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Tatal Zmeu
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.11 10:51:00 -
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0 sec currently consists of three power blocks (the Northern Coalition (NC), IT Alliance (IT), and the Drone Russians (DR)), and several smaller randomly aligned or neutral entities.
At the moment, the NC is engaged in conflict with its eastern neighbour, the DR - supposedly for the "good fights". It appears as an outside observer that the fight is more or less matched as the NC has more numbers and the DR have more and angrier supercap pilots. I think we can all agree that whilst carebearing is alright as it provides us with fancy toys to blow stuff up with, the thing that's most thrilling is PVP. As such I'm happy that finally 2 power blocks are going at it and blowing stuff up, albeit restricted by the lag situation.
Unfortunately it seems that somehow the 2 powerblocks, NC and DR, have overlooked the developments of its rival, IT. As evidenced a few days ago when they got 20 titan pilots online almost instantly, they have come a far way from the pre-fountain invasion of having to beg members for donations to replace caps that got lost in some random fight. IT have never fought for their regions (PL retreated after the first capital engagement in y-2 which was entirely due to lag and no skill on IT's behalf, and goons retreated after their directors failed to pay their bills). Since then, there has been 1 half hearted attempt by IT at moving some ships north to kill some stuff, but that failed miserably and resulted in lots of laughs at their expense. Since then, the only challenge to IT's regions of Fountain, Delve and Querious, have been GK Inc. with some minor skirmishing and now NCDOT who just got outblobbed severely (10 supercarriers vs 20 titans and 30 supercarriers). In the meantime, IT are dropping stations all over their home and building titans/supercarriers like there's no tomorrow, and not actually fighting so having neither a lot of subcaps nor caps to reimburse. At the moment, IT have around 60 titans and continuing at this rate means they will have reached more than 100 in no time whatsoever.
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that the NC and DR aren't banding together to take out IT, who have shown time and again that they are more interested in carebearing than PVPing, and will soon be impossible to invade (not just because of lag, but because they'll have a response fleet able to 1-volley a few titans every 15 mins). If IT are allowed to carebear and build up their numbers at the rate they are doing currently, soon SirMolle's dream of "controlling all of your 0 sec" will come true. It won't even take skill, but merely a cyno to wipe out any opposing cap fleet. With a war chest amounting what must be several trillion now, they can afford to replace caps by the thousands and supercaps by the hundreds. Whilst one can argue that the NC have far more numbers atm than IT, this is only really a benefiting factor when it comes to generating lag to win the system by default. By the time CCP gets around to actually fixing lag (which we all can assume will be quite some time) however, this main method of defense will not be a viable counter to the supercap blob.
What I am trying to say is, NC, DR, stop fighting each other and focus on IT before it's too late to do something about it. Unlike the NC, you know SirMolle has a large enough ego to actually want to destroy all your toys and is only waiting for the right time. DR are happy with the few invasions they make of their neighbours, but who do you think is next once the NC is split up? You mock IT now as having no skill and often bad FCs (i.e. evidenced by NCDOT ganking their fleet 3-4 days ago), but when they achieve their goal of that incredible supercap fleet with a matching war chest, they won't need skill. They'll just need a cyno and win by default. What do you intend to do then, scratch your head and move to empire, or become pets/renters?
P.S.: I wanted to post with my main Ramingo but damn Concord rules...!
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.11 10:59:00 -
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0 sec is exactly the amount of time it took me to not read this ________
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Tatal Zmeu
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbechk 0 sec is exactly the amount of time it took me to not read this
And 1 is how many IT supercarriers/titans PL has ganked so far.
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:07:00 -
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I read this
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Andrejs L
Caldari INGEN Industries Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:10:00 -
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No u
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:34:00 -
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I read the OP up to the point where he claimed that we've overlooked the development of bob. Somehow the last 5+ years since they invaded fountain seem to disagree.
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Jones Bones
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:35:00 -
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Sigh, I read it.
TL:DR Poster thinks IT is going to take over all of 0.0 because no one is banding together to invade them.
This is not a repeat from 2004...2005...2006...GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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ScheenK
Gallente INGEN Industries Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: ScheenK on 11/11/2010 11:37:20 Edited by: ScheenK on 11/11/2010 11:36:52 everyone in this thread, is now dumber for having read this,u dont know w tf you are talking about, we award u no points, and god have mercy on your soul
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Naecuss
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:45:00 -
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It's called evolution.
Titan's, SCand Mom's are available to all, nothing is impossible.
Train the skills by the ships and die.. end off So what if IT, NC, INIT, DRF and many other Medium entities have many to boot.
Have you got one. I am going to start carrier skills and then get me a Nidhoggur then work my isk for the next big toy.
So don't worry about the next man worry about your own sitauation. I am "Riding high on Lucifer's Spokes just keep on rolling n rolling." |
Tatal Zmeu
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:51:00 -
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No, I wasn't saying everybody was ignoring IT.
