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Nisa Darksoul
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:55:00 -
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meh, I'm a borderline poor/middle class trader.
managed to buy 30 procs for 3 mil a pop and sell them for around 500m total on Aug 4th. I was happy.
as for proc prices now, I'm guessing CCP will eventually make the mining barges reprocess into their build minerals a year or two from now or something. Right now the only people who will be hurting are those who are going to try to manufacture procs and rettys right now. The market will be flooded with procs built and bought below cost and so traders will undercut those people who started manufacturing before the patch.
End advice - don't build new procs and rettys now - you've missed it. However if you did managed to get your hands on some (or apparently 5400) then you've won. Gratz. Anyone also catch the buff to the speedy T1 frigates? Those have also gone up in price from teiricide :D tho i only managed to get like 30 of them... yay 15m profit :P |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:41:00 -
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Nisa Darksoul wrote: However if you did managed to get your hands on some (or apparently 5400) then you've won. Gratz. P
highly depends on when they will come out of poduction ;)
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Riyal
Chode Extravaganza
47
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Posted - 2012.08.10 08:09:00 -
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I'm not too fussed about the timeline on offloading the cheaply manufactured barges. It wasn't a quick isk maker, more a long term investment.
Maybe CCP will intergrate the extra minerals on the blueprints at some point, although the POS modules still have the materials as as extra? So thats not a good sign. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
354
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Posted - 2012.08.10 08:17:00 -
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Katria DeRaene wrote:Charles Baker wrote:You know people had been manipulating this since the changes were on SISI and before? i mean **** people have been cashing out at the new price for days before the patch actually hit. I have been following all that very closely. There was a big inflation and so on. Point is no one was warned about the the material change, those change were not on sissi. Surprise. But maybe you are all too lazy, you should be ashame to post in total ignorance. How long does it take to pull a bpo or a bpc and check the **** out? Really this forum keep loosing feathers as years goes by.
Is this realy true? Might be worth a petition to see if dev intll got leaked out and used for personal advantage...
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
559
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:20:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Katria DeRaene wrote:Charles Baker wrote:You know people had been manipulating this since the changes were on SISI and before? i mean **** people have been cashing out at the new price for days before the patch actually hit. I have been following all that very closely. There was a big inflation and so on. Point is no one was warned about the the material change, those change were not on sissi. Surprise. But maybe you are all too lazy, you should be ashame to post in total ignorance. How long does it take to pull a bpo or a bpc and check the **** out? Really this forum keep loosing feathers as years goes by. Is this realy true? Might be worth a petition to see if dev intll got leaked out and used for personal advantage...
Well, this forum post suggests otherwise.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138739
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
630
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:17:00 -
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The changes weren't in the devblog or even (as I recall) in the patch notes but they were definitely on sisi.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:34:00 -
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I kind of like that the procurer market will be glutted for some time. The more investments that pay off on a timeframe thats longer than normal, the better for the mega-rich who can afford to have capital locked up for those lengths of time. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
525
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:46:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:I kind of like that the procurer market will be glutted for some time. The more investments that pay off on a timeframe thats longer than normal, the better for the mega-rich who can afford to have capital locked up for those lengths of time.
^This
Confirming I have 10.2k in build. When you have trillions, you don't invest for the short term. You find no brainer hits, pile a few 10's of billions into it, and slowly cash out over time. We spend a great deal of our time forecasting game mechanics and multi year speculation. No one cares that there are now years of procurer stocks out there except the little guys, and they are sold out of the market soon enough anyway.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2012.08.10 16:23:00 -
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The only downside to somewhat depressed barge prices is that no one will want to buy my Procurer BPOs. :-/
I have not been to ORE space since patch... can anyone confirm the NPC price for Procurer BPO is actually 1.4B now?
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2012.08.11 14:53:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:corestwo wrote:
average number traded before the patch is irrelevant as before the patch they were useless for anything but building skiffs.
You give far far too much credit for the average eve player. Do I now. Quote:15 Mar John Turbefield GÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
Mining barges being flown by active chars: Retriever 7009, Covetor 2981, Procurer 450.
Just yesterday alone I had 25 people tell me that CCP nerfed their mining ships. Their cargo hold is so tiny it can not hold any ore they tell me. Now I say look at your ore hold. What ore hold they ask?
Care to revise your thinking at all.
I find 90% of the players in EVE only source of knowledge is what they learn in chat.
Then many players do not explain all of the subtle differences in chat either.
So these 90% of EVE players only have basic game knowledge and do not even apply that very well.
Point in fact, it is not only miners, I was a target of a gank attempt yesterday as well in my retriever.
A cata tried and failed and it was fit to gank an old style retriever.
A ganker that missed the memo.
So yes you give eve players far far too much credit.
What I really mean by this, before it was easy, if you are a miner you trained for the hulk the best miner.
It was common chat room knowledge. Now each miner has a purpose, which means one size does not fit all.
So every miner has to pick which one fits them. What they have to think about this and apply knowledge that they do not have to begin with? They only want to be told in chat what ship to use and what is the best loadout for it.
Read and learn about the differences is too hard, then make their own choice, and the fittings can be different as well, depending on use, now you just threw them for another loop.
And we are not talking about noob players either as most of these guys have hulks and have been using them for 6 months or more.
