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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2005.01.09 17:42:00 -
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I run mostly kill missions for Caldari Navy. The second level missions, Gone beserk, Blockade, Unautorized Militairy pressence, Silence the informant, Sabotaged and Smuglers Interception (drug loot drops) being my favourites.
I now have the option to do lvl 3 missions, but I dont know what to expect.
Can I do level 3 missions in my caracal, without Arbalast stuff?
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.09 18:00:00 -
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hi i just started lvl 3 agent missions yesturday like you i tried using my caracal and i cudnt survive i had to resort to my scorp alot of the spawns have 7 cruisers in them some missions have 5 in the same spawn alon with a couple of senrties caracal cant deal with all that... if you find away your a better pilot than me :/
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2005.01.09 18:09:00 -
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Ah thnx that was the answer I was looking for. I dont think ill be doing those missions yet than ;)
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.09 18:18:00 -
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no probs they are fun and profitable to do if you have a bs, bc some peoplesay you can do them in mallers to but i cant fly those  good luck anyways 
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.01.09 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: JoeSomebody on 09/01/2005 18:32:49
I have never seen 5-7 cruisers in lvl3 missions in the same group. The most u can expect is 2-3 cruisers and bunch of frigs attacking you at the same time. Some deadspace missions got more, but no1 makes you fight them all at the same time.
One thing you should be careful about is interceptor rats with web devices and scramblers (mordus hh mission).
I can do most of those in moa/caracal. Yet if you have low skills, you should probably look into buying Ferox (you can get one for 27-30mil)
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.01.09 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dred 'Morte on 09/01/2005 18:37:44
Dont trust this last guy, im going to give you an example of what you can find on one mission
2x munnins (HAS Rupture)
3x vagabonds (HAS Stabber)
these 5 cruisers (HACs) were fast, were tough, and did MASSIVE damage, and had close/med range.
You dont want to do lvl 3 missions in anything smaller than BS, except Heavy Assault Ships such as Sacrilege.
Thank that to ccp's Exodus.
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Black 1
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:04:00 -
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I did LVL 3 missions in a maller. could do all apart from some Deadspace missions. The are alot easier in a BS but more fun in cruisers.... i know ppl who do them in assault frigs so they are doable. Just need to remember to warp out when u need to.
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:24:00 -
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I was doing level 3 kill missions in a Moa or Caracal without much trouble... although it also depends on what skills you have. I found that Battlecruisers were perfect for level 3 kill missions. Not too much, not too little... although it might seem like overkill on some missions. Now Battleships on the other hand are way overkill on level 3 missions, but to each his own I guess.
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Elixier
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Posted - 2005.01.09 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Elixier on 09/01/2005 19:41:34
The Ferox is capable of doing all the lvl3 Caldari navy agent missions.
Just run a shield tank and you will be able to do them without much problems at all. Although Blood rats are kind of tough, just keep your range for the cruisers.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Edited by: Dred 'Morte on 09/01/2005 18:37:44
Dont trust this last guy, im going to give you an example of what you can find on one mission
2x munnins (HAS Rupture)
3x vagabonds (HAS Stabber)
these 5 cruisers (HACs) were fast, were tough, and did MASSIVE damage, and had close/med range.
You dont want to do lvl 3 missions in anything smaller than BS, except Heavy Assault Ships such as Sacrilege.
Thank that to ccp's Exodus.
I have no idea where this example comin from, but i suspect that you have confused funky painting on some cruisers with HACs. Good example would be Mordu's cruisers - they got the same look (or at least very similar) as Caldari HAC's, yet they are usual cruisers... well maybe a bit stronger than normal, but nowhere close to HAC's.
The last, but not least: I've been doin lvll3 missions for quiet a while, and the only misssion i cant do in a caldari cruiser is Sansha's "Seek & destroy" only because it has 2 ceptors with web at warp-in point. So please do some research on the subject before callin some1 a lier.
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
Edited by: JoeSomebody on 09/01/2005 18:32:49
I have never seen 5-7 cruisers in lvl3 missions in the same group. The most u can expect is 2-3 cruisers and bunch of frigs attacking you at the same time. Some deadspace missions got more, but no1 makes you fight them all at the same time.
One thing you should be careful about is interceptor rats with web devices and scramblers (mordus hh mission).
