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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:40:00 - [1] An imprisoned Amarrian doubts his faith as he undergoes awful tests of body and spirit. Darkness, though, holds not only terrors and suffering, but sometimes salvation as well. "King Slaver" is a new Chronicle written by CCP Abraxas. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us


CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:46:00 - [2] And with respect to recent discussions, let me just add for any who wonder: This story has a happy ending. So did Hona is Three, Rust Creeps and Burnt. We really are a gentle, lovable people, we devs.

Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.15 15:52:00 - [3] \o/ First /Reading Glasses. -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Borgh Brainbasher Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.15 16:10:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Abraxas ...We really are a gentle, lovable people, we devs. oh gods, eve is doomed.
Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.11.15 16:34:00 - [5] I liked it, but it was...odd Crazy doesn't even start to cover it
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.15 17:23:00 - [6] To see Amarrians suffer brings a smile to my face.
Shandir Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:10:00 - [7] Prisoner 47 - Hitman reference?
daqor Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.15 18:28:00 - [8] Quote: Freedom was an important concept, apparently. The Minmatar found it so important, the prisoner thought, they wanted to keep it all to themselves. That neatly sums up my view of how a lot of Minmatar, and for that matter Gallente, seem to act. Also: Good job to Abraxas on another great story, confusing though it was.
Rustpunk Ghost Festival	Posted - 2010.11.15 19:18:00 - [9] Minmatar grimdark. Excellent.
dtyk	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:40:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Abraxas And with respect to recent discussions, let me just add for any who wonder: This story has a happy ending. So did Hona is Three, Rust Creeps and Burnt. We really are a gentle, lovable people, we devs. The fact that you have to afterwards state that the ending was happy says something great about the stories:P

Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:49:00 - [11] Originally by: daqor Quote: Freedom was an important concept, apparently. The Minmatar found it so important, the prisoner thought, they wanted to keep it all to themselves. That neatly sums up my view of how a lot of Minmatar, and for that matter Gallente, seem to act. Also: Good job to Abraxas on another great story, confusing though it was. Exactely... Great Chronicle....
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:51:00 - [12] Delicious. Truly fantastic. I like how it echoes with modern day... there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. The parallel is fantastic. Abraxas: you are one kick-ass writer.
Mr Jebidea	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Delicious. Truly fantastic. I like how it echoes with modern day... there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. The parallel is fantastic. Abraxas: you are one kick-ass writer. What like the Soviet Union/Peoples Republic of China/Democratic Kampuchea/Cuba/Democratic Republic of Vietnam or any other communist nation on earth? I know you aren't referring to the United States, we have freedom of opportunity with consequences to ones actions, not do whatever the **** you want and there are no consequences freedom.
Genki SG Scapegoats	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Shandir Edited by: Shandir on 15/11/2010 18:20:04 Prisoner 47 - Hitman reference? Or just 42+2+3... OMG the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything, plus a "23" for the illuminati
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:20:00 - [15] Ugh, don't take this thread down that road. ---------------- Co-Executor, Minister of Communications Covenant of Prophecy
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:42:00 - [16] Thanks, Abraxas. If they ever make an EVE movie, I want you to write the screenplay. It will almost certainly bomb, like Serenity bombed, but suffering for one's art is the mark of the true artist, non? Also, you'll build up your own cult following.
Yennefer VanCiri Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Bomberlocks Thanks, Abraxas. If they ever make an EVE movie, I want you to write the screenplay. It will almost certainly bomb, like Serenity bombed, but suffering for one's art is the mark of the true artist, non? Also, you'll build up your own cult following. I couldn't agree more! That was a great read!
Xaviar Onassis Gulfonodi Bay Fishing Club	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:29:00 - [18] Great story, love it. Not sure I can agree that the ending qualifies as "happy" though... Also, really minor point, but "tired revelries"? I think you meant "tired reveries" as the former means "party" and the latter "thinking about stuff from the past". Great writing though - just wish they were more frequent.
iKill Giants Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.16 00:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Mr Jebidea ... Trail of Tears The Japanese Internment Camps of WWII. We all have skeletons in our closets. Even the Matari. --------- People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon.
Rustpunk Ghost Festival	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:10:00 - [20] I'm a steadfast Minmatar roleplayer, and one of the things I love about EVE is that we have no good guys. Not on a large scale, anyway: like every single other government that has ever existed IRL, and like every single other person, we are capable of great good and great evil. Sometimes at the same time. The US, 1930s Germany, Costa Rica (no military), the USSR... none of us have completely clean hands, yet we can find positive actions by every government. I like CCP showing (again) the darker side of the Minmatar. Just like I like seeing them show the compassionate side of the Amarr, despite the fact that on the whole, that nation supports a policy of great evil.

Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Jebidea Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Delicious. Truly fantastic. I like how it echoes with modern day... there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. The parallel is fantastic. Abraxas: you are one kick-ass writer. What like the Soviet Union/Peoples Republic of China/Democratic Kampuchea/Cuba/Democratic Republic of Vietnam or any other communist nation on earth? I know you aren't referring to the United States, we have freedom of opportunity with consequences to ones actions, not do whatever the **** you want and there are no consequences freedom. Ahahahahahaha.
IL'kahn Rohtaga	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:43:00 - [22] Are you trying to plumb the depths of the depravity of the Eve player base? Whats next feeding fetuses to their parents? I see in the unwritten end of this story the beginning of the film '300' where the hardened boy fearlessly slaughters the wolf with an understanding of 'kill or be killed'. The protagonist could never return to the camp having learned what he needed to trancend his situation, 'liberty or death' is the only logical next step. In my mind he killed the slaver hound and returned to possibly take out a couple guards before acquiring a weapon and going down in a blaze of glory. This is why I quit the Minmatar and have been accepted by the truely enlightened race the Caldari and will deny my racial heritage three times and work to build the Caldari up with my last efforts which btw are achieved using modern machinery.
Roga Dracor Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux	Posted - 2010.11.16 02:31:00 - [23] Thumbs up.. I agree, love to see these like once a week..
Slaver	Posted - 2010.11.16 04:00:00 - [24] I approve this Chronicle. On his deathbed, my grandfather whispered to me a similar tale.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.11.16 04:08:00 - [25] Hail to the king, baby.
Enya Sparhawk	Posted - 2010.11.16 04:48:00 - [26] Damn good story! I especially loved the ending! When plunged into the icy depths of darkness, could looking back only reveal your shadowy reflection slowly sinking away; one must ask, as only a number can ask, was this man truely a King of straw, or just merely a scarecrow?
Ian Luxor Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.16 06:54:00 - [27] Maybe i just don't get the end ? This could only be a happy ending for the slaver hound in my point of view . That guy is slaver hound food in the end, right ?
Elisa Vilerum	Posted - 2010.11.16 07:11:00 - [28] don't see much point in these camps/prisons they are not there to be of any benefit to republic they sound to me more of personal sick amusement of some influential ol' war fart general,those prisoners are wasting food and space they occupy seems to me much better way to go is to open cargo bay mid space and let them meet the good of theirs non the less i liked the writing as always
Rip Minner Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries	Posted - 2010.11.16 07:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Rip Minner on 16/11/2010 08:00:41 Edited by: Rip Minner on 16/11/2010 07:59:41 Originally by: Mr Jebidea Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Delicious. Truly fantastic. I like how it echoes with modern day... there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. The parallel is fantastic. Abraxas: you are one kick-ass writer. What like the Soviet Union/Peoples Republic of China/Democratic Kampuchea/Cuba/Democratic Republic of Vietnam or any other communist nation on earth? I know you aren't referring to the United States, we have freedom of opportunity with consequences to ones actions, not do whatever the **** you want and there are no consequences freedom. I'm from the United States. But I have traveled around to more places then the one I was born in. Keeping in line with what I know of differnt countrys first hand and not the p*ss poor lies forced feed though Corp media. Add in the last 20-30 years of current events. And yes I would have to say United States would be the first pick to that one. The great evil spoken of is the Greed of the Corps/Rich faimlys that have all but taken over power of are country as we stand by and let them poor out pain and suffering around the world for mony. Well that would be my first guess. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.11.16 08:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Ian Luxor Maybe i just don't get the end ? This could only be a happy ending for the slaver hound in my point of view . That guy is slaver hound food in the end, right ? Originally by: King Slaver He turned and found himself looking at a slaver hound, realizing in that moment what a terrible joke, what a perfect fulfilment of this life it was to have these beasts here to guard the faithful, diverted from their original purpose of guarding and attacking Minmatar slaves back in the Empire. He could hear the hound's hoarse, deep breathing. Puffs of air wafted from its hungry face. He stood still, calmly looking back at it. And in that animal face, with its sharp teeth dripping saliva, and the eyes red-rimmed and unblinking, he saw no longer a hunger, but a fellowship. If anything, this scene reminds me exactly of a similar scene from Chronicles of riddick, where Van Deisel's character is almost attacked by a similar creature, but instead befriends it. When asked how this was possible, he answers something to the effect of it sensing a kindred spirit. Which is almost word-for-word how it was described in the story.

