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SomeHardLovin The Boondock Saints	Posted - 2010.11.18 18:57:00 - [1] I recently got BC V trained and was thinking Command Ships looked interesting. I'm hearing though that basically, for PVP, there are better things to fly. My understanding was that they had more DPS and much better tank which sounded promising. Not so? --- Bring forth the Assault Frigate apocalypse!
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.18 20:14:00 - [2] Commands are pretty much the best for pvp, can't do much better other than T3s which are about equal, except they have more agility and speed and are smaller but cost more.
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2010.11.18 21:09:00 - [3] Fine as is (c) Zulupark, 2008 or 2009. Yet they decided it's a good idea to add tech3, which are better at about everything. Pricetag? Those extra 100-200 mil are of no difference whatsoever. Join the tech3 bandwagon and save youself a hassle of bothering with gimped ships. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Mister Eskimo	Posted - 2010.11.18 21:21:00 - [4] Command ships are great for fleet boosting, and in some cases very good PvE ships. Most have great tanks and not much else. Sleipnir is pretty much the only CS worth a damn in PvP, all the rest are severely lacking in their DPS compared to the much much cheaper BCs. That said, BC5 is a great skill and well worth the time as it applies to ALL BC hulls.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.18 21:59:00 - [5] Originally by: SomeHardLovin I recently got BC V trained and was thinking Command Ships looked interesting. I'm hearing though that basically, for PVP, there are better things to fly. My understanding was that they had more DPS and much better tank which sounded promising. Not so? If you think you can afford them, I believe that T3s are a better return for your SP. Echoing the advice to train BC 5 anyway. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.11.18 22:03:00 - [6] I hear that you use Command Ships for lvl 5 missions, to take the punishment as primary, and let your fleet of 1 or 2 other DPS ships do the rest. This is just what I've heard. Could be wrong, usually am ;)
Dresdor	Posted - 2010.11.18 22:04:00 - [7] command ships have the misfortune of being nice juicy targets for PVP. That said, so do tech 3's (something about price makes people want to kill stuff...killboards maybe?)
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2010.11.18 22:37:00 - [8] I'd recommend you not use a T3. I know a lot of people don't have this objection, but personally my skillpoints only move in one direction and that direction is UP. T3 is a little better than a command ship, but can't fit all three links, has a similar tank, similar damage, and if you die you lose SP and it costs more.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2010.11.18 22:39:00 - [9] Most people will take a solo CS for a long and hard, but a sure, kill. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2010.11.18 22:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Anubis Xian Most people will take a solo CS for a long and hard, but a sure, kill. Aye, if you want to go solo get in a recon instead. For a gang a CS for solo a Recon, never a T3 hehe.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.11.19 04:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Asuka Smith I'd recommend you not use a T3. I know a lot of people don't have this objection, but personally my skillpoints only move in one direction and that direction is UP. I've lost close to a dozen T3s since they've been released and have never lost SPs. Ejecting from your ship works wonders.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.11.19 04:36:00 - [12] T3's also give better fleet boostings than CSs. So... they make better command ships than Command Ships...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.11.19 05:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Asuka Smith I'd recommend you not use a T3. I know a lot of people don't have this objection, but personally my skillpoints only move in one direction and that direction is UP. T3 is a little better than a command ship, but can't fit all three links, has a similar tank, similar damage, and if you die you lose SP and it costs more. if you are fleet boosting best to be at a pos or in a safespot imo.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.19 05:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Anubis Xian Most people will take a solo CS for a long and hard, but a sure, kill. Aye, if you want to go solo get in a recon instead. For a gang a CS for solo a Recon, never a T3 hehe. T3's are awesome for solo. Fun > a couple of days of skillpoint training. Besides if your smart you'll be PvP'ing in a cloaky T3 and should never lose a fight since you get to pick every one. IMO T3 cloaky is the king of solo pvp. Sig --- Quote: Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. ... That's the whole point of high security.
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.11.19 08:10:00 - [15] Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj Commands are pretty much the best for pvp, can't do much better other than T3s which are about equal, except they have more agility and speed and are smaller, but cost more and cause loss of skill when popped. Fixed that for you. I.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.19 19:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 19/11/2010 19:15:58 Originally by: Asuka Smith I'd recommend you not use a T3. I know a lot of people don't have this objection, but personally my skillpoints only move in one direction and that direction is UP. T3 is a little better than a command ship, but can't fit all three links, has a similar tank, similar damage, and if you die you lose SP and it costs more. You can fit 4 links on an unprobeable Tengu. Great for a boosting alt. [Tengu, W-Space Command Tengu] Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Command Processor I Command Processor I Command Processor I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Tengu Defensive - Warfare Processor Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.11.19 23:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Tau Cabalander You can fit 4 links on an unprobeable Tengu. Great for a boosting alt. The OP is not interested in sitting at a safe spot. The best CS for boosting a fleet while engaged in combat with them is the Claymore. It can bring near-HAC DPS and a tank to match while providing excellent boosts for a small gang. Cost of the hull is lower than almost any HAC, too. It also works great as a T2 Cyclone.
Led Zeppelin420	Posted - 2010.11.20 00:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Anubis Xian Most people will take a solo CS for a long and hard, but a sure, kill. Aye, if you want to go solo get in a recon instead. For a gang a CS for solo a Recon, never a T3 hehe. My Falcon does pretty good in gangs to :)
Sjugar	Posted - 2010.11.20 00:10:00 - [19] Edited by: Sjugar on 20/11/2010 00:10:19 Damnations are pretty much a prerequisite for flying successful AHAC fleets. They've got a very good tank and it's the bonuses that make those nasty zealots that much harder to kill. You better have maxed out leadership skill though.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5 Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.11.20 15:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Target Painter I've lost close to a dozen T3s since they've been released and have never lost SPs*. Ejecting from your ship works wonders. I'm amused by the fact that you think not losing SP is more significant than your loss of a dozen T3 ships. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.20 17:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Dr Cron Originally by: Target Painter I've lost close to a dozen T3s since they've been released and have never lost SPs*. Ejecting from your ship works wonders. I'm amused by the fact that you think not losing SP is more significant than your loss of a dozen T3 ships. ISK < SP in some circles? Hardly a bizarre stance.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.11.20 21:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Dr Cron I'm amused by the fact that you think not losing SP is more significant than your loss of a dozen T3 ships. Billions of ISK lost over 18 months, I'm ruined, just ruined!
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5 Hydroponic Zone	Posted - 2010.11.20 23:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Dr Cron I'm amused by the fact that you think not losing SP is more significant than your loss of a dozen T3 ships. Billions of ISK lost over 18 months, I'm ruined, just ruined! Its ok kiddo, not everyones meant to be good at the game. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist

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