I can do most of those in moa/caracal. Yet if you have low skills, you should probably look into buying Ferox (you can get one for 27-30mil)
the mordus missions you mention have 5 cruisers in the 2nd or 3rd wave on one of the mission with a bountyhunter (ceptor) or 2 with them
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:14:00 -
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a thng i would say is some wise big mouth guy namely the quoter above and the guy above my last post will find some master full way of constantly warping back in and out doing lvl 3 missions by which time you will lose your bonuses and take you all day just to improve your standing by .05 in an hour of killing rats i you want to get any where and with out nearlykilling your ship each time a bs or bc is adviseable
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:15:00 -
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5 cruisers in one wave on lvl3 mission? You r lier sir.
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:17:00 -
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i dont lie i have no reason to...
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: JoeSomebody on 09/01/2005 20:33:00
Originally by: DannyTheGreat
a thng i would say is some wise big mouth guy namely the quoter above and the guy above my last post will find some master full way of constantly warping back in and out doing lvl 3 missions by which time you will lose your bonuses and take you all day just to improve your standing by .05 in an hour of killing rats i you want to get any where and with out nearlykilling your ship each time a bs or bc is adviseable
oh yes, and you are newb whiner as well.
You _might_ need Ferox for _some_ deadspace missions. Yet 99% of them easily doable in moa/caracal. And yes, I always get bonus, and hardly ever warp out before killin everything.
Even the idea that you tellin me that thing I've been doin all day today and yesterday is impossible... well dude I dont know how to make it clearer for you 
And its not like I have uber sp either. Just stop trolling and read this forum for god sake... There are dosenz of threads on mission setups and tactics.
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Phoebe McCeres
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:41:00 -
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I've been doing level 3 kill missions for Sarum Family a LOT in my Prophecy and what I get most of the time is 2-3 cruisers with bounty around 50k or 1 big cruiser with bounty around 100k. Always with some frigates of course.
The missions I need to look out for are:
- Intercept the smugglers (or something like that). The mission requires you to intercept 4 Minmatar smuggle convoys that have pretty heavy escorts with stabbers, a rupture and interceptors.
- Pirate Extravaganza. I had this mission twice in the past few days. 5 level deadspace mission with tons of Cartel rats. I asked a corpmate in a Caracal to join me and it took us 2 and a half hours to finish the mission.
- Mercenary Assasination AKA the Mordus mission. Tough, but doable in a Prophecy. Warp in at long range and pick them off while they are closing on your position. Webbify the Bounty Hunter and kill him first. Switch to close range ammo when you get swarmed by the frigates (around 10km range). When you've finished the first wave, switch to 20km ammo to kill some cruisers. The final wave is 2 100k cruisers.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Gandry on 09/01/2005 22:45:56
I have some experience with lvl 3 missions and all are doable in a caracal if you know what to do.
Some you can even use a Kestrel.
Those using BS for lvl 3 are overkilling a bit.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:47:00 -
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BTW. With some I mean I have done enough missions to know what I am talking about.
Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying |
Bernard Normal
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Posted - 2005.01.09 22:57:00 -
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Pre-exodus all lv3 missions were doable easily in my mwd caracal - I did hundreds, possibly thousands for a wide range of Caldarian corporations.
With the advent of deadspace, slightly harder foes and some missions like unauthorized military presence I could still do lv3 missions in my caracal but I had to kite much further away and missions took much longer.
So the ferox became the ideal lv3 mission runner. You can fight fairly close and shield tank for long enough to get away with it.
There are other ships and options but I thought you'd be interested in my experience as I run lv3 missions almost constantly.
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The Jerusaleman
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Posted - 2005.01.09 23:59:00 -
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Hi
Just read this briefly, but I have done - doing Caldari Navy Security and Internal Security ones - with a Ferox - some are harder than others, but I do get the time bonus and collect all loot afterwards (warp back in using BM's and a MWD)
L3 are fun - good missions, much more fun than mining - which I was doing (and will do again I am sure -  )
Crusiers and scrambling are a regular part of these missions, but be careful, and know when to break contact and all will be fine
If I have missed the boat and this has no relevance at all - shoot me
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Cividari
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Posted - 2005.01.10 02:06:00 -
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Im doing missions in a rax and i dont have much problem killing the rats within the time limit, I used to do missions in a Caracal but kiting the rats got soooo boring, and the loot cans could be hundreds of km avey from each other.
All you need to do is check what rats you will be fighting and fit hardeners accordingly. A corp mate used to do lvl 3 missions in a AF (retribution I think) so you dont realy need a BS/HAS/BC to be able to do them.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.10 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte
You dont want to do lvl 3 missions in anything smaller than BS, except Heavy Assault Ships such as Sacrilege.
