". Problem is, if your son had "auto-lock back" turned on, then by locking your son the ninja just added himself into that queue.
In the [ESC] menu, goto "General Settings" and look in the centre column. There is the option "Auto target back" then a scroll box with anything from 0 to 12 targets.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:04:00 -
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Sure he took damage or just see the message? Make sure the ninja didn't warp scram a can named "you". Been known to happen.
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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.11.08 17:28:00 -
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Auto-lock is my guess. Even if you have this disabled, trying not to lock a ninja that has turned red requires being very careful when you still have dozens of red NPC ships to kill. It happened to me last week. I had to be careful of what I locked when this ninja appeared in the mission and turned red.
I also suspect that AFK missioners get killed a lot by setting their drones to aggressive and walking away. Couldn't their drones attack the first ninja that turns red by flipping a can or something?
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RiskyFrisky
Under the Table Inc.
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.11.08 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: RiskyFrisky on 08/11/2010 20:25:44
Good to hear Ninjas are doing their job.
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kiritsubo
You're the best mom ever. But your son is probably a tard.
I LOL'ed hard.
To the OP: Consider having your son try Suddenly Ninjas. He might have fun!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
I LOL'ed hard.
To the OP: Consider having your son try Suddenly Ninjas. He might have fun!
Yeah trust this guy...
WAIT under NO circumstances trust him with ANYTHING in game!
I am serious don't, really it won't end well at all. Have you clicked that link in his sig, made me cringe a bit!
But yeah bein a Ninja is fun, maybe he should try it.
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Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys
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Posted - 2010.11.09 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
Originally by: Kiritsubo
You're the best mom ever. But your son is probably a tard.
I LOL'ed hard.
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2010.11.09 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tusen Takk on 09/11/2010 15:44:28
Originally by: Velocity Prime
Originally by: Paul Clavet
Originally by: Kiritsubo
You're the best mom ever. But your son is probably a tard.
I LOL'ed hard.
me2
i wish my mum played vidya games with me :(
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Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Sure he took damage or just see the message? Make sure the ninja didn't warp scram a can named "you". Been known to happen.
this. its a known trick and btw i remember reading something about it being rated as an exploit. not sure though.
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tore Smith
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Sure he took damage or just see the message? Make sure the ninja didn't warp scram a can named "you". Been known to happen.
this. its a known trick and btw i remember reading something about it being rated as an exploit. not sure though.
CCP: The logs show nothing.
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:43:00 -
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This thread is now apparently about me. Continue.
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:23:00 -
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hi paul how are you?
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Lamar Jackson
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tusen Takk
hi paul how are you?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiii Tusen
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lamar Jackson
Originally by: Tusen Takk
hi paul how are you?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiii Tusen
haaaiiiii baybay
how you been gir?! i miss yo face
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.09 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tusen Takk
Originally by: Lamar Jackson
Originally by: Tusen Takk
hi paul how are you?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiii Tusen
haaaiiiii baybay
how you been gir?! i miss yo face
This thread is now about Tusen and Lamar's Homosexual affair!
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Tusen Takk
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:12:00 -
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my toon may look like a male but has girly girl parts
nothing gay about that
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
This thread is now apparently about me. Continue.
Update your blog.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kiritsubo
Originally by: Paul Clavet
This thread is now apparently about me. Continue.
Update your blog.
And Specters while your at it, in fact update everyones, the EVE blogosphere is a little lacking.
(Blogosphere) This word makes me feel a little sick...
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Child Pork
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:30:00 -
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Dude...
Simply take a look at the relevant game log. Look in <My Documents>/Eve/logs/Gamelogs, find the log around the time of that fight (they're named YYYYMMDD_hhmmss.txt), and take a look.
You will see exactly who fired first.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:32:00 -
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.11.09 19:46:00 -
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Wow, Paul C posted, thought he was in pseudo-retirement. More MLYT blog posts good Sir.
OP, 9 times out of 10, we loot and get shot by the MR. No rocket science going on there and Occam's Razor would suggest that's exactly what happened. Occasionally, someone will loot from one of the cans that we throw out and then, at least for Suddenly Ninjas, it's a party. There is a very small chance that your boy looted from one of his own cans just at the same moment that the ninja was doing so. This is dicey and doesn't work all the time, but it does happen. Another possibility is that the ninja flipped the mission OBJ can and your son did not notice it as he was too busy fending off those pesky strain alvi warp-scramming frigs.
Ninja Extravaganza, Strategies for Ninja Salvagers
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.10 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kiritsubo
Originally by: Paul Clavet
This thread is now apparently about me. Continue.
Update your blog.
No problem! NEW GANK VIDEO HERE.
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Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Random Selection.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.10 08:01:00 -
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OP is a milf?
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