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Dmoney3788 THE DISC	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:36:00 - [1] Took this into an easy incursion (1 BS, 3 cruisers initially): [Rattlesnake, incursion running] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Explosion Dampening Amplifier II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Garde II x5 EFT gives me around a 1250 DPS tank with my skills, just under 1500 max skilled. In about 2 minutes the rats melted my rattlesnake. I felt like if I had all lvl 5 relevant skills I could have survived, up until 3 frig bomber rats spawned as well, but they didn't start shooting me because I popped before they could get in range. Now, I took a screenshot of my resists in a system with incursions, and then used the lowered resists so I could fit crappier deadspace mods to match the lowered resists, after I did that, which i matched the resists within 0.1%, my resultant tank was somewhere around 1050 DPS omni. Some quick facts: -some rats neut, so solo you'd need a fully passive setup -the sites are gated, so you can't bring in caps, even if you are lucky enough to have one in system -the rats do all 4 damage types, as the lasers shoot EM/Thermal and they shoot kinetic/explosive missiles, so omni tank is needed -the site I tried solo is one of the easiest sites compared to other sites I've run in groups, which some can have 20 incursion rats in it. -this rattlesnake has tanked lvl 5's with ease With that in mind I don't think there's a setup out there (besides upgrading the setup I posted to pithum A-type expl and T2 purger rigs) that can top a fully passive omni rattlesnake tank. So I conclude that its impossible to solo incursion sites, even the easy ones.
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere	Posted - 2010.11.15 22:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Catari Taga on 15/11/2010 23:04:48 You'd get a stronger tank fitting Sansha specific resists and more LSEs. Also T2 purgers, and depending on how heavy the neuting is a CN/DG invuln will nearly double your tank. Get KVA2000+KYA2000 hardwirings. Fleet anyone for gang bonus will further increase it. Get a Vulture with mindlink as gang booster for even more tank (you've probably tripled it by now). However, considering it is supposed to be group content, not being soloable sounds like a design goal here. --
Splastastic	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:39:00 - [3] I'd suggest you read the blog again. It says incursions aren't meant for solo play and there are exact features to discourage solo play, like the toughness, no loot drops, next to nothing in salvage and the ratio system. The closer to a 1:1 ratio you are, the better loot you get, so why would not only spend hours in a single site, while getting no bounty, no loot and mitigated payout when/if completed?
Dmoney3788 THE DISC	Posted - 2010.11.15 23:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Catari Taga Edited by: Catari Taga on 15/11/2010 23:04:48 You'd get a stronger tank fitting Sansha specific resists and more LSEs. Also T2 purgers, and depending on how heavy the neuting is a CN/DG invuln will nearly double your tank. Get KVA2000+KYA2000 hardwirings. Fleet anyone for gang bonus will further increase it. Get a Vulture with mindlink as gang booster for even more tank (you've probably tripled it by now). Couple problems here, these sansha rats shoot kinetic/explosive missiles so going only EM/Thermal resists will actually lower your total tank against these rats. And yes, T2 purgers will help, but ultimately your tank will fail, any solo ship's tank will fail, and this is one of the easiest sites I've encountered, I mean there's some where there's close to 20 rats initially, and this was only 1 BS and 3 cruisers that killed me. Adding a vulture for fleet bonus is no longer solo Originally by: Splastastic I'd suggest you read the blog again. It says incursions aren't meant for solo play and there are exact features to discourage solo play, like the toughness, no loot drops, next to nothing in salvage and the ratio system. The closer to a 1:1 ratio you are, the better loot you get, so why would not only spend hours in a single site, while getting no bounty, no loot and mitigated payout when/if completed? I know what the blog says, I've read it. I've also been on the test server a lot running the sites in groups, but this will not stop people from attempting to try them solo. I'm sure lvl 5's were intended for group work, but that doesn't stop people from running them in a rattlesnake solo. This same mentality will carry over to incursions at first. I already knew my rattlesnake would die, as its the test server I don't care, but I wanted to have 100% proof that there's no way to tank it solo.
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.11.16 00:48:00 - [5] You're forgetting the true definition of solo in EVE - just you and your multiple support alts. "Solo"ing these sites will not be difficult.
Dmoney3788 THE DISC	Posted - 2010.11.16 00:59:00 - [6] Originally by: omgfreemoniez You're forgetting the true definition of solo in EVE - just you and your multiple support alts. "Solo"ing these sites will not be difficult. Have you tried to run the sites, because I don't think you have. I lost a buffered Abaddon while getting reps from a guardian in these sites, so if someone comes in with their triple boxing lvl 5 setup (referring to 2 RR domis and a buffered DPS ship), once the rats switch aggro to one of the RR ships the whole setup is toast.
knickersoffalot	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Catari Taga Edited by: Catari Taga on 15/11/2010 23:04:48 You'd get a stronger tank fitting Sansha specific resists and more LSEs. Also T2 purgers, and depending on how heavy the neuting is a CN/DG invuln will nearly double your tank. Get KVA2000+KYA2000 hardwirings. Fleet anyone for gang bonus will further increase it. Get a Vulture with mindlink as gang booster for even more tank (you've probably tripled it by now). However, considering it is supposed to be group content, not being soloable sounds like a design goal here. If he fitted sansha specific tank he'd have popped quicker! they do all damage types EM/THERM from layzorz and KIN/EXP from missiles.
