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Beastwick	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:03:00 - [1] So I've just started playing a few weeks ago through the 14 day trial. Got hooked before my 14 days were up and decided to sub. For whatever reason I can't figure out, I'm finding mining to be what I want to do. I'm just confused on how I should go about starting on this path. I've already played through the training missions and my career agent. Moved onto the first Sisters quests; finished all of those and moved onto other agents, but i'm finding them all quite boring. If I don't want to do that, what else should I be doing? I've spent a considerable amount of time just mining, then reprocessing what I've got at the end of the day and putting it on the market. Still getting a feel for what everything is worth, but I think to start I've made a good amount of ISK. Is this the way to go, as I'm training my skills up to be able to fly a mining barge? I could easily find myself spending all my play time mining and transporting.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:38:00 - [2] ospray-retriver-hulk in that order. join a corp if you can early. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!! Quote: "I love Australia! Our spiders have health bars.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:45:00 - [3] There's a fairly nice guide written. I don't have the link handy, but I'm sure someone will be by soon to drop it.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2010.11.11 17:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan There's a fairly nice guide written. I don't have the link handy, but I'm sure someone will be by soon to drop it. Linkage ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!! Quote: "I love Australia! Our spiders have health bars.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.11.11 18:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 18:04:18 Originally by: Beastwick For whatever reason I can't figure out, I'm finding mining to be what I want to do. My condolences. It's really one of the worst ways to make ISK, but if you really do enjoy it, there's not much anybody can say to convince you otherwise. If that's really what you want to do... http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide Just take note most of the ISK amounts listed are quite obsolete. You'll have to replace them all with current market prices. The end result is not pretty at all. EDIT: Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Linkage Oh, yeah, that's a newer version. Better get that instead. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Cyrus Doul Infinite Covenant	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw ospray-retriver-hulk in that order. join a corp if you can early. osprey - retriever - rokh - hulk. Unless they changed it the rokh will out do everything other then covetor, and if you are in a covetor you are 16 hours from hulk... And my definition of good amount of money is you can afford to buy what you want when you want.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2010.11.11 19:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Cyrus Doul Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw ospray-retriver-hulk in that order. join a corp if you can early. osprey - retriever - rokh - hulk. Unless they changed it the rokh will out do everything other then covetor, and if you are in a covetor you are 16 hours from hulk... And my definition of good amount of money is you can afford to buy what you want when you want. Rokh work if you dont mind loosing your arm after a week. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!! Quote: "I love Australia! Our spiders have health bars.
gfldex	Posted - 2010.11.11 20:22:00 - [8] Edited by: gfldex on 11/11/2010 20:22:50 Even if it's barely visible to a new player, EVE is a pvp game. Originally by: Beastwick I could easily find myself spending all my play time mining and transporting. You wont see me complaining about more prey.
Deen Wispa Gallente GHF Corperation	Posted - 2010.11.11 23:56:00 - [9] Mining solo is soooo boring. Any one here will tell you that mining is not the best career for money. But if you enjoy it, then I consider joining a corp with lots of miners. I have alot of miners (and always looking for more) and they know it's not the most isk/hour but they do it for the social aspect of it. I still mine with them just for fun as well. A good indy corp will give you perks such as perfect refinement and ORCA support so it's not so boring for you. Incidentally, one can mission, salvage the loot and reprocess the loot into minerals. On top of what you make from missioning and the reprocessing, you make more from mining. Some of my miners like to mission just for the heck of it. Originally by: Beastwick So I've just started playing a few weeks ago through the 14 day trial. Got hooked before my 14 days were up and decided to sub. For whatever reason I can't figure out, I'm finding mining to be what I want to do. I'm just confused on how I should go about starting on this path. I've already played through the training missions and my career agent. Moved onto the first Sisters quests; finished all of those and moved onto other agents, but i'm finding them all quite boring. If I don't want to do that, what else should I be doing? I've spent a considerable amount of time just mining, then reprocessing what I've got at the end of the day and putting it on the market. Still getting a feel for what everything is worth, but I think to start I've made a good amount of ISK. Is this the way to go, as I'm training my skills up to be able to fly a mining barge? I could easily find myself spending all my play time mining and transporting. ----------------- GHF- Looking for fun players in industry and PVP