My point was the NC and/or DR should invade IT, not each other. IT hasn't been invaded a single time since they took Fountain almost a year ago. In the whole time they've been building supercaps and dropping stations like crazy. Attacking them now could lead to juicy supercap kills whereas waiting longer will mean they won't stand a chance coalition vs coalition. Not to forget that atm Initiative are still sorting out their new space and diplo surrounding it, but months from now they're going to have a competent force to contribute to the IT block.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: aeoluse on 11/11/2010 11:57:39
Originally by: Tatal Zmeu ...IT have never fought for their regions...
At this point I realised this was a troll disguised as a real poster. Maybe before you post on a subject you need to do your research first and know Eve history. I am not saying that IT are the most powerful and bestest alliance in Eve (clearly that is INIT ) but they have a longer history than just the last year.
If you aren't trolling, then I have a question: would you rather travel all the way to Delve and Querious from the North and the East or have a good old scrap in your own back yard where logistics wouldn't be as much of a problem?
Originally by: Tatal Zmeu No, I wasn't saying everybody was ignoring IT.
My point was the NC and/or DR should invade IT, not each other. IT hasn't been invaded a single time since they took Fountain almost a year ago. In the whole time they've been building supercaps and dropping stations like crazy. Attacking them now could lead to juicy supercap kills whereas waiting longer will mean they won't stand a chance coalition vs coalition. Not to forget that atm Initiative are still sorting out their new space and diplo surrounding it, but months from now they're going to have a competent force to contribute to the IT block.
How long have you been playing? The NC are doing exactly the same thing as IT...making isk and building supers.
And yes we are not competent (just ask anyone, especially Stainwagon, RoL and -A-, they will give you an unbiased and accurate assessment of our ability) and we would not contribute anything to stopping an invasion by the saintly and righteous NC if they came attacked IT. Because removing one of the 3 major powerblocs would make Eve 0.0 a much more dynamic and interesting place to live.
I know this is a troll but a fun one.
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Tatal Zmeu
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: aeoluse
Originally by: Tatal Zmeu ...IT have never fought for their regions...
At this point I realised this was a troll disguised as a real poster. Maybe before you post on a subject you need to do your research first and know Eve history. I am not saying that IT are the most powerful and bestest alliance in Eve (clearly that is INIT ) but they have a longer history than just the last year.
You're clearly misinformed. IT has zero history pre-2010 Fountain invasion. I think everybody knows the story about BOB and its pseudo reincarnation IT, but fact is since reforming as IT they have not fought any significant battles nor had to defend their space. I know what I'm talking about, I was there when IT "won" Fountain and *****d on 3 of the 4 Titan KMs myself.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:08:00 -
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So your saying that even if the same corps/players reform into another alliance then that they become new players with no memory and experience? That they cannot draw on years of experience and history they have gained from a previous alliance with the same corps in it (and adding in new blood) and thus makes them weak?
So Goonswarn Federation is in the same boat? Since the previous incarnation left Delve and reformed under another name they have have not fought for their space. And NCdot (yes they lost some supers but ignoring that), their corps just happen to work well together and that has nothing to do with most of them being in a previous alliance together (Tri Mk 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc).
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Dlardrageth
Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:11:00 -
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As we all clearly know the 40-odd people in the 8th Order are the only people ever defending their space in this game...
On a further note... WTS tinfoil...
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth On a further note... WTS tinfoil...
Can I have some? Mine seems to have fallen off and got blown away in the wind in my house...
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Xybex
Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:28:00 -
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Check out dis fuggin hamster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf06WJQ4FnE.
It totally doesn't know what rubber is.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xybex Check out dis fuggin hamster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf06WJQ4FnE.
It totally doesn't know what rubber is.
I'd be worried dude, according to the OP because you haven't fought for your space yet, you should be removed because you might be building SMD (Ships of Mass Destruction), if you would like to speak to a counsellor or would just like to talk through your options. Please contact the OP and arrange for all your space to be given over to an alliance/coalition who has fought for their space and would not build SMD's, like the NC or the Drone Russians. I am sure this transaction will be done at minimal cost to yourselves and you might even be allowed to rent the space afterwards.
Nice vid as well. Doesn't the hamster look like its half ninja?!
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Vicious Cell
Amarr Rage Orbital Construction Associates Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:57:00 -
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OP, no single nullsec Alliance has ever controlled 100% of nullsec in all seven years of Eve history. Not even close to it. And no single Alliance ever will control the entire map. You're really too paranoid of IT or jealous or both. Anyways, no matter how many Titans an Alliance has, taking control of the entire nullsec map with just one Alliance is pretty much impossible, actually: literally impossible.
And yes, I'd like to invest into some of those tinfoil caps as well. I'm sure the OP will up the sales of them quite a bit. sigh.
