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Vossler Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:42:00 -
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So how did you do it?
I've been trying to get one of my RL buddies into EVE, he plays game in general and use to play WoW with me when it was still the original release, so he is accustomed to the general gist of an MMO. Although EVE is totally different. I've been telling him alot about the game, the sort of stuff that everyone loves to hear about and finds very interesting. I'm just wondering how I can hook him in in those 21 days of free play period.
No, I don't really care about the free month, far from it since money isn't an issue for my gaming hobbies. I just wanna try and get my buddy into this game, although I'd like to know what some of you guys think what we should do in game to get him really liking EVE.
Any ideas? Have you succesfully gotten a friend to get into EVE, who may have been aprehensive at first but ultimately started playing EVE for good? :)
Let me know.
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Tranka Verrane
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:56:00 -
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Well, if you really don't care about the free month, you could offer him a free 51 days instead? With no restrictions? It won't actually cost you anything to send him a Plex. |
Vossler Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.11.09 13:59:00 -
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Yes, but there is no point of that, if hes bored/doesn't like it by day 12.
I understand some people just won't like the game for what it is, thats fine, but I'm just trying to figure out a catalyst to set off what will really get him into the game. |
Luminos
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Posted - 2010.11.09 15:17:00 -
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Keep psyching your friend up with wonderful tales of what you can do in EvE.
While you're doing that, set up that account and play it; get all the learning skills up, build up a half decent nest egg, some basic skills in whatever it is your friend is interested in so that he can actually do some of those things without just hanging on your coattails. You want a toon ready so that he can hit the ground running.
Nothing kills enthusiasm in a 'free play trial' faster than finding out the entire trial will be dedicated to Eiditic Memory V, and mining Veldspar for your first set of PvP frigates.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.09 20:15:00 -
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EVE sounded really strange when my friend described it to me: a major PvP game with no level grinding.
Basically he kept telling me about his adventures.
One day he showed it to me on his laptop, and it looked interesting.
I really didn't start playing though until I got fed-up with WoW (Uldum raid content was a joke, multi-specs made my tanking role redundant, and we were constantly short of healers... the guild folded about a month after I left).
I played EVE for about an hour on a trial account, and then paid for a full year. I now have 4 accounts.
Trying EVE is the key, and especially DO NOT let a noob go it alone, unless they insist.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.09 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 09/11/2010 20:46:19 Let your friend make a character and leave it, level learning skills, support skills and some basic ship/weapon skills for him and invite him back in 6+ months?
Or if you're ISK rich buy a high SP character for him?
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.11.09 22:21:00 -
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Only ones that stuck were the ones who were independantly motivated, but generally I pointed them in the direction of cruiser/frigate pvp and let them figure the rest out. Only two of the six or seven I got started still play, but those two have been around for a few years now and I think they're just as addicted as I am.
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Zarutha
Amarr The Night Crew
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Posted - 2010.11.10 06:04:00 -
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The things that impress me most about Eve is that there is no bull**** XP bar. Your not motivated by what will net you the most XP, instead you log on and do whatever you want.
The fact it's all on one server is even more amazing. This truly is a game where your actions matter vs. amusement park mmos with a static world.
The skill system skills you up when not playing, which means I don't need to log on every day in fear that if I miss a day, my "guild" will be raiding content outside of my abilities. It works perfectly for people who travel, work, or have other RL issues.
Eve is a very adult MMO.
I usually tell people all this and let them deicde for themselves.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.10 06:39:00 -
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If you want someone to stay, let them create the account and do their own thing. Leave them alone and let them come to you with questions. Eve really isn't for everyone. If they're not cut out to play it, then handholding them is only going to prolong the inevitable. Handholding is also the quickest way to make them feel useless without older players around and turn it into a grindfest when it doesn't have to be one.
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Thaddeus Morheim
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Posted - 2010.11.10 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thaddeus Morheim on 10/11/2010 08:11:58 When I first found EVE I was sitting on Teamspeak with a friend, going through a list of demos on filefront to see if any were interesting at all. Stumbled across this one space game that was free roaming and all that, can't remember what it actually said in the description but I read it out aloud and it piqued our interests. So that got me and the first friend into it.
Managed to get a 3rd friend into it by showing him some mining and industry (he's into that sort of stuff in MMOs somehow), also by constantly talking about it all the time at school to the point of annoying people.
Got 2 more people to try the trial, however one of them really didn't get it (he shot someone and lost his Ibis, then bought a shuttle and started asking how he could do kill people in it and stuff). Other friend tried it and found it boring. Another friend downloaded the trial and found it boring.
Then got a 4th friend to start playing it because I told him we could start a mercenary corporation and do cheap low-key jobs for people which got him hooked and I was a bit more interested. It took him about a month to find out that you didn't have to be logged on for skills to train, because he was AFK for most of the time. He quit after a few months.
Then I quit due to boredom. Year after me the other 2 quit due to school/boredom. I now periodically resubscribe at least once a year to see what's changed and if I can rekindle my once love for this game. ________________ Lines are hot |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.10 08:17:00 -
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I told him I'd give him lots of isk, I didn't give him anything and he still plays.