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.11.12 04:24:00 - [10] 1) Mining is the best way to make money as a brand new person. It's simple, direct and requires little in the way of in game experience. You mine asteroids and sell the ore. Even with ore prices what they are ... given the progression of both careers - mining is still more profitable than mission running up to some where in Level III missions. 2) Personally - I despise getting told what to do by some snarky NPC Agent and find mission running more boring than mining. Mining IS a form of PVP. You are the prey. You need to look out for other players - or they will gank you for the fun of it. That makes it head and shoulders more interesting than mission running. I'm not saying that mission runners don't get ganked too ... but they don't hold a Raven-ageddon event ... 3) Team mining is where it's at. Think seriously about joining a mining corp or getting other accounts. Solo mining careers ... not a good idea. Lots and lots and lots of people cargo fit their Hulks and do mine and return - in effect being their own haulers - these are the people littering the kill boards of the Hulkageddon participants. But - they will reply - that cargo fitting their Hulks and then just buying a new one if they lose it - is financially practical. 4) The common path is: Rookie Ship > Bantam > Osprey > Retriever > Hulk. It doesn't matter what faction you are - all you have to do is train Caldari Frigate II (which takes a few minutes) and you've caught up with where you started with any other Faactions ships. It is actually MUCH more complicated than that but this is a simple version of a career path that will work. Note that somewhere in there you've trained some kind of a hauler to take your stuff to market. 5) Sell your raw ore until you have trained up some refining skills. Read Halada's Guide for more on that. 6) The way EVE works is ... you have all these little things that by themselves don't matter - but - when added together - really make a difference. Thus - all the little ore skills, your standings with the corporations where you refine your ore and sell your minerals - or make them into something - plus your trade skills like Accounting and Broker relations - when put together - make a real difference. Gain or lose a few percentage points here or there - and it does add up. 7) The industrial Cycle is: Mine > Refine > Manufacture > Transport > Trade Of which Trade is the only one that isn't optional. Trading is where the rubber meets the road. It is through trading that you turn your hard work into ISK. You don't have to do any of the rest. You can just be a trader - but if you do do any of the rest - then you have to Trade to turn it into money. So - look into your trading skills and understand the market. 8) If you are soloing - Get two destroyers, an industrial - and your miner. Fit one of the destroyers with five 150mm Rails, "Medium" Small Beam Lasers or 280mm Howitzers. Fit the other with 4 tractors and 4 salvagers. Run a mission. If it has rocks in it - don't turn it in. Complete everything and if there is a mission object secure it then go back to base, get in your salvager destroyer and salvage your wrecks. Then come get in your miner and mine into a jet can. This is relatively safe to do in mission space - as long as there are no level IV agents assigning missions to the system and ninja salvagers scanning them down. Look at your Directional Scanner, then warp about the system some noting the ship types you see. If you see lots of battleships in the system - or combat scanner probes - go somewhere else. Jet Cans and Wrecks last 2 hours. Name your can with the time it was created so you'll know when it will pop. If you want to throw off anyone who would be interested in an old can full of ore - then create a new one every however many minutes > 3. When you are done mining - bookmark the jet can - go turn in your mission - then warp to your bookmark and get your ore. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools

Jaak 242	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:21:00 - [11] Originally by: gfldex Edited by: gfldex on 11/11/2010 20:22:50 Even if it's barely visible to a new player, EVE is a pvp game. One of my favorite discussions involved all of the industrial players getting fed up with the PvPers and leaving the game. The general consensus was that the PvPers would soon follow when the got tired of playing bumper cars in their pods. If all the PvPers left though? I think that only CCP would notice, or care. Just my $318 (2 cents adjusted for inflation) worth.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.11.12 11:47:00 - [12] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 12/11/2010 11:48:30 Originally by: Jaak 242 Originally by: gfldex Edited by: gfldex on 11/11/2010 20:22:50 Even if it's barely visible to a new player, EVE is a pvp game. One of my favorite discussions involved all of the industrial players getting fed up with the PvPers and leaving the game. The general consensus was that the PvPers would soon follow when the got tired of playing bumper cars in their pods. If all the PvPers left though? I think that only CCP would notice, or care. Just my $318 (2 cents adjusted for inflation) worth. No. If all the industrialists and traders and everyone who doesn't PVP left the game - the PVP people would just keep killing each other - the way they do now. The really serious PVP goes on down in 0.0 and Low Sec - where there aren't that many care bears anyway. So they might not even notice. That discussion was just a bunch of silly care bears exaggerating their importance and ignores the fact that a lot of the PVP people have industrial alts. If they are thinking that the PVP people wouldn't have any ships - that wouldn't happen. Besides which - it just shows a lack of knowledge of the game to think that they'd be in their pods - since The Game - will furnish you with a free equipped rookie ship any time your pod docs at a station where you don't have a ship in your ships hangar. Repackaging that rookie ship will get you another free set of equipment when you assemble it again, letting you mount two rookie guns on your rookie ship. So - even if all the PVP people - quit playing their own industrial alts - they still wouldn't be in their pods. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Beastwick	Posted - 2010.11.12 14:09:00 - [13] thanks guys for all the responses Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk ... 1) yeah, this is what i'm finding. depending on how long i'm playing a night, in mining (golden/silvery) omber, i'm able to pull in close to what's worth under a million isk in Isogen. seems to be good enough for buying any random skill books i might need / any low blueprints i want to pick up. 3) i definitely want to do this; i just joined a corp so i'll be looking into doing some mining operations with them. sucks doing my own hauling, whatever ship i'm using is just so slow hahaha. 4) i know it can be quick to go caldari, but would it hurt all that much to stay within my race? i don't think the cargo capacity was THAT drastic between the top minmatar and caladri ships. especially if i end up doing mining with my corp, and i'm not the transporter. i imagine i'd want to aim for a barge in the long run, so since those are independent anyway... 5)i read that article briefly when i was first looking into mining stuff. i've gotten my skills up to mining 4, mining upgrades 4 and refining 4. i was thinking about getting the omber processing book if i end up solo mining for a while. waiting to train my spaceship command skills before i go for refining v. here's my profile - http://eveboard.com/pilot/Beastwick. i haven't done anything with attribute remapping or stuff like that yet, but will look into doing it soon if it's absolutely needed.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.11.12 15:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Beastwick thanks guys for all the responses Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk ... 1) yeah, this is what i'm finding. depending on how long i'm playing a night, in mining (golden/silvery) omber, i'm able to pull in close to what's worth under a million isk in Isogen. seems to be good enough for buying any random skill books i might need / any low blueprints i want to pick up. 3) i definitely want to do this; i just joined a corp so i'll be looking into doing some mining operations with them. sucks doing my own hauling, whatever ship i'm using is just so slow hahaha. 4) i know it can be quick to go caldari, but would it hurt all that much to stay within my race? i don't think the cargo capacity was THAT drastic between the top minmatar and caladri ships. especially if i end up doing mining with my corp, and i'm not the transporter. i imagine i'd want to aim for a barge in the long run, so since those are independent anyway... 5)i read that article briefly when i was first looking into mining stuff. i've gotten my skills up to mining 4, mining upgrades 4 and refining 4. i was thinking about getting the omber processing book if i end up solo mining for a while. waiting to train my spaceship command skills before i go for refining v. here's my profile - http://eveboard.com/pilot/Beastwick. i haven't done anything with attribute remapping or stuff like that yet, but will look into doing it soon if it's absolutely needed. 1) As i¦m in a good mood today, if mining in highsec, stop mining omber. Atm it¦s the most cheap selling ore beside veldspar. Depending the region you are in, mine kernite or plagioclase. Google out "BSAC stock excange", look at the tab "ore income". I¦m at work so i can¦t provide the link. Dont buy "random skillbooks", buy the ones you are aming for. 3) When doing "full scale mining" (maxed out hulk with orca support) you will find out that an industrial won¦t do the job for hauling ore or minerals, especialy for selling, you will want to have an orca or a freighter. 4) As other posters already told you, the proper way for mining is following the path osprey - retriever - hulk, there is no way around it as the osprey is the most efficient "early days" mining vessel. 5) For perfect refining in a 50% (highsec) station you will need refining 5, refinery efficiency 3 and (ore)processing 3, which is the quickest way for perfect refining. In gereral just let me tell you that mining (highsec) atm is not the best way to generate income. In highsec you will make around 5m/hour (hulk), a bit more (20%) with orca support. Note that doing missions L3 will make more. Of course if your goal is hardcore mining, you¦ll have to go Wormhole or 0.0 where you can make a fortune with mining, and not bothering losing a few hulks/month. Welcome to eve. Hope this helps.
gfldex	Posted - 2010.11.12 15:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Jaak 242 One of my favorite discussions involved all of the industrial players getting fed up with the PvPers and leaving the game. The general consensus was that the PvPers would soon follow when the got tired of playing bumper cars in their pods. All good PvPers that I personally met in game have carebear alts. In fact, there are very few PvPers that can live of that profession. I would really like to see all pure industrialists walk out of the door. That can only mean less competition and therefore higher profits. Originally by: Jaak 242 If all the PvPers left though? I think that only CCP would notice, or care. Just my $318 (2 cents adjusted for inflation) worth. And to whom would you sell Arazus and Pilgrims? Production without comsumption drives prices down real quick.