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere	Posted - 2010.11.16 01:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Catari Taga on 16/11/2010 01:23:26 Originally by: Dmoney3788 Adding a vulture for fleet bonus is no longer solo I think most people would disagree with that. Originally by: knickersoffalot If he fitted sansha specific tank he'd have popped quicker! they do all damage types EM/THERM from layzorz and KIN/EXP from missiles. Oh, sleeper style, fair enough. --
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.16 03:09:00 - [9] I was able to pull off the simplest sites solo, once I got the hang of it, and in a drake. Should be able to eat Sansha lunch in a rattle snake. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Vladimir Nabokov Rapid Response Rescue and Repair	Posted - 2010.11.16 04:03:00 - [10] I think the vanguard level sites are soloable. I watched a zealot clear out tons of rats in an easy site (it was all frig rats, maybe a cruiser or 2), till he messed up, got neuted and died.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.16 05:11:00 - [11] I'm leaning to vanguard sites not being soloable. Tried an Abso (which ripped through scout sites without even going into armor). Neuted, and could barely scratch the cruiser rats, before getting jammed. Tried the frigate heavy Commander site in a Nighthawk. Ripped apart, then neuted and jammed. Just tried a nano vagabond (with snake implants). Actually survived, but was low on cap and constantly jammed. Killed a grand total of nothing. Good news is that their warp disruption is actually at a sane range. Really it's the jamming and drone agro the gets you in those sites. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.16 06:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Culmen on 16/11/2010 06:14:44 UPDATE Ok, I was wrong, it IS POSSIBLE! Did the Sansha Commander Outpost in a speed tanked vagabond. The site was all frigates. I was able to kill everything but the last wave (which was identical in composition to waves i took down). I would have, but I was running out of ammo (5000 barrage was not enough) and down one drone. Got some random people to help. Things learned: Sansha Commander Outpost can be soloed in a nanoship It takes a hell of alot of time and ammo to do it Sanshas frigs encountered DID NOT warp scram at ridiculous range (30 km is a guesstimated max) Ditto with neuts Banshee Torps do jack while going at 3km/s+ But slightly more important Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Soloing a vanguard site is worthless, because the reward are actually lower then having 5 people The real trick was to stop thinking of incursion sanshas as rats to be tanked and ganked, but as well tanked PC ships with an odd aversion to warping out. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.11.16 13:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Culmen Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Are you sure about this? Were you in the same fleet as them, or separate fleets? Was the last guy still in system? Was he still in a pod by the time you finished the site? If you are able to remember, you will be a legend. Be a legend. I still think I will check later.
Aeo IV Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute	Posted - 2010.11.16 13:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Culmen The real trick was to stop thinking of incursion sanshas as rats to be tanked and ganked, but as well tanked PC ships with an odd aversion to warping out. I'd like to see what sort of set up allows these rats to do what they do...
Ogogov Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.16 15:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Aeo IV Originally by: Culmen The real trick was to stop thinking of incursion sanshas as rats to be tanked and ganked, but as well tanked PC ships with an odd aversion to warping out. I'd like to see what sort of set up allows these rats to do what they do... apparently the rats are based on player fits according to the dev blog.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.11.16 17:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Culmen [list] Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Also of note, if you do loose a ship and hang out to watch, you also do not get paid. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Dmoney3788 THE DISC	Posted - 2010.11.16 17:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Culmen [list] Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Also of note, if you do loose a ship and hang out to watch, you also do not get paid. So basically, if you die, grab a frig quick and come back and MWD around in the room.
Vladimir Nabokov Rapid Response Rescue and Repair	Posted - 2010.11.16 20:19:00 - [18] Speaking of getting paid, how exactly did you guys get the reward? I soloed a couple of sites (Distress Beacon, Propaganda) in a Vanguard-class staging system (Kehara) and got no reward. Just a dialog telling me that the objective was completed. So, 1 - maybe staging system gives no rewards? 2 - maybe have to be in a fleet to get reward? I checked my journal and wallet, no concord LP or money payout.
Jack bubu Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.11.16 20:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Vladimir Nabokov Speaking of getting paid, how exactly did you guys get the reward? I soloed a couple of sites (Distress Beacon, Propaganda) in a Vanguard-class staging system (Kehara) and got no reward. Just a dialog telling me that the objective was completed. So, 1 - maybe staging system gives no rewards? 2 - maybe have to be in a fleet to get reward? I checked my journal and wallet, no concord LP or money payout. Read this -> http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=819
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.16 20:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Grideris Originally by: Culmen Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Are you sure about this? Were you in the same fleet as them, or separate fleets? Was the last guy still in system? Was he still in a pod by the time you finished the site If you are able to remember, you will be a legend. Be a legend. I still think I will check later. Well there were 10 people in fleet but not on grid. I'm know of at least one who was in system. So am I a legend? and further more why do i even need a sig?