Auwnie Morohe	Posted - 2010.11.16 11:36:00 - [31] Anyone else see some parallels with Apocalypse now. Also this was not a happy ending whoever comes out alive.
Hamilcar Gisco Amarr Taggart Ventures	Posted - 2010.11.16 12:18:00 - [32] "Freedom was an important concept, apparently. The Minmatar found it so important, the prisoner thought, they wanted to keep it all to themselves." Irony and contradiction through the Amarrian spectrum, priceless...
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2010.11.16 13:17:00 - [33] The english was a bit awkward at the beginning, but it tightened up a lot at the end. Good story arc, too, simple Aesop, avoiding the temptation to go for being purposefully obscure like some of the other chronicles. And presents the characters as people, instead of transcendent mystics or total monsters like some of the other stories are unfortunately prone to do. The hint of back-story on how the slaver-hounds were domesticated and how they are tied to Amarr specifically was a nice touch, as well. I like it, I think this is one of my favorite ones. --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.11.16 14:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Nathan Jameson If anything, this scene reminds me exactly of a similar scene from Chronicles of riddick, where Van Deisel's character is almost attacked by a similar creature, but instead befriends it. When asked how this was possible, he answers something to the effect of it sensing a kindred spirit. Which is almost word-for-word how it was described in the story. So naive; thinking the two will be riding into the sunset of love. ^_^ E.g. just cause a crazy person sees a kindred spirit doesn't mean it's not lunch time.
Shaedyn	Posted - 2010.11.16 14:13:00 - [35] Very good. VERY good. Ending wasn't "happy" but it certainly wasn't sad.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.11.16 14:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So naive; thinking the two will be riding into the sunset of love. ^_^ E.g. just cause a crazy person sees a kindred spirit doesn't mean it's not lunch time. Referring to CCP Abraxas's post about the ending of this story: Originally by: CCP Abraxas And with respect to recent discussions, let me just add for any who wonder: This story has a happy ending. So did Hona is Three, Rust Creeps and Burnt. We really are a gentle, lovable people, we devs. Very Happy All three stories he referenced had protagonists who did not die at the end, but rather learned some way to survive in a harsh, cruel, and unforgiving world. That is the only sort of "happy ending" you will ever get in EVE--in the Chronicles, or behind the monitor. I don't think my take on the ending was at all unfounded.

CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2010.11.16 16:09:00 - [37] See, here's the thing about short stories and happy endings: It's apples and oranges. A short story is a pivotal act just barely wreathed in a beginning and an end. Something goes wrong in a short story. The positivity (or lesson, or epiphany or whatever reaction you may have from reading any story) derived from the story's text depends on whether that event likely propelled the protagonist towards his or her own lesson, epiphany, realization, etc. Basically, if someone's bad off and something happens to make that worse, that's not automatically an unhappy story or a bad ending. What matters is the outcome of that pivotal event seen in the context of what just happened - insofar as you're allowed to see that outcome, because obviously short stories can't do protracted followups. King Slaver isn't about politics or brutality, or about someone being stuck in a terrible place. That's the context. It's about someone of a religious bent who's put through the wringer and who, in a place of immense ugliness and despair, manages not only to come to terms with it, but likely also to become a stronger, more satisfied person - in this place, of all places. That is a happy ending. Also, for the one who referenced Apocalypse Now: Yes, oh yes; but go deeper. Compare the first paragraph of King Slaver with the first paragraph of something else far more famous (and rightly so). And the 47 isn't a reference to Hitman (all props to our friends at IO), but to Mark Twain, and a story he wrote about a man who may be something more than a man. If you know that story and that man, the entirety of King Slaver takes on yet another meaning.

Ian Luxor Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:12:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Abraxas King Slaver isn't about politics or brutality, or about someone being stuck in a terrible place. That's the context. It's about someone of a religious bent who's put through the wringer and who, in a place of immense ugliness and despair, manages not only to come to terms with it, but likely also to become a stronger, more satisfied person - in this place, of all places. That is a happy ending. Nevertheless he ends as Slaver food..

CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2010.11.16 18:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Ian Luxor Originally by: CCP Abraxas King Slaver isn't about politics or brutality, or about someone being stuck in a terrible place. That's the context. It's about someone of a religious bent who's put through the wringer and who, in a place of immense ugliness and despair, manages not only to come to terms with it, but likely also to become a stronger, more satisfied person - in this place, of all places. That is a happy ending. Nevertheless he ends as Slaver food.. Who says?

Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2010.11.16 21:50:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Abraxas See, here's the thing about short stories and happy endings: It's apples and oranges. A short story is a pivotal act just barely wreathed in a beginning and an end. Something goes wrong in a short story. The positivity (or lesson, or epiphany or whatever reaction you may have from reading any story) derived from the story's text depends on whether that event likely propelled the protagonist towards his or her own lesson, epiphany, realization, etc. Basically, if someone's bad off and something happens to make that worse, that's not automatically an unhappy story or a bad ending. What matters is the outcome of that pivotal event seen in the context of what just happened - insofar as you're allowed to see that outcome, because obviously short stories can't do protracted followups. King Slaver isn't about politics or brutality, or about someone being stuck in a terrible place. That's the context. It's about someone of a religious bent who's put through the wringer and who, in a place of immense ugliness and despair, manages not only to come to terms with it, but likely also to become a stronger, more satisfied person - in this place, of all places. That is a happy ending. Also, for the one who referenced Apocalypse Now: Yes, oh yes; but go deeper. Compare the first paragraph of King Slaver with the first paragraph of something else far more famous (and rightly so). And the 47 isn't a reference to Hitman (all props to our friends at IO), but to Mark Twain, and a story he wrote about a man who may be something more than a man. If you know that story and that man, the entirety of King Slaver takes on yet another meaning. I bow down to the wholeness and complexity of the short story. You sir, are my hero. :.]

Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.11.17 00:00:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Abraxas Originally by: Ian Luxor Originally by: CCP Abraxas King Slaver isn't about politics or brutality, or about someone being stuck in a terrible place. That's the context. It's about someone of a religious bent who's put through the wringer and who, in a place of immense ugliness and despair, manages not only to come to terms with it, but likely also to become a stronger, more satisfied person - in this place, of all places. That is a happy ending. Nevertheless he ends as Slaver food.. Who says? My guess there would be the slaver hound. In particular I think its probably saying "mmm dinner" -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Gykgio	Posted - 2010.11.17 01:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. Israel. What do I win?
Astenion Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project	Posted - 2010.11.17 04:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Gykgio Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu there is a contemporary culture which I will not name, whose identity is synonymous with suffering a great evil, then turning around and inflicting said same evil upon others. Israel. What do I win? I was thinking the same thing. It's funny though, how people now automatically go in defensive mode because they were sure it was a reference to the US. I guess we're a little gun shy these days. If it was actually in reference to the US, then obvious troll is obvious.
Kiko Tojima Amarr Daughters of Hada	Posted - 2010.11.17 06:53:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP Abraxas Also, for the one who referenced Apocalypse Now: Yes, oh yes; but go deeper. Compare the first paragraph of King Slaver with the first paragraph of something else far more famous (and rightly so). Holy crap, now you hooked me... Obviously not the first chapter of "Heart of Darkness". "Papillon" maybe?
GregoriusAtlas	Posted - 2010.11.17 09:38:00 - [45] Filth ! To have an universe a little on the dark side is one thing , to write such crap is quite another . Abraxas if this is the sort of smut that gets you off knock yourself out , but i for one will never bother reading another of your " happy end stories " .
Elistar XI	Posted - 2010.11.17 12:06:00 - [46] Edited by: Elistar XI on 17/11/2010 12:13:00 I don't get it, did eve chronicles become a contest of which one is more odd, twisted or cryptic? Something cryptic from time to time is ok, but it's just like a good joke, if you overuse it then it gets boring. A lot of people who are new to eve will compliment these chronicles because it's something new for them, but as someone who played eve for almost 4 years these are old and boring. With 1 or 2 exceptions I didn't read anything innovative or original in the last year or two. I am sure you can do better than just repeating yourself over and over again. edit: I am not criticizing the concept of the story, it is a good one, but the way it is told is the same old cryptic same. and a headache to decrypt no matter how proficient they are.
Dresdor	Posted - 2010.11.17 12:22:00 - [47] Silly amarr. Dont they know the slaver king is really just another tool to break them.
kinky ho	Posted - 2010.11.17 15:22:00 - [48] im not sure who writes these things but they all seem as if they are trying far to hard....if you know what i mean, they lack tallent and direction and give away to much too soon
Nie'eine Hier NieCo Group	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:01:00 - [49] Not so many can read between words , the real thema is the survival of the fact that keeps us -the people- ,the ,so named, inteligent creatures , the highest evolved of all beings, different as a whole and far away from being taken as domestic animals good only for the hard work in the places where the machines are of no use. Consciousness is like a volume , a cube by example , whole because all his lines unite in several points creating faces , some enlightened , some dark. Pictures of your views and beliefs. Not imporant where the light is coming from , you will see the faces in front of you and if a line misses then your universe is no more complete. Maybe the missing line was the acceptance of the chaos as it is, part of his life. Beautifull story. And making a movie from inside EVE life and story is no bad idea, just needs a lot of work, much more than a Chronicle, but worth it ?
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.11.17 21:27:00 - [50] Originally by: kinky ho im not sure who writes these things but they all seem as if they are trying far to hard....if you know what i mean, they lack tallent and direction and give away to much too soon You're not showing a lot of talent in the reading department either. The first post in this thread clearly states who wrote it - that is as you apparently missed his numerous bluebar posts in the threat. -----

