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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.11 05:59:00 -
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Proposal:
- That all Microtransactions use Plex Only
- That all items purchasable using Microtransactions be Destructable
- That all items purchasable using Microtransactions be Vanity only
- That CCP defines and publishes a set of descriptions and rules as to what can be or will be purchasable via Microtransactions prior to this payment systems inclusion ingame and that CCP strictly adheres to these rules as closely as is possible for ever more.
- That the CSM must be consulted before any new Microtransaction or Microtransactional mechanic is introduced to the game
- Before any Microtransaction or Microtransactional mechanic is introduced on the test and live server CCP releases the details and reasoning via the CSM to the playerbase to gather comments and suggestions before its release.
- That CCP actively monitors the effects of Microtransactions on the cost of PLEX and the market, and acts accordinly to ensure there are no adverse effects using all resources at their disposal
Microtransactions use Plex Only All mictrotransactions will use Plex only, and therefore be indirectly purchasable with isk.
Microtransactional Purchases are Destructable If someone buys something via microtransactions then that item must be able to be destroyed by other players.
Microtransactional Purchases are Vanity only Items directly purchased via microtransactions have no effect ingame other than looking cool. ie. You can buy a pink hat, buy a new paint job for your ship from a colour palette specific to its race, account services etc.
Defined rules for items than can be purchased via Microtransactions CCP defines and publishes a set of rules and descriptions for what items and the types of items that can be purchased via microtransactions and they will follow these rules as closely as is possible. Changes to this definition should be published before it is rewritten.
CCP notifies the CSM before the introduction of any new Microtransactions or Microtransactional Mechanic CCP will inform the CSM before they introduce anything new to do with Microtransactions and use them as a preliminary sounding board before this information is released to the playerbase.
Publish the intent to introduce New Microtransactions and Microtransactional Mechanics to the Playerbase CCP will publish details and reasoning behind new Microtransactions and mechanics relevant to them to the CSM to be passed onto the playerbase to get feedback and suggestions BEFORE they are implimented and released.
While I would not expect CCP to follow every item on here I believe that these few guidelines would help keep the playerbase happy and curb much of the fear surrounding this issue. Microtransactions are coming whether we want them or not and we need to make sure that they do not unduly break the game or our community.
Cerbus
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Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
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Posted - 2010.11.11 06:43:00 -
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while i doubt the feasability of the full slist, i like the spirit of it. supported.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.11 07:25:00 -
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once it goes in, the flood gats will open. CCP has a very very poor recrod of sticking to their word, especially when more revenue is concerned - so I think its better to try to stop the whole thing, and if that fails, then we know that any process of concession is also doomed. -----------
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Tather Demaleon
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Posted - 2010.11.11 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tather Demaleon on 11/11/2010 07:58:31
Originally by: Atius Tirawa once it goes in, the flood gats will open. CCP has a very very poor recrod of sticking to their word, especially when more revenue is concerned - so I think its better to try to stop the whole thing, and if that fails, then we know that any process of concession is also doomed.
CCP has already announced that they will be introducing microtransaction although not directly though the game or forums but through interviews on websites and to the CSM during the October summit - nor have they released exactly what microtransactions they will introduce. We have already got a few new services that can use PLEX although I doubt there is anyone that will complain about these as they have no real effect ingame except for the Power of 2 which is available to everyone anyway (Plex for portrait and character transfer).
The eurogamer article is inparticular an interesting read on page 3.
Originally by: T'amber Relevant Links:
For some reason I do not think CCP will find the results of the crowdsources and other assembly threads to be relevant and the gates opening look to be inevitable.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.11 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 11/11/2010 09:50:17 We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
this quote made me laugh, following the pack and doing what everyone else is doing may be good if you bruisness model is to maximize profit over teh course of a few years, but what has made eve such a great game is because they have historically defined the terms of evolution. This is a sad quote really, conformist.
and the devotd, loyal player base is exactly what is being thrown out with the bathwater here. I speak from expereince having seen a huge number of oldtimers leave over this MT stuff. Bad bugs and poor patches are one thing, MTs are another. -----------
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:35:00 -
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I'm not sure ALL your bullet points are realistic, however, supported in the spirit of CCP actually having a public policy with regard to MT in EVE...and to announce updates to that policy when it changes. When asked about details related to destructibility, tradability, etc. for vanity items, CCP indicated such decisions hadn't been made. I find it difficult to understand why they would go forward with such a controversial thing before ironing out the details so that they can communicate clearly with players about it and so that the community can understand the full impact of such things on the game.
With regard to PLEX only for MT items, that doesn't offer any granularity--it will force everything to be packaged in bundles valued at approximately one PLEX. In the world of vanity items in particular, this seems a bit inflexible and will force people to buy a bundle of items potentially consisting of 99% stuff they don't want just to get that one item they do want.
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee With regard to PLEX only for MT items, that doesn't offer any granularity--it will force everything to be packaged in bundles valued at approximately one PLEX. In the world of vanity items in particular, this seems a bit inflexible and will force people to buy a bundle of items potentially consisting of 99% stuff they don't want just to get that one item they do want.
