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Fitz VonHeise Caldari Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:16:00 - [1] I know this will be hard to accomplish... but can someone give a short synopsis of what actually happened with PL that has caused all the forum posts recently? There are certain topics that we are not suppose to talk about... One three letter word starts with a "B" and end with a "N"... so don't go there. I don't read COAD each day and others probably don't as well and would not know what has happened. So if someone might give a quick summary of what lead up to the restricted word it would be appreciated.
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:37:00 - [2] Basically they got a bit emo jealous of the fact that TEST did a huge threadnought and were pretty desperate for attention. Not much more to it than that. Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels. - Adida Twitter:@genrlwindypops
crice Caldari Blackwater USA Inc. Random-Violence	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:55:00 - [3] PL is disbanding out of shame for dropping lone MoM's with too much super. Sham is quiting eve and giving me his stuff. I sell bridges. I suggest CCP add a PL idex to the forums. crice
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:57:00 - [4] Originally by: General Windypops Basically they got a bit emo jealous of the fact that TEST did a huge threadnought and were pretty desperate for attention. Not much more to it than that. We get enough attention from GM's and their alts, so I'm going to pass some of that to you Windy since you crave it so much. You have the alt bit covered, put in your GM app. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.11.09 22:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: General Windypops Basically they got a bit emo jealous of the fact that TEST did a huge threadnought and were pretty desperate for attention. Not much more to it than that. We get enough attention from GM's and their alts, so I'm going to pass some of that to you Windy since you crave it so much. You have the alt bit covered, put in your GM app. Who says I need an app? Both Stevie SG and I live in the UK and are both R/L females. Coincidence, no? Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels. - Adida Twitter:@genrlwindypops
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.09 23:01:00 - [6] Wow you really cant bottle this kind of chemistry I for one being a nobody would like to state that weeds this season has been **** due to the lack of Celia Hodes
Fitz VonHeise Caldari Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.09 23:40:00 - [7] Oooo***kaaa. So all those locked threads are about getting attention. Hummm.. So I can expect a lock here soon.
Disastro Caldari Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.10 12:39:00 - [8] After invading the NPC stations in venal several PL members expressed their shock and outrage at the low quality missions available at the stations there. Naturally CCP had to respond by banning them from the forums. Thats it in a nutshell. Good day sir!
Hinkledolph Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 12:42:00 - [9] Originally by: General Windypops words You were very quiet when we were in provi. Now that we are north, you are getting loud. Is the volume connected to distance somehow? FREE PL HEROES !!!
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 12:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise I know this will be hard to accomplish... but can someone give a short synopsis of what actually happened with PL that has caused all the forum posts recently? There are certain topics that we are not suppose to talk about... One three letter word starts with a "B" and end with a "N"... so don't go there. I don't read COAD each day and others probably don't as well and would not know what has happened. So if someone might give a quick summary of what lead up to the restricted word it would be appreciated. Our key logistics guy was banned, initially he was told it was for "selling ISK RMT", this changed to he "had hacked someones account and sent 20billion to himself in small increments", he asked them to check IPs of his and the victims account as he knew nothing of it so it became he was "banned for buying ISK". He then made the mistake of asking for it to be elevated for a senior GMs opinion. 5 weeks later he still hasn't heard from this guy, so he petitioned again to be transfered to a GM who isn't dead and got a reply in under 5 minutes saying that it would not be transfered. Some people in PL felt that waiting over a month to discover your fate was a little too much so started posting threads, it can't do any damage as he's permanently banned and the GM simply ignores the petition so nothing is lost. If he's guilty of something then you would have thought that a simple explanation of what hes done wouldn't take long to type up. tl;dr: you can get anyone banned by hacking a random persons account and sending the ISK to someone you don't like. CCP will then ban that person even if they don't know why they're banning him as the concept of framing someone hasn't occurred to them.

Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Fitz VonHeise I know this will be hard to accomplish... but can someone give a short synopsis of what actually happened with PL that has caused all the forum posts recently? There are certain topics that we are not suppose to talk about... One three letter word starts with a "B" and end with a "N"... so don't go there. I don't read COAD each day and others probably don't as well and would not know what has happened. So if someone might give a quick summary of what lead up to the restricted word it would be appreciated. Our key logistics guy was banned, initially he was told it was for "selling ISK RMT", this changed to he "had hacked someones account and sent 20billion to himself in small increments", he asked them to check IPs of his and the victims account as he knew nothing of it so it became he was "banned for buying ISK". He then made the mistake of asking for it to be elevated for a senior GMs opinion. 5 weeks later he still hasn't heard from this guy, so he petitioned again to be transfered to a GM who isn't dead and got a reply in under 5 minutes saying that it would not be transfered. Some people in PL felt that waiting over a month to discover your fate was a little too much so started posting threads, it can't do any damage as he's permanently banned and the GM simply ignores the petition so nothing is lost. If he's guilty of something then you would have thought that a simple explanation of what hes done wouldn't take long to type up. tl;dr: you can get anyone banned by hacking a random persons account and sending the ISK to someone you don't like. CCP will then ban that person even if they don't know why they're banning him as the concept of framing someone hasn't occurred to them. So where does the other banned guy come into this?
Halor Glaw Amarr Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:04:00 - [12] might be a good idea then for ccp to add a "accept" button when 'give money' command is issues. problem solved. on the other hand if those accusations r fabricated im sure they can find something else lol. as old a trick as mankind is. boo -1 ccp for lack of imagination IF pl is right and thats a big "if" :p
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 10/11/2010 13:18:18 Originally by: Halor Glaw might be a good idea then for ccp to add a "accept" button when 'give money' command is issues. problem solved. on the other hand if those accusations r fabricated im sure they can find something else lol. as old a trick as mankind is. boo -1 ccp for lack of imagination IF pl is right and thats a big "if" :p Truth is, he could be as guilty as sin. We can't read other peoples petitions afterall so can only go on what he reports back to us. Personally my gut inclination is to believe him as the sum is a drop in the ocean to him. As PLs key logistics guy he had pretty much direct access to the main wallet, if he wanted ISK he would have simply skimmed it which is easily done when the logistics guy. I don't think you can actually make this sh** up either, CCP changing their reason rings strangely true. I really can't see him saying the petitions being ignored if he'd actually had a reply either. I think it would be much better if petitions were public once closed as they are often used for propaganda and so on which doesn't actually do CCP any favours. eg, claiming a titan was reimbursed because of devbuddies etc... there's no way to be sure and CCP unfortunately do have a history of rogue devs, which at least makes such an outlandish claim potentially true. The other guy banned was Karttoon, I don't know much about this one other than he shot a bunch of CSAAs by offlining the tower first. CCP seem to be under the impression he shot them while the POS was still online for some unfathomable reason. Don't take that as gospel though as I wasn't really paying attention to that one so could easily be wrong about the details.
Lucas Quaan Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Kalle Demos So where does the other banned guy come into this? karttoon was banned for killing CSAAs in Delve, supposedly by using spies to offline/online towers. This is clearly beyond the realm of possibility and the only explanation has to be that he somehow exploited and shot them through the shields. More gloating/wild accusations can be found here. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1374005/page/1#1 Although no such exploit has been found and the other scenario is in fact far more likely, the logs show nothing and thus karttoon finds it difficult to log in these days. As with slackjawed, response time and/or relevance to petitions filed regarding the matter has left us less than satisfied. Seeing as PL is the greatest, most evil band of cheaters to ever grace the eve server, erring on the side of caution apparently means ban on sight. This is the price we pay for being awesome, it is not, however, an acceptable policy in the long run. By drawing attention to this obvious GM abuse from the use of so called "thread-naughts" we hope to get the rest of us banned in speedy fashion so everyone can go back to not caring again.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:29:00 - [15] Its worth adding of course for newer players that PL is the alliance ******** belonged to. ****** is still a name you are not allowed to say on the forums because he exposed dev collusion with players of BoB Alliance (now IT) to gain advantages over the other players. The devs responsible weren't sacked, the players involved with the cheating weren't banned though the guy who exposed it all, ********, was. As you can see by the forum filter, CCP would rather not talk about that.
morhe Minmatar Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:30:00 - [16] The thing is if there was any hard evidence to support the actions then I'm pretty sure that the cases would be closed and the outcomes known to the parties involved. The fact that people are still waiting for to hear does poin to there being no evidence. I think for the benefit of all involved (including CCP) this should be dealt with as a matter of urgency.
Shamis Orzoz Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:45:00 - [17] Yeah, apparently my top director didn't have enough access to isk even though I give him 30+' of billion a month, and thus had to resort to hacking other accounts to get some spare isk. :ccp:
Seth Rock Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 13:56:00 - [18] :cripes: ccp, you ban a guy who had access to unlimited amounts of isk
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.10 14:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Lucas Quaan http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1374005/page/1#1 How can anyone be against abortion, isnt that saying ************ is murder?
Kazaux Aux Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 15:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Yeah, apparently my top director didn't have enough access to isk even though I give him 30+' of billion a month, and thus had to resort to hacking other accounts to get some spare isk. :ccp: Quoted for Truth

