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Johnathan Roark Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.11.21 17:44:00 - [31] Here are two of my characters, first one can fly amarr dreads perfectly and is a skill book or two from titans. Second one can fly rorquals (maxed), jump freighters. I think you may want to consider a BS level 5 modifier as well as a capital modifier. Skill Breakdown Combat: 85.91% (Price per mil: 232.38) PvP: 82.29% (Price per mil: 227.49) PvE: 3.62% (Price per mil: 121.08) Caldari: 13.27% (Price per mil: 166.89) Gallente: 16.91% (Price per mil: 170.17) Amarr: 49.33% (Price per mil: 199.40) Minmatar: 6.40% (Price per mil: 160.69) Industry: 14.09% (Price per mil: 142.62) Mining/Hauling: 11.11% (Price per mil: 132.56) Research/Manufacturing: 2.96% (Price per mil: 105.07) Trade: 0.02% (Price per mil: 95.15) Planetary Interaction: 0.00% (Price per mil: 95.08) Skill Details Basic Total Value: 91,608,474.00 SP19,348,535,154.23 ISK Base Skillbook Price: 1,462,288,530.00 ISK >70m SP Modifier: 3,121,623,552.63 ISK Level 5 Cruiser Modifier: 832,432,947.37 ISK Pirate Modifier: -416,216,473.68 ISK Total Value: 24,391,950,223.81 ISK My Alt Skill Breakdown Combat: 56.06% (Price per mil: 195.08) PvP: 52.73% (Price per mil: 189.29) PvE: 3.33% (Price per mil: 103.33) Caldari: 29.70% (Price per mil: 164.49) Gallente: 5.38% (Price per mil: 136.29) Amarr: 16.11% (Price per mil: 148.73) Minmatar: 4.88% (Price per mil: 135.71) Industry: 43.94% (Price per mil: 179.92) Mining/Hauling: 26.57% (Price per mil: 156.21) Research/Manufacturing: 16.30% (Price per mil: 142.19) Trade: 1.07% (Price per mil: 121.42) Planetary Interaction: 0.00% (Price per mil: 119.95) Skill Details ImplantValue Ocular Filter - Basic10,290,000.00 ISK Memory Augmentation - Basic10,470,000.00 ISK Neural Boost - Basic10,250,000.00 ISK Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic10,840,000.00 ISK Social Adaptation Chip - Basic9,750,000.00 ISK Basic Total Value: 85,072,692.00 SP16,209,573,499.06 ISK Base Skillbook Price: 2,059,739,178.00 ISK Implants: 51,600,000.00 ISK >70m SP Modifier: 2,009,624,394.48 ISK Level 5 Cruiser Modifier: 1,096,158,760.62 ISK Total Value: 21,547,273,295.83 ISK POS-Tracker 3.0 Hosting
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.21 17:56:00 - [32] You can click on the categories to see the skills which I put into that category. In the case of PVE, it's the skills which increase your LP value when doing missions and stuff like that. I'll have yet another look at capital skills and if and how I should deal with them, do be aware that at least the skillbooks alone add quite a bit of value already. In either case thank you both for more for me to crunch through XD --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Dragonaire Caldari Corax. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.11.21 19:31:00 - [33] I didn't know you could click on the titles to expand them. I would suggest maybe making it a bit more noticeable with as least some hover effects or an arrow next to them to let people know as the cursor change isn't really noticeable enough IMHO. Now that I've seen what you are including in PvE it makes more sense and you probably have it about right. My thought when it came to PvE was more about the skills needed in fighting the rats than the skills to improve standing, LP, and ISK on missions. Your system does make more sense when looked at those as needed skills for them. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.21 21:06:00 - [34] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 21/11/2010 21:06:42 Well, the problem is that certain skill sets don't really say that it's defenite PVE or defenite PVP... e.g. a Drake with Heavy missiles and a mean shield tank could be just as effective in PVE as in PVP (ok the actual fit would be a bit different, but you know) which is why drakes and missiles fall under the Caldari category - what you do with it doesn't really matter. And you're right, it's not really obvious right now though you do get the little hand if everything is ok... but I'll see if i can add some underlining or a color or something. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.11.21 22:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Gemberslaafje And you're right, it's not really obvious right now though you do get the little hand if everything is ok... but I'll see if i can add some underlining or a color or something. Just add a little "+" in front of group labels. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 11:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: Gemberslaafje And you're right, it's not really obvious right now though you do get the little hand if everything is ok... but I'll see if i can add some underlining or a color or something. Just add a little "+" in front of group labels. Added both a + and underlining when you go over it. It should be ample clear now :P --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Dragonaire Caldari Corax. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.11.22 15:22:00 - [37] Much better it is now clear what's going on. Just something I notice that might have been there before but thought I'd let you know. When you open up the skills the SP column is offset which would be okay but since the ISK column doesn't offset it looks funny. Also might not have the column titles be both bold and larger than the outer area titles as it makes it seem like it should be more important but it's really least important just more important than the data itself if that makes sense. A nice enhancement might be to add a total line so you don't loose that info when expanding an area. Anyway that's just a couple ideas I had and I did want to say I think you've made a very useful application that both buyers and sellers will find useful plus it's just cool to play with for everyone else too -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 15:25:00 - [38] Yeah I really wanted the skills part to be slightly smaller then the rest, but the HTML didn't want to co-operate so eventually I just kept it like this :P I'll have another look if I can't still do something like that, cause I see where you're coming from. Anyway, I'm not entirely sure where you'd want another total thing, didn't really understand that part of your reply, could you elaborate? Maybe photoshop something in if you're l33t like that :P Thanks :) --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 15:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 22/11/2010 15:47:18 There we go, Skills made a little smaller. Also added unique CharacterID's (I save them for the mugshot feature) It's a more reliable source of unique characters the tool has valued, but as I started only as I rolled the skin onto the tool it has missed a bunch of characters valued earlier. EDIT: And a little treat for ye who uses the tool In-Game: Skills are now linked to the ShowInfo in EVE, so you can click the link to get the ShowInfo on the skillbook. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Dragonaire Caldari Corax. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.11.22 16:21:00 - [40] Actually you do still have the total there up on the category line so never mind I was just thinking it was disappearing when you expand it Quote: Yeah I really wanted the skills part to be slightly smaller then the rest, but the HTML didn't want to co-operate so eventually I just kept it like this :P I'll have another look if I can't still do something like that, cause I see where you're coming from. I think you're running into the default minimum text size setting that most browsers have to keep anything from becoming to small to read. it probably looks fine to you but everything is smaller than normal text as best I can tell here. Something that might help is to look at the hierarchy of all your titles start from the top. To be correct according to W3C (people that came up with HTML, CSS, etc) There should be a single H1 title (page title) with one or more H2 titles under it with H3, H4, etc under that as needed depending on the complexity of the page. You also should never have H1, H3, H2 or H1, H4, H3, H2 as they should always be in order. With that in mind 'Introduction' and 'Things worth mentioning' should be promoted to same level as the character name and also centered. That would of course mean 'Skill Breakdown' and 'Skill Details' should also be promoted from the way the current layout looks which doesn't make sense really so the separation between them and the character name should be reduced and make the relationship between them and the character and each other clearer. Now don't get me wrong in thinking I think the current layout is really bad it just could be better One of the best books I've ever read on web design is "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug which points out why things like this are important and make for a easier to use and understand site. After reading it you'll never look at web sites the same again and any you make will be much improved. BTW sorry if this has been a little off topic from what you intended the thread to be about. -- Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for Eve API.
Crime Zero Mega Builders	Posted - 2010.11.22 17:09:00 - [41] Great utility! I like the ability to expand a category and get a breakdown of the skills included. The only suggestion I would make is to maybe add the current skill level to make it easier to read. Skills of different ranks have different SP totals and while it's easy to remember the values for the rank 1 and 2 skills, it can get confusing on higher ranks. If you could put the skill level in brackets after the skill name it wouldn't affect the column formats, eg. Advanced Weapon Upgrades (level 4) Anyways, great work! -Crime
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 19:09:00 - [42] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 22/11/2010 19:12:54 Thanks for that wall of text Dragonaire.. lol It's something to consider, but not something I really want to do at first :P Thanks Crime, that's a very good point, I'll do that next. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.22 23:06:00 - [43] Edited by: Gemberslaafje on 22/11/2010 23:06:11 Sorry, haven't worked on it anymore... Reason: http://roseburn.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=151 hehehe, there are a few things more important then coding <3 --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.23 15:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Crime Zero Great utility! I like the ability to expand a category and get a breakdown of the skills included. The only suggestion I would make is to maybe add the current skill level to make it easier to read. Skills of different ranks have different SP totals and while it's easy to remember the values for the rank 1 and 2 skills, it can get confusing on higher ranks. If you could put the skill level in brackets after the skill name it wouldn't affect the column formats, eg. Advanced Weapon Upgrades (level 4) Anyways, great work! -Crime Done :) Thanks for the suggestion! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.11.24 14:29:00 - [45] I need some advice. I've got code that can grab a sheet from EVEBoard and appraise the character that way. This would mean anyone can appraise anyone. From a purely legal standpoint this isn't much of a problem - you don't want to be appraised? just make sure your EVEBoard link is protected or hidden. However, I'm not sure how the general EVE population thinks about it. So I'd love to hear some thoughts about that. --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.
Del Girl Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Gemberslaafje I need some advice. I've got code that can grab a sheet from EVEBoard and appraise the character that way. This would mean anyone can appraise anyone. From a purely legal standpoint this isn't much of a problem - you don't want to be appraised? just make sure your EVEBoard link is protected or hidden. However, I'm not sure how the general EVE population thinks about it. So I'd love to hear some thoughts about that. It's on EveBoard so its public, therefore free in the public domain id say :) Del
Gemberslaafje Vivicide	Posted - 2010.12.01 09:30:00 - [47] Now includes EVE Board functionality! --- Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ Also a spy.

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