It should imply that any new granular MT currency would be sourced solely from plex, to ensure that it can be also purchased with Isk via Plex, aswell as Plex via Real Money. I will reword it to suit.
-cerbus
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.11 22:15:00 -
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Microtransactions?
Bye Bye CCP.
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Double Dee
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.11.12 08:02:00 -
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**** no! if i use real money for a ship upgrade it better not be destructable much less scoopable. if i paid for it is mine. period.
also lol at you for telling ccp how to run their business. i like micro-transactions. it helps me gain an edge. if other players are not that serious about the game then so what. they didn't want that ship anyways.
/not supported
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.13 14:32:00 -
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No, just no. microtransactions are *mostly* nothing but bad.
However since I do look at both sides, the only thing that I can see that might be useable in microtransactions is stuff you can get in your quarters for WIS whenever we get that.
NONE of it should effect gameplay, especially the pew pew. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE:
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Ulthran Russ
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Posted - 2010.11.13 14:35:00 -
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If there are microtransactions for actual game related items like ships or ship fittings there is no point to playing, its stupid. It creates an uneven playing field and give advantages to people willing to spend 100 dollars a month on this game. No only that but inherentally the ships or items you would by buying would be better then anything normally avaliabul ingame making a game people already PAY FOR pointless to play because someone can send CCP 15 bucks for the Super-****-Destroyer ShipÖ.
In short don't do it....
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar Instapop Industries death from above..
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Posted - 2010.11.14 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Worgen Fratmon on 14/11/2010 01:43:31 I say a hearty NO! to any transactions used with PLEX (beyond account affecting ones).
If CCP wants microtransactions of any type (perferably only vanity, if at all) then let it be funded with ISK and used as an ISK sink (something we need).
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.14 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ulthran Russ NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally by: Worgen Fratmon I say a hearty NO! to any transactions used with PLEX (beyond account affecting ones)
This proposal is to cover the eventuality that they do introduce new MTs to the game, which going by their communication are guaranteed. This doesn't mean that I condone them but if they are coming we do not want to see them just make anything and everything purchasable through what ever new mechanics they introduce to allow MTs.
This proposal was written as a guide line that CCP should follow to ensure they don't do more damage than they already will when they introduce Microtransactions.
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.11.14 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Arnold Predator on 14/11/2010 14:02:15
Originally by: Double Dee **** no! if i use real money for a ship upgrade it better not be destructable much less scoopable. if i paid for it is mine. period.
also lol at you for telling ccp how to run their business. i like micro-transactions. it helps me gain an edge. if other players are not that serious about the game then so what. they didn't want that ship anyways.
/not supported
So let me get this straight. If you pay X number of plex (bought with real money) for a ship it should never be destructible... ?
If thatÆs how microtransations work I will be rofling till the cows come home. Drop $100 on a (insert bad ass ship/fitment here) and go hunt titans in my indestructible ship. Yea thatÆs a great game mechanic. ThatÆs like a duel were if one cowboy pays $x amount of money the other guy is given a gun that has blanks in it.
So what happens when me in my indestructible ship attempts to blow up your indestructible ship? I would like to know. Do we just sit there shooting till we run out of ammo? What are your thoughts on this?
You say that you want an edge over the other players. You also go on to say that the "other players are not that serious about the game." IÆm sure anyone that pays $15 a month for a game is serious about it. ThatÆs $180 a year for a game. What youÆre saying is that you want the ability to pay more then the other gamers to get an edge over them. Why would someone continue to play a game that they now have to spend hundreds or even thousands of real life currency to stay competitive? ThatÆs on top of the $15 monthly fee they/we all ready play.
You lol about how he is trying to tell ccp how to run there company. You need to step back and look at CCP as a company. Right now the only game CCP has out on the market is EVE online. If EVE online does not make them enough money to pay there bills CCP will fail as a company and close its doors. Who is paying CCP the money they need to keep making there bills every month, WE DO. As paying customers for eve online we are keeping CCP open. If CCP is thinking of rolling out a game mechanic in there only game that could potently make most of the player base quit said game I think he(we) has(have) every right as (a) paying customer(s) to suggest to CCP what he(we) thinks is a safe way of going about it. Kind of like letting CCP know that If you do it this way, we might not quit your game because of it.
If MT is implemented the way you want them to be I hope you will have fun flying in empty space. You wonÆt have much to shoot at after that update.
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Gerog
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gerog on 22/11/2010 23:56:42 +1 Supported. I never want to see the day where I come on the website and see
***SYSTEM-WIDE DAMAGE TITANS FOR 30 PLEX!!! GET THEM WHILE THEIR HOT!!****
Well that might not happen, but you get the gist. CCP will eventually do whatever they want, but this guideline is a compromise. If someone wants to spend RL $$ on hats, let them, but no game effecting products for sale. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. "Last Chance to See" - Douglas Adams |
Sporego
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:57:00 -
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I agree with you make it so people don't get a edge
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.11.23 00:01:00 -
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Supported out of common sense. I still maintain that "24 hour PLEX" would be a good idea if you're going to introduce microtransactions, by the way.