Kyle Frost Caldari Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.11.10 16:23:00 - [21] I thought the new version of the sphere protects you from the big bad banhammer. No? I want my money back! ---------------------------- Let the gun do the talking !
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.10 17:17:00 - [22] Oh look another thread in where CCP **** over someone for IT alliance.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.11.10 17:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Sverige Pahis Oh look another thread in where CCP **** over someone for IT alliance. This is why you should cheat in the evenings, thats when nc devs are awake
Bobbechk Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 18:39:00 - [24] THIS IS NOW A FREE KARTTTOOON THREAD ps. also slack ________
zenthral staichon Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 19:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Sverige Pahis Oh look another thread in where CCP **** over someone for IT alliance. I really doubt anyone in IT had anything "to do with this" and it's not like we are in any way at odds with IT. In fact, we have a very solid relationship with them and respect and love each other as worthy adversaries in this great game of internet space honour. It's most likely just some GMs believing the hype about our alliance and just ignoring any sort of rational explanation or discourse and hoping it blows over. You know, because that corporate policy has worked out so great for them in the past.
lol internets Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 20:01:00 - [26] Signing in to say that I'm not banned nor have ever been banned
Kearl Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 20:15:00 - [27] Confirming that Slackjaw and myself deal in 10's of billions of Alliance isk for all our Deployments to buy everything from pos/fuel/logies/dics/hics/capitals/mods you name it. If he was after ISK he would be much better off to steal alliance assets which he very easily had access to. Heck if he wanted 20b he could have just asked for it. I think it has something to do with a Station Scam for 5b in which he was a middleman tho im not real clear on the details. Still makes me take a step back and wonder if this is worth it if CCP can ban and fail to respond in a reasonable amount of time. The PL is dissolving was just a Troll. Nothing better then ISD reporting misinformation as they usually do it on their own so might as well help out. Free Slackjawed we need help with logistics and I hate doing work.
Xpaulusx Caldari Intergalactic Syndicate Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.10 20:30:00 - [28] Just ****ed Test robed their sphere or haz it now.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.10 20:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Kearl Confirming that Slackjaw and myself deal in 10's of billions of Alliance isk for all our Deployments to buy everything from pos/fuel/logies/dics/hics/capitals/mods you name it. Now you've publicly revealed what you do, you should log on every single alt everyday and check the journal to see if someone is drip feeding you small increments of ISK in preperation for your impending removal from the game.
Calfis Amarr Forbidden Labs Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.11.10 20:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Kearl The PL is dissolving was just a Troll. Nothing better then ISD reporting misinformation as they usually do it on their own so might as well help out. And a most epic troll it was, +1 sir for clearing that up

Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 03:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Kyle Frost I thought the new version of the sphere protects you from the big bad banhammer. No? I want my money back! Slack isnt computer savvy enough to get his computer to stop rebooting randomly. Much less install and run our Sphere client. Basicly, he was barely able to get mumble to work on his computer. And CCP thinks this guy is a pro hackz0r that breaks into other peoples computer? EVE PIRATE BattleDB.com
RagingRelaxation Minmatar Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.11 04:33:00 - [32] A little bird told me that they were both banned after their family threatened to sue CCP if they did not cancel\ban their accounts. seems their family had a intervention due to excessive playing of eve and used legal council to "force" CCP to cancel both accounts. /thread

CCP Jericho Caldari C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 08:27:00 - [33] Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed.

Stygian Knight Minmatar Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 09:49:00 - [34] free Slackjaw free Karttoon
Lucas Quaan Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:06:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
capn gump Caldari ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:09:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. If the GMs actions weren't so incompetent or biased then discussion would not be needed
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 10:22:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. The logic of CCP deleting the posts that answered the OPs question while leaving the thread open even though we can't answer the OP as it would upset CCP, is pretty much the same logic they've been applying to the petitions for the guys who've been banned.
Darees Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:06:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. Discussion is about inaction.
Dlardrageth Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:32:00 - [39] Originally by: zenthral staichon Originally by: Sverige Pahis Oh look another thread in where CCP **** over someone for IT alliance. I really doubt anyone in IT had anything "to do with this" and it's not like we are in any way at odds with IT. In fact, we have a very solid relationship with them and respect and love each other as worthy adversaries in this great game of internet space honour. It's most likely just some GMs believing the hype about our alliance and just ignoring any sort of rational explanation or discourse and hoping it blows over. You know, because that corporate policy has worked out so great for them in the past. Gee, stop pretending it's not all "our fault" all over again, will you? Cannot have you messing with my tinfoil sales to the paranoid who think everything from lag to buggy game mechanics to running out of coffee in RL isn't all the fault of the evil that is IT/was Kenzoku/was BoB. Also confirming me and my dev buddies make billions of ISK by manipulating the EVE market for tinfoil equities...
Kyle Frost Caldari Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.11.11 11:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Stygian Knight free Slackjaw free Karttoon I can understand why you want your main logistics guy back, but why the **** would you want Karttoon back? What is that thing good for anyway? ---------------------------- Let the gun do the talking !