Gykgio	Posted - 2010.11.17 22:40:00 - [51] Originally by: GregoriusAtlas Filth ! To have an universe a little on the dark side is one thing , to write such crap is quite another . Abraxas if this is the sort of smut that gets you off knock yourself out , but i for one will never bother reading another of your " happy end stories " . I really hope you're trolling. When you think of the universe do you seriously think it's going to be like a huge Chuck E. Cheeses with a crap load of little kids drooling and running all over the place having fun? To me this is a very realistic event due to the given relations and circumstances Minmatar and the Amarr are in. We can see things like this have happened all over real history. Don't read it if it bothers you, that's your problem, but don't come here calling someone else's work "crap" and on top of that go on to insult the author. Go practice coloring in within the lines back in pre-school. This is the universe. The Wild West. No Man's Land.
Ji'kahr	Posted - 2010.11.18 00:03:00 - [52] I thought that the story was brilliant, truly brilliant. The language was descriptive and evocative, painting a believable picture of what life would be like in one of these prisoner labor camps. I definitely think it is realistic for the Minmatar to be as brutal to the Amarrians as the Amarrians were with them, if not more so. 'Turnabout is fair play.' It's also more interesting to hear a story about an Amarrian prisoner having a crisis with his religion rather than a bunch of prisoners who were jettisoned into space. However, I too was confused by the ending. Especially since it is referred to as a 'happy' ending. It was my understanding that the Slaver hound made short work of Prisoner 47. However, the story is resolved because prisoner 47 met 'the Slaver King' and thus had a religious revelation before he died. I suppose it's a little like the Christian martyrs who face the lions in the colosseum while singing hymns, believing that they will shortly be delivered into 'life eternal'. This 'religious revelation' at the end, in my mind, was the prisoner's acceptance of life as it is, a kind of fatalism or stoicism, perhaps even satori. Whether his mortal body was destroyed by the Slaver hound or not is no longer of importance. Whatever has happened, prisoner 47 has transcended his mortality, his humanity. I suppose there are some parallels between this story and 'Apocalypse Now', or Joseph Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness'. The Slaver King in the Jungle could be thought of as a kind of Kurtz, and so forth. This doesn't mean that the story isn't brilliant on it's own, or original. It only means that there are really NO NEW STORIES, only new variations on familiar themes.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.11.18 01:20:00 - [53] Well. Maybe it was happy because he dies having found true faith, as opposed to the lip service most of his compatriots offer (according to the story itself that is)? Or maybe he did survive, and the happy ending is by finding a way to endure, and still remain a thinking being? My money is on the first though. I do wonder what he was arrested for mind. He doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. But what standards is he applying to think that? Had a look but couldn't track down the Mark Twain reference, and I've never read Heart of Darkness. Regards,
Ji'kahr	Posted - 2010.11.18 02:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya Well. Maybe it was happy because he dies having found true faith, as opposed to the lip service most of his compatriots offer (according to the story itself that is)? Or maybe he did survive, and the happy ending is by finding a way to endure, and still remain a thinking being? My money is on the first though. I do wonder what he was arrested for mind. He doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. But what standards is he applying to think that? Had a look but couldn't track down the Mark Twain reference, and I've never read Heart of Darkness. I think what you say is true to the story, as well as the Eve backstory regarding Amarr society. The holy texts of the Amarrians are a huge collection which would rival the law library of any medium-sized University. The religion of the Amarrians is roughly based on the worst elements of the Catholic church, where the power of the priests was uncontested and the religious texts (Grimoiries), chained up, inaccessible, and incomprehensible to the layman. Amarrian society is one of ritual and tradition, not unlike feudal Europe. I think what the Amarrian prisoners did that was 'wrong' was to be captured by the Minmatar as prisoners of war. As a loyal Amarrian soldier he wouldn't 'think' he has done anything wrong by killing Matari, but to the Minmatar of course he is a captured enemy who has been found guilty of crimes against their people. I think the prison camps are to break the Amarrian POWs spirit, perhaps even 'brainwash' them into supporting the Minmatar struggle. Break them down, reprogram them, and send them back into the Amarrian militia as spies, sabotagers, and provocateurs. (I could see a little of that happening on both sides.) In this case, prisoner 47 may have found 'religious revelation' in the form of a 'stockholm syndrome'. Sort of like Winston Smith coming to love Big Brother at the end of 1984. The 'Slaver King' may be part of the Matari technique to brainwash the Amarrians into switching sides. As the story darkly hints "Religion to the Amarrians is a kind of habit, the Minmatar know this as well." Convince the Amarrians that the voice they hear is actually the voice of God, and they will do anything that is told to them. Perhaps that's why the Amarrians with that 'holy glow' were left alone and given preferential treatment by the Minmatar prison guards. These prisoners with the holy glow were already brainwashed, and ready for the next stage of 'processing'. This is exactly the 'good cop, bad cop' technique that the Chinese used to brainwash American soldiers during the cold war. Break them down, build them up again. The lack of fear at the Slaver Hound may have been an indication to his captors that prisoner 47's spirit was now broken. His mind was ready for the re-indoctrination process. Happy ending...for the Minmatar, I guess. I'm not sure what you mean by the Mark Twain reference. Perhaps you are thinking of 'The Jungle book'? There is a part in that book where the feral child looks into the eyes of an angry wolf, and becomes accepted by the wolf pack. I haven't actually read 'Heart of Darkness' either. However it's the story that 'Apocalypse Now is loosely based on. So Heart of Darkness = Apocalypse Now, with crazy Kurtz as the Slaver King.
Izekat	Posted - 2010.11.18 04:08:00 - [55] I guess not everyone in new eden gets the luxury of a comfy pod.
Jentisis Kortican	Posted - 2010.11.18 04:54:00 - [56] cool story bro. but fight club. thinks he knows the world --> losses/gives up everything --> gains knowledge. that being said good read, dont agree with idea but good read.