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Not T'amber
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Posted - 2010.12.07 07:19:00 -
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------- TeaDaze > Good plan DV, we need somebody to take over bad poasting from T'Amber ;) Not T'amber > /me raises hand
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.07 08:09:00 -
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This is completely useless because if CCP wants to go fully into micro-transactions and that is their decision then they will void any agreement they have made before. Do you think if CCP were in a bad financial position that they would choose bankruptcy over some silly forum promise they made a few years ago to players who don't play anymore? I'm sure CCP has read the report that says in 5 years virtual goods sales are projected to exceed $15B and to be like 85% of of total revenue. So my theoretical scenario is not so theoretical. There is a huge graveyard of video game companies that blindly followed the crazy whims of players instead of being the best business they can under their goal of creating a video game they like to play.
Your other fail assumptions are that the CSM are supposed to play an oversight role in CCP and that the CSM adequately represents the playerbase. Even the freshest noob knows that forum polls are useless and that the vast majority of the playerbase does not even know what the CSM is let alone vote on it.
Your last item doesn't really make sense at all, it is just technical mumbo-jumbo. CCP monitors the price of PLEX? Lol, are you very new to this game? You don't remember 90D GTCs for ~250m? Who are you to decide what PLEX should cost, where is your market data? You want CCP to care about each players individual financial situation and price PLEX accordingly or something?
Lastly, CCP clearly spelled out in a few paragraphs what their intentions are for microtransactions. The dev blog is here, I link it because I don't think you have read the entire thing. It explains everything. It was written well after all the whining and crying of the anti-microtransactions crowd. Note I am part of the anti-microtransactions crowd.
Dude, I'm against microtransactions too, but CCP have heard our objections and have responded the the playerbase in an appropriate fashion. I feel like this is a thread from 2 months ago. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Lastly, CCP clearly spelled out in a few paragraphs what their intentions are for microtransactions. The dev blog is here, I link it because I don't think you have read the entire thing. It explains everything. It was written well after all the whining and crying of the anti-microtransactions crowd. Note I am part of the anti-microtransactions crowd.
Dude, I'm against microtransactions too, but CCP have heard our objections and have responded the the playerbase in an appropriate fashion. I feel like this is a thread from 2 months ago.
I've read the blog and it seems that parts of the suggestions I made before this blog are already partially in harmony with what they've written. I do not see the problems with this post.
Originally by: "ccp" First, we've decided to shelve all the changes to neural remaps we had planned. We now have no plans to change things from the way they are currently on Tranquility. No PLEX for remaps, no ISK for remaps, nothing. All code has been reverted, no new code has been written. Nothing will change.
- That all items purchasable using Microtransactions be Vanity only
Tick.
Originally by: "CCP" Second, we wanted to explain our thinking a little more. Itæs always been the intent of CCP to continue diversifying EVE Online's business model and weæve been looking at various options to do so. This started with the introduction of PLEX, which was an innovative way for players to exchange in-game assets for subscription on a fully player driven marketplace. Since we introduced the PLEX item we've monitored its trading, price and velocity closely. It's now time for us to take the next evolutionary step.
- That CCP actively monitors the effects of Microtransactions on the cost of PLEX and the market, and acts accordinly to ensure there are no adverse effects using all resources at their disposal
Half tick.
Quote: Itæs clear that itæs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weæve come up with a strategy that weæve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community.
- That the CSM must be notified before any new Microtransaction or Microtransactional mechanic is introduced to the game (To avoid any more marketing nightmares, and "Oh, we didn't expect that!")
- Before any Microtransactional Item or Microtransactional Mechanic is introduced on the test and live server CCP releases the details and reasoning via the CSM to the playerbase to gather comments and suggestions before its release.
tick, tick.
Looks good to me.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:40:00 -
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As I said in the thread in my sig about this.. go for 12/24hr plex (get rid of the 30day plex) and I'll purchase the odd ship paint shop with it
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Tather Demaleon
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer As I said in the thread in my sig about this.. go for 12/24hr plex (get rid of the 30day plex) and I'll purchase the odd ship paint shop with it
Converting Plex to new currency would definately be required, but im not sure about reducing the plex time they've already messed with it alot.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:49:00 -
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Like Mynxee, I have some concerns and quibbles about some of the OP's suggestions.
However, as long as I am on the CSM, I am going to push for accountability and will do my best to ensure that CCP is under no illusions about the potential effects of their decisions regarding MT.
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.07 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: cerbus on 07/12/2010 18:13:15
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Like Mynxee, I have some concerns and quibbles about some of the OP's suggestions.
However, as long as I am on the CSM, I am going to push for accountability and will do my best to ensure that CCP is under no illusions about the potential effects of their decisions regarding MT.
Care to expand your quibbles and concerns so that we can see where you stand? I realise that there was a dev blog made after I made this post but its still relevant, and I've yet to edit it as there are partial successes which I've highlighted in the posts above for Vaal.
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