Beastwick	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:16:00 - [16] From this site, I see this chart: Name Income Change Arkonor 359.05 +2.72 Bistot 269.07 -5.97 Crokite 213.03 -6.12 Dark Ochre 143.93 +6.05 Hedbergite 136.46 -0.19 Hemorphite 129.79 -0.20 Jaspet 116.28 -1.02 Gneiss 109.27 -2.64 Kernite 103.10 +1.70 Spodumain 102.48 -0.72 Pyroxeres 95.38 -0.12 Plagioclase 87.42 -1.36 Scordite 69.46 +0.00 Omber 68.31 -0.57 Veldspar 65.77 +0.00 Income = the value of the refined minerals from 1m3 of the ore? Stupid me I never bothered putting up the lower minerals that I got from refining and have just been selling the higher priced minerals . I probably have them all piled up in my stations. I will probably just screw around in high sec until I get more involved with my corp, as I'm hoping I can do soon. Just trying to make sure I'm making the most of what time I do choose to spend mining.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.11.12 21:13:00 - [17] As to using your own factional ships ... The Burst Sucks. It has one low slot and no drone which limits it's mining to .9 and 1.0 systems. The Scythe though is not bad. It gets its bonus to it's mining lasers and has the same number (3) as the Osprey. The Osprey has more drones though. The Mammoth is a good industrial but takes Minmatar Indusrials IV to even get into one, though you can use some of the cheaper Minmatar Industrials until then if you like. For mining Frigates, the Bantam is slightly better than the Navitas as a mining frigate but they're pretty much the same. The Navitas is a marginally better combat ship - but that doesn't matter as you really should be in something else. The Tormentor has 3 low slots for expanded cargo holds but only one mid slot - so if you use your lows for cargo expanders - you have to choose between having something for a tank and an afterburner. You can use a Burst. I have used a Burst - but - it is easily the worst of the lot. Get into a Scythe as fast as you can. For the mining Cruisers, the Osprey is the best with bonuses to it's turrets, the Scythe is next because it is also bonused to it's turrets. The Vexor and Arbitrator are both bonused to their drones but the Vexor does have 4 turret hard points. The Arbitrator only has 2. Both are good combat drone boats - but with only two turret hard points - the Arbitrator just flat sucks as a miner. Of course - your real goal is to get away from faction specific ships and get into Retrievers. Covetors are a real option. They cost drastically less than Hulks and mine nearly as much - their biggest short coming when compared to Hulks is in their tank - which like the Retrievers and Procurer's is pitiful. Mostly your decision as to whether or not to skip Covetors - or possibly stop with them and not go on to Hulks - is how much money you have. The Hulks are undeniably better - but not proportionate to their cost. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.12 22:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/11/2010 22:33:33 There is no further to go in mining than the Hulk, which means you should plan for beyond that. I consider myself a miner/industrialist, but that doesn't mean I don't do PvE or PvP combat too. I mine because sometimes I enjoy it. However I do NOT make most of my ISK mining. The majority of my income comes from combat (missions and w-space) and trade (buy low, haul, sell high). My ship progression was: Bantam -> Kestrel -> Osprey -> Caracal -> Drake -> Retriever -> Hulk -> Raven -> Navy Raven -> Manticore -> Tengu -> Falcon/Rook. In between I also trained for Charon and Crane/Bustard. The combat ships allow you to do combat missions to gain standing to reduce your refining tax. Kestrel for level 1 missions, Caracal for level 2 missions, Drake for level 3 and even 4 missions, Raven for level 4 missions, Tengu for level 2 through 4 missions. Make sure to invest deeply into drone skills. They are a miners only defense! I like to PvP in a Stealth Bomber, or ECM boats like the Scorpion/Rook/Falcon. I am currently cross-training from Caldari to a Minmatar Typhoon (uses torpedos... like the Manticore).
Flesh Slurper	Posted - 2010.11.12 23:09:00 - [19] Although people are saying to go with other race's factional ships to start with, I wouldn't bother. You can be in a retriever so fast that its a waste of time/sp to train up another race unless you want to use that race for combat. I say stick with Minmatar, then go retriever, and use the retriever until you can use a Covetor/Hulk.
Devil tiger	Posted - 2010.11.13 09:17:00 - [20] the only way to get any serious ISK from mining is to find a grav. site at low sec or to join a WH/0.0 industrial corp and collect gass or mine arkonor, bistot and crocite I.E abc minerals or mercoxit. Ice mining works too. But in all honesty, there's so many bots running around and the prices are so low these days that I wouldn't bother with it. at 0.0 you will get around 20mill from half an hour sanctum grind and 10mill for two hours in mining.



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