Yea far far too much credit.
Herr Hammer Draken
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.08.11 15:27:00 -
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Only yesterday someone was telling me the hulk is the best solo miner. And flying between belts I see so many of them mining alone. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
275
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Posted - 2012.08.11 18:06:00 -
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Outside the market hubs retriever prices are well above new build costs already.
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Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2012.08.12 00:54:00 -
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Honestly one of the worst troll posts I've seen. |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:43:00 -
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corestwo wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:corestwo wrote:
average number traded before the patch is irrelevant as before the patch they were useless for anything but building skiffs.
avg. traded numbers NOW are irrelevant since they all done by speculation. I agree that the demand will change after its an overhauled ship now, but they also die a lot less now Considering that there will be simply so many ships on the market soon, it doesnt matter if 100, 200 or 1000 get sold per day, it will still be highly inflatened Indeed. More reasonable long term estimate for actual usage would be to look at covetors prior to the start of patch speculation.
Don't limit yourself to thinking the Procurer will only be sold to miners.
The new Procurer is already being used as a can-flipper and bait ship. The darn thing packs a full flight of light drones (which do some nice DPS when coupled with a pair of drone damage amplifiers) and a hefty tank.
Who knows what other use someone will come up with for it? Maybe we'll even see them in the next Alliance Tournament... lol. |
Aegis Kay Unknown
Claritech
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:46:00 -
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Barges are too cheap.
Minerals are getting too cheap.
Fuel is going to be way too cheap.
PLEX will go up in value as a result.
CCP win.
Not a bright future for those wanting to play for free... |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
633
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:38:00 -
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Procurer BPOs are underpriced too, since as it turns out CCP did increase their base price, but they just allowed the market price to rise instead of setting it. Eve Central has em up around 1.2b in outer ring, and apparently the baseprice in the database is 1.4 so they should rise some more.
Course when all those blueprints in build come out and need to be disposed of that might change a thing or two...though they won't be visible on the market, at least.
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Dersk
90040045
115
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Posted - 2012.08.17 21:02:00 -
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Aegis Kay Unknown wrote:Barges are too cheap.
Minerals are getting too cheap.
Fuel is going to be way too cheap.
PLEX will go up in value as a result.
CCP win.
Not a bright future for those wanting to play for free...
Had you been in the business of building stuff for miners (mackinaws, strip miners, crystals, etc) you could be playing free for a very long time.
Giving other people what they want when they want it is still a very profitable business.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
279
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Posted - 2012.08.17 21:44:00 -
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Being an Incursion runner I find myself doing ALOT of traveling across all the HI SEC empire space... looks like to me retrievers lowest prices are very rarely under 20M & often in the 30's. I'm surprised how quickly the prices caught up & wish I had bought more them 20 of them at 12 million the day b4 the change
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
636
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Posted - 2012.08.17 21:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Being an Incursion runner I find myself doing ALOT of traveling across all the HI SEC empire space... looks like to me retrievers lowest prices are very rarely under 20M & often in the 30's. I'm surprised how quickly the prices caught up & wish I had bought more them 20 of them at 12 million the day b4 the change
prices in bum**** nowhere are pretty irrelevant, Jita is still barely 20m for retrievers. Procurers are on the rise but that'll be crushed in short order starting in a couple weeks when the first big batches start coming out...
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Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:01:00 -
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I agree with corestwo on this. I've got 2700 retrievers coming out September 10th. Moving them to far off places is no trivial matter. |
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mactera
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:05:00 -
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I'm currently building 24k procurer and 10k retriever. I didn't expect to sell any of those ships before at least two years passed.
However, especially the procurer price will probably drop below its reprocessing value soon and wonGÇÖt rise above it for many years. I might end up reprocessing the procurers eventually. Too many people jumped on the bandwagon. People probably build enough procurers for the next 20 years. Without inflation thatGÇÖs an interest rate of only 11% per year. Also who knows whatGÇÖs going to happen to mining barges within the next 20 years anyway. The game is only 10 years old after all.
The retriever price on the other hand has more realistic chances to reach the new material prices within a few years I guess.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
637
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:40:00 -
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mactera wrote:I'm currently building 24k procurer and 10k retriever. I didn't expect to sell any of those ships before at least two years passed.
However, especially the procurer price will probably drop below its reprocessing value soon and wonGÇÖt rise above it for many years. I might end up reprocessing the procurers eventually. Too many people jumped on the bandwagon. People probably build enough procurers for the next 20 years. Without inflation thatGÇÖs an interest rate of only 11% per year. Also who knows whatGÇÖs going to happen to mining barges within the next 20 years anyway. The game is only 10 years old after all.
The retriever price on the other hand has more realistic chances to reach the new material prices within a few years I guess.
I strongly, strongly encourage you to reprocess the ships as soon as possible.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
355
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:20:00 -
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Aegis Kay Unknown wrote:Barges are too cheap.
Minerals are getting too cheap.
Fuel is going to be way too cheap.
PLEX will go up in value as a result.
CCP win.
Not a bright future for those wanting to play for free...
But what happends if those people run out of isk? They dont want to pay for this game obvius.... So they simply quit. I think for any long tern addict ccp need to recruit atleast 5 peoplle.
On short term ccp wins, on long term ccp loses
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