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Tatal Zmeu
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: aeoluse So your saying that even if the same corps/players reform into another alliance then that they become new players with no memory and experience? That they cannot draw on years of experience and history they have gained from a previous alliance with the same corps in it (and adding in new blood) and thus makes them weak?
So Goonswarn Federation is in the same boat? Since the previous incarnation left Delve and reformed under another name they have have not fought for their space. And NCdot (yes they lost some supers but ignoring that), their corps just happen to work well together and that has nothing to do with most of them being in a previous alliance together (Tri Mk 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc).
Pretty decent job at trolling you're doing there. Do you know how many of the original BOB are now in IT? Are you telling me BOB, which had what, 1k players, somehow multiplied and cloned themselves into the 6000+ players they have now? Just because it's the same leadership team doesn't mean it's the same alliance. The players are as important to an alliance as is its leadership. Goonswarm Fed on the other hand consists largely of former Goonswarm members.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tatal Zmeu Pretty decent job at trolling you're doing there. Do you know how many of the original BOB are now in IT? Are you telling me BOB, which had what, 1k players, somehow multiplied and cloned themselves into the 6000+ players they have now? Just because it's the same leadership team doesn't mean it's the same alliance. The players are as important to an alliance as is its leadership. Goonswarm Fed on the other hand consists largely of former Goonswarm members.
Just to point out on your numbers, when BoB folded it had around 3000 members...Look here...I'm not saying that everyone is exactly the same (if you read I did say adding new blood), but there is probably a very large amount of the same people. There is also more in IT Alliance and less GBC members this time, that might account for a single large alliance.
Question back at you: how many of the people who make up NC are exactly the same as the the people who were in the NC say last year or 2 years ago? The NC has lots of new alliances in there with new corps (INIT used to be in the NC B-Team), so you are saying that just because an alliance changes some of its players it automatically gets worse? Just from the point of view of INIT, we have gained some excellent corps who have added immensely to the alliance, and are very much stronger for it (<3 SP0RE and FREEE). Also just within my corp we have had players leave and good new ones come.
Goonswarm Federation probably does have a lot of the same players but I bet my bottom dollar that they have lots of new ones as well, and a large number of the people in Goonswarm actually went to other alliances like TEST and (funnily) WIdot.
You say the members are as important as the leadership. We have seen recently (Atlas and -A-) what happened when your leadership goes afk or just leaves (-A- have rallied unlike Atlas though, which is a credit to their leadership for turning it around), leading an alliance is like herding cats (according to people who know these things, I don't but I have been told), they are great when they all go in the right direction and do things together but are selfish and lazy when they don't. So I would say that good leadership in Eve is more important that really good members. An excellent FC with 20 noobs will do more than 10 great individual pilots.
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Oli Robbo
Gallente Entity. Insidious.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 13:25:00 -
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no f[u]ck off, we don't want your blobby nubs ruining our fun.
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aeoluse
Gallente Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Oli Robbo Edited by: Oli Robbo on 11/11/2010 13:27:22 not even going to waste my time.
I usually wouldn't but its been a slow day...say hi to Bobba for me
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boliano
Caldari Reaction Theory Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.11.11 14:40:00 -
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I seriously have a headache now, Ok TATAL just show me on the stuffed clown where mr molle touched you.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: boliano I seriously have a headache now, Ok TATAL just show me on the stuffed clown where mr molle touched you.
He got booted for being crap and very annoying...look's like he hasn't learnt his lesson...
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:41:00 -
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So let me get this straight:
DRF is the largest powerbloc the NC have to deal with
The NC is the largest powerbloc the DRF have to deal with
They're right next door to each other and had just finished fighting over Geminate.
But both of them should worry more about a considerably smaller powerbloc that isn't involved in fighting with either of them, and is busy with a war of its own, and isn't close to either of them?
You speak as if 20 Titans was an unbelievable number. But I saw the NC field 15+ Titans vs a subcap fleet back in MAX2. I hardly think they have fewer now than they did then. And the DRF have done nothing but crap out caps and supercaps for 3 years - that's all the drone regions are good for.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
moranno
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tatal Zmeu ...stuff....
On a serious note, WOT servers are down for 8 hours today. 8 hours!! New patch day and all, u know..just sayin`
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:23:00 -
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@OP - DonÆt make me come over there and beat you senseless with my old posts about ôGoonturds being the Cancer of EVEö and ôPlaytex Legion is killing the gameö rants!! I personally positioned both those Alliances to fail cascade with my propaganda and IÆll do it again to your Alliance if I have toàà.
Fly safe everyone.. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:59:00 -
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Did we touch you in your special place little NC. alt? Oh yea, we did. Quick, to the forums.
The truth will set you free
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Funky Feeling
Caldari Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:04:00 -
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Oh Come on.. IT is alive and well solely because we in Br1ck hate the Russians more. When Sir Molle starts quoting the Tzar.. he better watch out.
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Hyveres
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.11 17:40:00 -
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And nobody ever stops to consider how many of those 6k chars that are cynoalts
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
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