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Beltze Sorgin
Minmatar L V B Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:24:00 -
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I got into EVE when I mentioned to an acquaintance that I'd had a trial on Star Wars Galaxies but didn't convert to a paying account as I found following a light around & standing there shooting at people who stood there & shot back at me all the time really boring. He said try EVE & after doing the tutorials & then my first real mish I converted to a paid account in 5 days.
I love how I can log on & think "Well today I'll do a bit of exploring & then perhaps a mish if the exploring doesn't come good and if the mish is not worth it I'll jump into a PvP frig & get a couple of alliance members to go into lowsec with me hunting people." Every day is different. No stupid XP & character classes. "All the strangers on trains look like they're going away again, on holiday (why didn't I?)." |
Cyprus Black
Caldari Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.11.10 12:23:00 -
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I keep bringing them in, they keep leaving due to training Learning skills first and getting completely bored.
I'll even warn them upfront: "Don't train Learning skills first. Leave them alone." Yet they discover what they do for their character and the logical line of thinking is to train them first.
They soon get bored and leave.
Not trying to throw EvE politics into the mix, but it truly and legitimately is the reason why all of my friends whom I've convinced to play end up quitting.
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Vossler Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:01:00 -
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Yes. Learning skills is truly the bane of EVE. Don't want to make this into another of those learning threads, but CCP if you read this - Do something about that. Seriously. Your sub base would probably increase by quite an amount, just due to the fact that alot of people with trial accounts aren't quitting when they find out they don't have to train a bunch of skills that force them to cease all sense of progression.
Anyway, yeah I've decided I'm just going to make a new character with him. Should make it more fun, both being the same level of skills, let him do the tuts, then go do the epic arc. Then see what we shall do form there. And yeah I won't even mention learning skills to him until he reaches the 1.2-1.3M mark maybe :)
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Luminos
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vossler Starstrider And yeah I won't even mention learning skills to him until he reaches the 1.2-1.3M mark maybe :)
I'm sure he'll appreciate both the doubling of the time it takes to get the Learning SP done, and the masking tape you put on his monitor to keep him from seeing the learning skills himself.
On the bright side, if you can get him out to 2M SP (without counting any learning skills), you should be set. I think by that point any particular path has opened up nicely for a new player.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.10 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Luminos On the bright side, if you can get him out to 2M SP (without counting any learning skills), you should be set. I think by that point any particular path has opened up nicely for a new player.
Funny though that the average player leaves after 7 months (QEN)? Or will that be 10 newbs after their intial few months and 1 bored vet so in fact hardly anyone actually leaves after 7 months (average Joe doen't exist)?
I think the learning skills exist to scare off new players so CCP doesn't have to buy new servers that can handle 100,000 number of players playing simultanousy.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 11/11/2010 01:25:29
Originally by: Vossler Starstrider Yes. Learning skills is truly the bane of EVE. Don't want to make this into another of those learning threads, but CCP if you read this - Do something about that. Seriously. Your sub base would probably increase by quite an amount, just due to the fact that alot of people with trial accounts aren't quitting when they find out they don't have to train a bunch of skills that force them to cease all sense of progression.
What really grinds my gears about them are the proponents of Learning skills. They claim that removing them "Removes a level of depth/choice/consequence from character development". Well no, no it doesn't.
-There's nothing deep about a character training Learning skills when EVERYONE trains them. It's not character development, only a hindrance to new players.
-There's not much of a choice to it when you offer someone candy or no candy. Of course they're going to choose the candy. Why wouldn't they? It's overall good.
-And what consequences? The only consequence to Learning skills is not having them trained means the rest of your skills train slower.
Drives me nuts that CCP hasn't removed this road block yet. __________________________________________________
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Liz Viscious
Caldari The Order of Fish and Chips
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Posted - 2010.11.11 01:49:00 -
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Newb who is still grinding learning skills here.
Yep, pure annoyance and yet invaluable payoff in the long run. I was intelligent enough to get a good spread of skills prior to taking on the advanced level skills that take 10+ days, but it's still a very soul-crushing thing to realize i'll not train anything relavent to a new ship/module/market advantage/science/etc. for another month and change trying to polish them off.
Having said that, i'm still pretty hooked on EVE so I don't think it'll run me off just yet. We'll see how I feel after this month is up, lol.
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Luminos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Or will that be 10 newbs after their intial few months and 1 bored vet so in fact hardly anyone actually leaves after 7 months (average Joe doen't exist)?
Yeah, take a walk by the "100,000,000 SP club" thread sometime for a look at a few of those bored vets skewing the average.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 07:08:00 -
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Heck, I tell my friends that Eve has "issues", especially for new players, and is not for the "I want it now" type gamer. I warn em up and down of the harshness, the scams, the learning curve, etc. (and yes, I explain that the harshness is also what makes the pvp more potent. You can loot your PLAYER enemy's corpse, and he can loot yours....)
But if any ever want in, I'll help them. Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Ipyr
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Posted - 2010.11.11 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot Heck, I tell my friends that Eve has "issues", especially for new players, and is not for the "I want it now" type gamer. I warn em up and down of the harshness, the scams, the learning curve, etc. (and yes, I explain that the harshness is also what makes the pvp more potent. You can loot your PLAYER enemy's corpse, and he can loot yours....)
But if any ever want in, I'll help them.
That's exactly what I do too!
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:22:00 -
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...just show them the movies. -----
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