GregoriusAtlas	Posted - 2010.11.18 09:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Gykgio Originally by: GregoriusAtlas Filth ! To have an universe a little on the dark side is one thing , to write such crap is quite another . Abraxas if this is the sort of smut that gets you off knock yourself out , but i for one will never bother reading another of your " happy end stories " . I really hope you're trolling. When you think of the universe do you seriously think it's going to be like a huge Chuck E. Cheeses with a crap load of little kids drooling and running all over the place having fun? To me this is a very realistic event due to the given relations and circumstances Minmatar and the Amarr are in. We can see things like this have happened all over real history. Don't read it if it bothers you, that's your problem, but don't come here calling someone else's work "crap" and on top of that go on to insult the author. Go practice coloring in within the lines back in pre-school. This is the universe. The Wild West. No Man's Land. Gykgio , i assure you what i wrote is my exact opinion on the subject . Point number 2 : It is my God given right to say exactly what i want and that is exactly what i am going to say . If people like you don't like that makes it even better . Maybe you should do a little research on " Freedom of Speech " . Point number 3 : I am paying money to play EVE , i am not playing out of the kindness of CCP . I have the right as a consumer to ask for exactly what i want and i will do so . If they have a problem with what i ask then they are free not to take my money . Point number 4 : How the real universe works in reality is utterly of no consequence because nothing in EVE is not real . It is all make belief and as make belief we use it to " take a brake from the real world " . Let me repeat that for you : " EvE is make belief and we play in order to take a brake from the real world " . Needles to say if i wanted senseless violence i would have simply watched TV . Point number 5 : I don't know from what sort of " communist utopia " you come from but in the real world ( the one you so kindly reminded me of ) people are not and will never be equal . If an artist creates a work of art he should receive glory if not then he should receive scorn . It is JUST that i insult crap . And speaking of insults you are being a hypocrite since you insulted me as well with patronizing nonsense in stead of argument . Point number 6 : You have mentioned in true " Hello Kitty " style ( the most classical of Eve insults ) the fallowing thing : " Good is Evil and Evil is Good " . My answer to you is quite simple : " Yes i would rather take good wholesome innocent children drawing pink unicorns " then your alternative . Point number 7 : Cowards accept the world as it is , Heroes fight to make it better ! " Oh my , the world is a terrible place there is nothing i can do i must be evil myself ! " = the justification of a craven fool . Point number 8 : If you believe that Evil is good , brutality is manly , the innocence of children is stupid , then take you belief to there logical conclusion : Enlist in the " glorious army " of Israel or the United States and go butcher civilians in Palestine , Afghanistan , Iraq . Or if that is not manly enough for you maybe you can go to China and perform forced abortions .
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.11.18 14:00:00 - [58] Originally by: GregoriusAtlas said stuff As a veteran of the War on Terror, with multiple foreign deployments under my belt, where I actually put my life on the line to defend the freedoms of people who didn't even truly understand them yet...I find your accusations incredibly offensive. Your intent may be to advocate freedom of speech and individuality, but I'm seeing a lot of inherent prejudice in your statements that is at odds with this message.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.11.18 14:11:00 - [59] Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 18/11/2010 14:11:22 Originally by: GregoriusAtlas It is my God given right to say exactly what i want and that is exactly what i am going to say Oh, hey. You're that guy who praised the Amarrian clown who chose his faith and Empire over the life of his child, and you once said someone would go to hell for questioning spirituality. You have praised the darkness in EVE Chronicles before, so I guess there must be something special about this one. I wonder what it could be. -----
Gykgio	Posted - 2010.11.18 17:38:00 - [60] Originally by: GregoriusAtlas Gykgio , i assure you what i wrote is my exact opinion on the subject . Point number 2 : It is my God given right to say exactly what i want and that is exactly what i am going to say . If people like you don't like that makes it even better . Maybe you should do a little research on " Freedom of Speech " . Point number 3 : I am paying money to play EVE , i am not playing out of the kindness of CCP . I have the right as a consumer to ask for exactly what i want and i will do so . If they have a problem with what i ask then they are free not to take my money . Point number 4 : How the real universe works in reality is utterly of no consequence because nothing in EVE is not real . It is all make belief and as make belief we use it to " take a brake from the real world " . Let me repeat that for you : " EvE is make belief and we play in order to take a brake from the real world " . Needles to say if i wanted senseless violence i would have simply watched TV . Point number 5 : I don't know from what sort of " communist utopia " you come from but in the real world ( the one you so kindly reminded me of ) people are not and will never be equal . If an artist creates a work of art he should receive glory if not then he should receive scorn . It is JUST that i insult crap . And speaking of insults you are being a hypocrite since you insulted me as well with patronizing nonsense in stead of argument . Point number 6 : You have mentioned in true " Hello Kitty " style ( the most classical of Eve insults ) the fallowing thing : " Good is Evil and Evil is Good " . My answer to you is quite simple : " Yes i would rather take good wholesome innocent children drawing pink unicorns " then your alternative . Point number 7 : Cowards accept the world as it is , Heroes fight to make it better ! " Oh my , the world is a terrible place there is nothing i can do i must be evil myself ! " = the justification of a craven fool . Point number 8 : If you believe that Evil is good , brutality is manly , the innocence of children is stupid , then take you belief to there logical conclusion : Enlist in the " glorious army " of Israel or the United States and go butcher civilians in Palestine , Afghanistan , Iraq . Or if that is not manly enough for you maybe you can go to China and perform forced abortions . "Gykgio, i assure you what i wrote is my exact opinion on the subject." "If people like you don't like that makes it even better" Sounds like someone does not know what trolling is. Yes you are paying to play EVE, but you are not paying for the Chronicles. These are available to the public wether you pay or not, therefore they don't have to listen to the customer, because there is no customer. "Needles to say if i wanted senseless violence i would have simply watched TV." Yet here you are playing EVE where THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SENSELESS VIOLENCE!...Owait... That's right, this game IS based around senseless violence. "nothing in EVE is not real." Nice double negative you've got going there. "people are not and will never be equal" "If an artist creates a work of art he should receive glory if not then he should receive scorn ." Sounds like you are afraid of diversity. Need a hug? "It is JUST that i insult crap . And speaking of insults you are being a hypocrite since you insulted me as well with patronizing nonsense in stead of argument." Well hell, maybe it is JUST that I insult crap too. " Good is Evil and Evil is Good " Not what I meant. If that's what you perceived it says a lot about you. "Cowards accept the world as it is , Heroes fight to make it better", (20 seconds ago) "people are not and will never be equal" Nice way of telling the forums you're a coward. First of all let me say thank you for the lulz. Also you would be very good roleplaying as a typical Amarr.