Ummm, I do all of my lvl3's in an assault frigate, no real problems. Lost one AF due to carelessness, but in general I find that AFs are much better than cruisers for lvl3s... and no, you don't need a BS :). As everything, depends on skills of course.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.01.10 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Dred 'Morte
You dont want to do lvl 3 missions in anything smaller than BS, except Heavy Assault Ships such as Sacrilege.
Ummm, I do all of my lvl3's in an assault frigate, no real problems. Lost one AF due to carelessness, but in general I find that AFs are much better than cruisers for lvl3s... and no, you don't need a BS :). As everything, depends on skills of course.
Agreed. i use my Retribution for lvl 3 misssions. The low sig raidus and high damage makes it pretty easy. Before exodus I did lvl 3 missions in my kestrel. I only use my apoc for the pirat extravaganza just to make sure I get the bonus in time but if the bonus is crap I use my AF for that one too.
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2005.01.10 07:51:00 -
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Hmmm, Sweet discussion :)
If I read this all correct than I should do the level 3 missions in a Caracal only if I shield tank the damage with hardners.
With my skills I am not yet able to do that so, I think ill go train myself a Raven first. thnx for the nice responses which give me an impression of what I will be facing next.
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Saerid
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Posted - 2005.01.10 09:26:00 -
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From a low skillpoint newbie point of view:
One thing to keep in mind is your skills vs the average repliers here (selective hearing is recommended when the advice begins with "I'm doing them with my heavy assault ship.." ;p).
In short: the lower SPs, the bigger ship to ensure success. Got a lil over 1M SPs myself (the basics, heavy emphasis on gunnery) and level 3s are doable in a prophecy, only ones giving trouble in a prophecy (keep in mind it's a good tank) are the Minmatar Rebels (Stabbers,Ruptures) and Mordus. If you armor tank: Active Hardeners are worth their weight in gold.
Doing them in an Apoc now, considering going back to Prophecy (Apoc moves with all the grace of a beached whale, gets really old in the bigger deadspace missions)
Just don't forget to adapt your weapons/equip loadout to knock out fast close orbiting frigates. Webber gets the job done already, missiles even better. Regular medium drones seem to be hard pressed to overcome the 30k isk tacklers (unless you got a whole bunch).
Rule of the thumb: size of the ship is inversely proportional to tactical thinking required. Don't want to bother your brain with figuring out how to kill this and that? Get a tanked battleship, firepower saves brainpower.
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Adromir Melg'arh
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Posted - 2005.01.10 12:06:00 -
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I'm doing all lvl3 mission from Caldari Navy with my trusted MOA whithout trouble now.
But not so long time ago, I must said that I get a lot of troubles, I loose many MOA's, I then decided to sit back and look at my skill, I decided to train my skills specially all gunnarys and all navigations one's and now every thing is ok
So, when you get a lot of troubles in a npc fight, first look at you skills and ask yourself if they don't need a boost
Adromir Melg'arh
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Greenwing
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Posted - 2005.01.10 12:19:00 -
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All lvl3 missions can be done in a MOA or Cracal if you've got the right skills (not necessarily SP's, but also how well you can fly your ship). I would recommend a larger ship (I prefer the Ferox), because you will finish missions quicker and with less risk.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.10 12:30:00 -
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Did a few lvl.3's in Caldari destroyer when they're introduced, trying to see what they're capable of... but in the end, you just spend too much time warping in/out and repairing to make it effective. The battlecruiser/heavy assault cruiser seem to be about the ideal choice for these -- they have enough edge to make up for rat numbers, meaning you don't waste much time doing the missions. ^^;
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DannyTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.01.11 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
Edited by: JoeSomebody on 09/01/2005 20:33:00
Originally by: DannyTheGreat
a thng i would say is some wise big mouth guy namely the quoter above and the guy above my last post will find some master full way of constantly warping back in and out doing lvl 3 missions by which time you will lose your bonuses and take you all day just to improve your standing by .05 in an hour of killing rats i you want to get any where and with out nearlykilling your ship each time a bs or bc is adviseable
oh yes, and you are newb whiner as well.
You _might_ need Ferox for _some_ deadspace missions. Yet 99% of them easily doable in moa/caracal. And yes, I always get bonus, and hardly ever warp out before killin everything.
Even the idea that you tellin me that thing I've been doin all day today and yesterday is impossible... well dude I dont know how to make it clearer for you
And its not like I have uber sp either. Just stop trolling and read this forum for god sake... There are dosenz of threads on mission setups and tactics.
newb whiner? lowblow! 
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Sickie
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Posted - 2005.01.11 18:35:00 -
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there wasnt a lvl 3 mission post-Exodus that i couldnt do in a maller. And my combat skills are not exactly the best...Use the right tactics and you should be fine.
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