Vladimir Nabokov Rapid Response Rescue and Repair	Posted - 2010.11.16 23:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Jack bubu Read this -> http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=819 The post says rewards are given to the fleet with the most participation. As I was solo, there was no competition. I checked the journal again and realized I had to load the data to show results, and found both sites were disqualified because I was not in a fleet.
Dmoney3788 THE DISC	Posted - 2010.11.17 01:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Vladimir Nabokov Originally by: Jack bubu Read this -> http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=819 The post says rewards are given to the fleet with the most participation. As I was solo, there was no competition. I checked the journal again and realized I had to load the data to show results, and found both sites were disqualified because I was not in a fleet. Yup, I went and did some belt ratting, which apparently is considered the easiest site class and I was not previously aware of this. But yeah, started solo not in a fleet and didn't get the lp and isk because I wasn't in a fleet. Made my own fleet and got the bonuses, although they're pretty wimpy.
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.11.17 09:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Grideris Originally by: Culmen Payouts are determined by WHO WAS ON GRID, there were three of us, one got popped and warped out, payout was for two Are you sure about this? Were you in the same fleet as them, or separate fleets? Was the last guy still in system? Was he still in a pod by the time you finished the site If you are able to remember, you will be a legend. Be a legend. I still think I will check later. Well there were 10 people in fleet but not on grid. I'm know of at least one who was in system. So am I a legend? A legend is Culmen.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.11.17 12:32:00 - [24] So warp cloaked into site being done by other people. Unlcoak 200km off them , just before the last npc pops . Rip the reward ????
Jack bubu Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.11.17 16:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Dmoney3788 Originally by: Vladimir Nabokov Originally by: Jack bubu Read this -> http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=819 The post says rewards are given to the fleet with the most participation. As I was solo, there was no competition. I checked the journal again and realized I had to load the data to show results, and found both sites were disqualified because I was not in a fleet. Yup, I went and did some belt ratting, which apparently is considered the easiest site class and I was not previously aware of this. But yeah, started solo not in a fleet and didn't get the lp and isk because I wasn't in a fleet. Made my own fleet and got the bonuses, although they're pretty wimpy. That is not what im talking about Quote: Depending on the player numbers in the most contributing fleet. A ratio is calculated from the total number of active fleet players in the site and how many players this site is from. The closer, the better. obligatory picture http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/Incursion_journal_encounterreport.jpg as you can see for fleets smaller then 7 players there is almost no to none payout.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Dmoney3788 Took this into an easy incursion (1 BS, 3 cruisers initially): [Rattlesnake, incursion running] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Explosion Dampening Amplifier II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Garde II x5 EFT gives me around a 1250 DPS tank with my skills, just under 1500 max skilled. In about 2 minutes the rats melted my rattlesnake. I felt like if I had all lvl 5 relevant skills I could have survived, up until 3 frig bomber rats spawned as well, but they didn't start shooting me because I popped before they could get in range. Now, I took a screenshot of my resists in a system with incursions, and then used the lowered resists so I could fit crappier deadspace mods to match the lowered resists, after I did that, which i matched the resists within 0.1%, my resultant tank was somewhere around 1050 DPS omni. Some quick facts: -some rats neut, so solo you'd need a fully passive setup -the sites are gated, so you can't bring in caps, even if you are lucky enough to have one in system -the rats do all 4 damage types, as the lasers shoot EM/Thermal and they shoot kinetic/explosive missiles, so omni tank is needed -the site I tried solo is one of the easiest sites compared to other sites I've run in groups, which some can have 20 incursion rats in it. -this rattlesnake has tanked lvl 5's with ease With that in mind I don't think there's a setup out there (besides upgrading the setup I posted to pithum A-type expl and T2 purger rigs) that can top a fully passive omni rattlesnake tank. So I conclude that its impossible to solo incursion sites, even the easy ones. You have a laughably low dps tank. Try a serious 5k-7k+ dps tank, then we can talk. You probably still won't be able to run the sites due to the rats RRing eachother, but please don't come here they can't be soloed due to dps. _________________ --- Snatch Victory - Rivqua - Omega Wing ---
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.11.17 22:16:00 - [27] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/11/2010 22:18:52 Judging from this: Linkage it is possible to do the easiest sites alone, but the reward is cut in half (in reality 1/4 as 1 pilots get half of the rewards of a 2 pilots fleet). BTW: remember to add the Sansha incursion ships to your overview too.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.19 04:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Dmoney3788 Originally by: omgfreemoniez You're forgetting the true definition of solo in EVE - just you and your multiple support alts. "Solo"ing these sites will not be difficult. Have you tried to run the sites, because I don't think you have. I lost a buffered Abaddon while getting reps from a guardian in these sites, so if someone comes in with their triple boxing lvl 5 setup (referring to 2 RR domis and a buffered DPS ship), once the rats switch aggro to one of the RR ships the whole setup is toast. Sounds like a WH with sleepers...

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