GregoriusAtlas	Posted - 2010.11.18 19:13:00 - [61] Originally by: Nathan Jameson Originally by: GregoriusAtlas said stuff As a veteran of the War on Terror, with multiple foreign deployments under my belt, where I actually put my life on the line to defend the freedoms of people who didn't even truly understand them yet...I find your accusations incredibly offensive. Your intent may be to advocate freedom of speech and individuality, but I'm seeing a lot of inherent prejudice in your statements that is at odds with this message. Cut the patriot nonsense . If you had the brains to look closer maybe you would realize that the enemy is a lot closer to home . War on terror ? can one wage war on a tactic ? Cut the crap and get informed , the enemy of the American people is the American Government . What you think of my accusations is not relevant because i am not here to please anyone but to tell the truth as it is . Oh and one more thing : 9 / 11 Inside Job ! Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 18/11/2010 14:11:22 Originally by: GregoriusAtlas Stuff Yes i am the one who made the comments in the clown story , i was not roleplaying and i stick by them . I have praised the grim dark thing in Eve to a degree but like i said in a previous post : this one i did not like . Not all stories are the same i need not like the grim dark in all of them . Originally by: Gykgio Originally by: GregoriusAtlas Stuff Stuff You have mentioned the fact that the chronicles are freely available , this is true however i ask you the simple question : Who is the target of the stories , who is most likely to read them ? Obviously the player base . My point still holds . You stated that EvE is based on senseless violence , this is false . While it may appear so at first sight , fighting in Eve is anything but random for the big players at least . And of course you are ignoring the fact that EVE is what the players who play it decide it is . You have basically slapped the face of every industrial and miner character . You accused me of a double negative , congratulation you have found a typo in my message , i have typed an extra word . Diversity ? Again i remind you that things are not relative and will never be relative . Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder . If you want to embrace filth in the name of political correctness feel free to waste your money . Or maybe you would like to hire unskilled workers in the name of diversity and political correctness ? See how well that works for you ! People are not and will never equal . This is evident to anyone with two neurons to rub together , feel free to think what ever you wish about my character . Does it make me a coward to say 2 + 2 = 4 and not 5 ? Well then i guess i am a coward . People are not equal and will never be so , no amount of liberal / socialist nonsense will change that . You asked if maybe is good that you insult crap too . Sure it is , but so far you are able to tell the difference between value and crap . What you do is so typical of the brainwashed masses of today : appeals to sentimentality , ignoring argument and snide remarks . You are correct in saying about the good and evil remark that it was what i perceived . And i still do : you defended darkness as the way of the universe . As for what it may be saying about me , well no one is stopping you from writing just about any made up charge . Fun is good , have fun , that is why we play Eve . If you truly care you will review my posts maybe you will understand some things , if not then you can go back to snide remarks , typo hunts and complete avoidance of serious argument . Make sure to vote for what ever socialist candidate you desire , i hear Obama is not quite done ruining USA yet . ô Free Health care because all men are created equal ô just wait and see how well that works for you .