capn gump Caldari ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 12:37:00 - [41] Who else is going to fund our faction fit machs?
Elendar Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:23:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. We're not discussing GM action, we're discussing GM inaction after GM bias Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist
Fitz VonHeise Caldari Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 21:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Darees Discussion is about inaction. Look on posts 10-13.
Snot Shot Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.11 21:50:00 - [44] IÆm not surprised to read that CCP has started to crack down on the all cheating and exploiting PL has been doing for years now. RMT, account sharing, and game exploits (sphere) has always been what PL promotes so what comes around goes around I guess... Stop trying to ruing the game guys and just play it for cripes sakesà . Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!!
Rasta Rocketman Minmatar Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2010.11.11 22:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Snot Shot IÆm not surprised to read that CCP has started to crack down on the all cheating and exploiting PL has been doing for years now. RMT, account sharing, and game exploits (sphere) has always been what PL promotes so what comes around goes around I guess... Stop trying to ruing the game guys and just play it for cripes sakesà . caught red handed...PL has cornered the market on the account sharing EULA felony. _______________________________________________
Spinalonga Caldari Red Tiger Technology Target Zero.	Posted - 2010.11.11 22:44:00 - [46] Who says I need an app? Both Stevie SG and I live in the UK and are both R/L females. Coincidence, no? Pictures under the neck and above the stomach or all lies!
Ardiea Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 00:11:00 - [47] Losing my CAOD virginity to say: free slack and kartoon now may i never return to this ****hole.
MrDrugs IGotMoney Amarr Kaalakiota Enterprises	Posted - 2010.11.12 04:14:00 - [48] The real question is , was Kartoon in local or not ?
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.12 04:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Lucas Quaan Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Shut up peasents
HankMurphy Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 04:30:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. I bet you're a blast at parties.

Hinkledolph Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 06:47:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. Power abuse... FREE PL HEROES
fpshacker Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 07:06:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are allowed. fixed that for you
Rex Mundus Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:55:00 - [53] Originally by: CCP Jericho Discussion on GM's actions are not allowed. Inappropriate posts removed. The petition system seems to be broken, we're trying to make you aware of the problem but unfortunately the only avenue where it's allowed to be discussed is the dust gathering broken petition itself.
Kyle Frost Caldari Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:47:00 - [54] Edited by: Kyle Frost on 12/11/2010 16:53:13 It seems the slackjawed thing is indeed free now. Who would have thought... What is this ** btw? If you are gonna ban him - ban him. If not - leave him the ** alone. WTS spine. ---------------------------- Let the gun do the talking !
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2010.11.12 17:04:00 - [55] Actually; I'm curious, why _can't_ we discuss GM actions/reasons for banning players? If the reason is legitimate enough, and they broke the rules, shut the masses up quickly and just explain why. Hiding behind the EULA so strictly is only making you guys look more and more incompetent. We love everyone.
Cecile Eremitee Gallente Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 17:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Lucas Quaan Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! +1 dear sir, for quoting an evergreen in such an approriate matter : D
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.11.12 18:31:00 - [57] Latest Update: Slackjawed is freed. Karttoon hasn't received an update to his status yet, but we remain optimistic.
Allataria Caldari EdgeGamers Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2010.11.12 22:22:00 - [58] Have you tried cooling CCP's hot temper with a fresh island song?
jm24 Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.13 03:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Captain Thunk Latest Update: Slackjawed is freed. Karttoon hasn't received an update to his status yet, but we remain optimistic. Update: he is very gay. Ask him to goonp
Kittara Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.13 14:48:00 - [60] :deal with it:


CCP Spitfire Minmatar C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.13 14:57:00 - [61] It seems that the thread has run its course. Locking it now. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online



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