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Auwnie Morohe	Posted - 2010.11.19 02:36:00 - [63] I think the Mark Twain reference is to "The Mysterious Stranger". It is a story of which several versions exist about Satan, a nephew of the famous Satan also called No 44.
Miregar Shakor Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.19 10:47:00 - [64] I've seen freed slaves dying in happiness moments after disembarking from refuge vessels, on stretchers, on the cold floor of a for them alien station's landing dock. I can relate to 47's state of mind just before succumbing to the slavehound. Which he did, since the beast does not know compassion, only instinct. And hunger.. I can also see the true nature of the so called 'king'. The corruption and falsehood. The parasitic abuse of the very basic beliefs of his own race. For me he is the true Amarr, revealed.

CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2010.11.19 11:26:00 - [65] Edited by: CCP Abraxas on 19/11/2010 11:29:08 Originally by: Auwnie Morohe I think the Mark Twain reference is to "The Mysterious Stranger". It is a story of which several versions exist about Satan, a nephew of the famous Satan also called No 44. Bingo! It was oblique, mind; the Heart of Darkness references (particularly with the first paragraph of the story) were intended to stand out a lot more. Edit: I read The Mysterious Stranger - several versions of it, since Twain never completed the story - when I was much younger, and I never forgot it. It's one of the first occasions I can remember when I read something and realized how immensely deep and strange literature could be. It ranks up there with The Brothers Lionheart by Astrid Lindgren - the books are very different, but the darkness creeping around the edges is there in equal measure.

mattig89ch1 Caldari Caeye Assault Technologies	Posted - 2010.11.19 20:34:00 - [66] you know, I was starting to wonder if you people were only concerned with the absolute darkness of eve. Jita 4-4, Xenocracy, desert fathers (just too name a few) were solely concerned with the idea that human beings were cruel and would always be cruel. With no possibility of anything else. But with chronicles like Rust Creeps, and the Rite, you get to see that human beings aren't just cruel people, who's sole reason for existance is to cause misery and suffering before they drift off to obscure death. Sure this king might be another form of control, but at least he gives these prisoners some sense of being/peace. So bravo on the chronicle. Glad to see you fine people an ccp can write something more then chronicles about death, and destruction. __________________________________________________ HK-47: "Can I kill him master? I would very much like to break his neck, just a little, its been a long time fantasy of mine."
Conrad Makbure Gallente Teutonic Brotherhood	Posted - 2010.11.22 04:27:00 - [67] Ending is kinda, vague, like the "less is more" thing is going on here. I don't know it's ok. We really don't know if the slaver hound changes it's mind and eats old 47, do we? It's implied that the hound leaves him alone? So, so ending I suppose. -Makbure
Freddy Markfans	Posted - 2010.11.22 12:22:00 - [68] No guys, the Slaver King is the Slaver Hound, they attract Amarrians there to feed the Slaver . Seriously, its the best chronicle I read for now, I would love to see more about good things btw
Hirimatsu Yamamoto Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces	Posted - 2010.11.24 20:00:00 - [69] Originally by: kinky ho im not sure who writes these things but they all seem as if they are trying far to hard....if you know what i mean, they lack tallent and direction and give away to much too soon One who lacks the capacity for impeccable grammar himself should not criticise the content, and general capacity of the author, when the critic himself likely has little to no grasp of the very story he/she is criticising. What was the last book, or piece of writing you had published? ..... I didn't think so....
Marleigh Raffaraii	Posted - 2010.11.25 23:18:00 - [70] Awesome story Abraxas! Loved it; keep writing mate. -Ker

Taxtro Grave Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.26 20:14:00 - [71] Edited by: Taxtro Grave on 26/11/2010 20:14:56 Prison sex. Sweet. :) ..Got any... grapes? and remember kids, you can't spell "grape" without "****!"
Azura Noctis Amarr SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.11.28 05:16:00 - [72] Very engaging. :) Looking forward to more Abraxas.
Emrys Ap'Morgravaine Caldari AppleGarthTech	Posted - 2010.11.30 00:25:00 - [73] Ever get the feeling that Abraxas is one of those people you meet maybe 2 or 3 times in a lifetime? usually at 4 or 5 in the morning in a quiet corner of an after party - and they blow your mind? Em. -=-=-=-=- Reformed Carebear. Much bear, zero care. -=-=-=-=-
Sartorami Minmatar Roid Runners Incorporated	Posted - 2010.12.11 02:14:00 - [74] Yeah, hi, and sorry for late reply. Just figured the last one was late enough to tag onto. :) Anyway, I must be at least as crazy as I think, cause I don't see half the problems with these stories that apparently stares so many others in the face. Forced? Nope. If anything, we should be worried at how -un-forced these tales of death, despair and survival is. :) As for dark and gloomy....well, yeah. how fun would it be to read about someone living in a gallente highrise? Same thing as why the news are so scarce in the Real World(tm) about anything other than disasters and misfortune. why people slow down when going past a carwreck. Bad News are interesting. reports of people going about their business in a carefree fashion is not. Anyway, King Slaver. Seems plainly evident to me that all those folks that seemed 'untouchable' were ones who'd already taken that trip to the King. Hence, most or all of them would have encountered a slaver. As for why the creature might not have attacked/eaten him....maybe it knew he wouldn't taste good? :P I don't know. I just can't see him fail to return to camp. especially if the whole thing is arranged to break him and his ilk down to size for reprogramming. Chances are that thing he was given to eat by the King provided some kind of signal, of sorts, warning the beast off...or perhaps indeed seeing him as a fellow slaver. Thank you. Great stuff, folks. Haven't read a chronicle I didn't like yet.
Amaroq Dricaldari Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.08 13:53:00 - [75] I think this was a good story, and I enjyed it, but it was kind of slow paced. On a side note: When I saw the title, I thought it was similiar in-line with some EVE Fan-Fiction I am still working on, but semi-abandoned due to lack of ideas. It is kind of similiar, as it involves slaver hounds, but it is actually totally different in alot of ways. I would describe it but I am not sure that it is a good idea to do it in public. -- I WANT MY TAX REFUND!


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