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medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 02:59:00 - [1] Hey. I just started playing again, I don't have that much experience right now. I'm a Gallente with about 1.2M SP.
Akiba Penrose Banana Airlines	Posted - 2010.11.28 03:05:00 - [2] Hi there medicX. Personally i find loads of Jack Daniels help with my pvp skills.
medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 04:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Akiba Penrose Hi there medicX. Personally i find loads of Jack Daniels help with my pvp skills. Lol...I'll keep that one in mind.
Haseo Arashi	Posted - 2010.11.28 06:53:00 - [4] Get a vexor.
medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 15:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Haseo Arashi Get a vexor. I looked around on the wiki and said an Incursor was also good.
Mara Abraham Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.28 17:05:00 - [6] Greetings: Buy 20 to 100 t1 frigates, fit them out in various styles based on Scrap Heap Challenge and Battle Clinic. Then go roaming. For drone ships, don't forget the drone ;-) Learn pvp game mechanics (session timers, tactical book marks, getting through gate camps, scouting, other ships capabilities so you have a decent idea of what you might be able to take or not, etc.) before going up to more expensive ships. In terms of following my own advice, even after several months of PVP including faction warfare (which is a blast), I still mainly fly frigate and destroyer size hulls most of the time. Thank you.
medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 19:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Mara Abraham Greetings: Buy 20 to 100 t1 frigates, fit them out in various styles based on Scrap Heap Challenge and Battle Clinic. Then go roaming. For drone ships, don't forget the drone ;-) Learn pvp game mechanics (session timers, tactical book marks, getting through gate camps, scouting, other ships capabilities so you have a decent idea of what you might be able to take or not, etc.) before going up to more expensive ships. In terms of following my own advice, even after several months of PVP including faction warfare (which is a blast), I still mainly fly frigate and destroyer size hulls most of the time. Thank you. How do you suggest I start to get into Faction Warfare? Also, can a T1 Frigate do for Faction Warfare?
Roosterton Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.11.28 19:48:00 - [8] All you need is at least 0.50 standings with the Gallente Federation, then you can join Gallente FW at any Gallente-owned station. And yes, most people in FW fly cheap t1 ships. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 19:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Roosterton All you need is at least 0.50 standings with the Gallente Federation, then you can join Gallente FW at any Gallente-owned station. And yes, most people in FW fly cheap t1 ships. Cool, so how can I find a fleet and other things like that?
Roosterton Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.11.28 22:48:00 - [10] Originally by: medicX Edited by: medicX on 28/11/2010 20:07:07 Originally by: Roosterton All you need is at least 0.50 standings with the Gallente Federation, then you can join Gallente FW at any Gallente-owned station. And yes, most people in FW fly cheap t1 ships. Cool, so how can I find a fleet for FW and other things like that? Once you are in Fw, there will be a "militia" chat channel where people will organize fleets and such. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

medicX Gallente Whiskey Loners Whiskey Loners Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.28 23:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Roosterton Originally by: medicX Edited by: medicX on 28/11/2010 20:07:07 Originally by: Roosterton All you need is at least 0.50 standings with the Gallente Federation, then you can join Gallente FW at any Gallente-owned station. And yes, most people in FW fly cheap t1 ships. Cool, so how can I find a fleet for FW and other things like that? Once you are in Fw, there will be a "militia" chat channel where people will organize fleets and such. Awesome, heading to Villore now.
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.29 01:15:00 - [12] Yes, learn how to pvp in an Incursus. When you know what you are doing and have gotten some kills, train for better drones and get in a Vexor.
Misticrevalation Solar Investment Group	Posted - 2010.11.29 01:32:00 - [13] The biggest mistake a lot of people (including myself) make when starting EVE is that bigger ship = better PVP. As a new player, you won't be dealing a lot of damage, but there are other things you can do, such as taking the role of the "tackler". The outcome of many battles has been decided because that lone frigate pilot has kept the big ship warp-scrambled. A fast frigate can do belt PVP within 1-2 weeks, so focus on that. Train for T2 guns and ammo, and don't rush your way through ships. I did, and it was a big mistake. ----------------------------------------- SIG Freight Service - Need something moved? We'll do it.
medicX Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.11.29 01:57:00 - [14] Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj Yes, learn how to pvp in an Incursus. When you know what you are doing and have gotten some kills, train for better drones and get in a Vexor. Where can I go to practice this?
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.29 06:44:00 - [15] Originally by: medicX Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj Yes, learn how to pvp in an Incursus. When you know what you are doing and have gotten some kills, train for better drones and get in a Vexor. Where can I go to practice this? Well, I learned to PVP in Amamake, but it hasn't been a great place lately. So to tell the truth I can't really say. I have spent the last few months in 0.0 space. I remember a couple years ago, when I was an extreme noob, I was in Rancer, trying to pvp. Anyway, there were a lot of pirates there and I died a lot because I didn't know what I was doing. Anyway so yeah try one of those systems or you could also ask in the help channel or something where a good system to pvp in is. If you need help with a chip fitting you can ask in this thread or you can go to battleclinic.com and browse the loadouts there.
Xi 'xar	Posted - 2010.11.29 08:51:00 - [16] The generally accepted ways to get into PvP are: - Join either factional warfare (FW) or Red vs Blue (RvB). - Buy as many low cost frigates as you can and go pick fights in popular lowsec. - Join a pvp corporation that accepts new players. I suggest a combination of the above, with a preference for starting off with RvB and moving into lowsec or a pvp corp as you go. The fights in RvB are semi-staged and there is no podding, which makes for some decent experience without losing too much to quickly. Some people will warn you against RvB because it is semi-staged and there is no podding (which can lead to bad habits), but as long as you realise that PvP goes beyond RvB you should be fine. Good luck. Its always good to see a newer player realising that he can actually pvp, despite the words of the naysayers.
Nicky's Tomb	Posted - 2010.11.29 13:14:00 - [17] Solo PvP as a beginner sucks, trust me I tried and failed. If you take a ship capable of dealing real damage against anything bigger than a frigate your just a bigger target for experienced PvPers and if you get ganked it's pod time. If you fly a frigate you can avoid getting shot with some smarts and skills, but after you are orbiting your prey and have him scrammed their isn't much you can do with 2 T2 rails against anything larger than another frigate.... which probably will be able to hit you even when orbiting close at full tilt. So, join corp, FW or somewhere else were you can fleet PvP. Start with roles such as: * Tackle - as the name suggests while the enemy are targeting your prime targets, you get in close and tackle theirs with points, ECM, painter, webs etc. This keeps them from getting out of your fleets proper guns. * Scout - You generally warp ahead of the fleet, jump through gates as bait or sacrifice to see how big the fleet on the other side is without the rest of the fleet risking it's ass. You can also warp around the system pretty using your DS to hunt down lurking/hiding enemy fleets or individuals and call in the rest of the fleet. Both are very valid roles that any fleet commander would sorely miss if he had neither.
Gee Rifter	Posted - 2010.11.29 13:42:00 - [18] For the people that recommend jumping into low immediately, how do you handle security status issues?
Wensley Minmatar Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.29 14:11:00 - [19] Run missions or rat to keep you in ships and to keep your sec status up to the point where you can go into high security space to resupply. To get started in frigate PvP check out http://www.rifterdrifter.com/rifter-pvp-guide/. It is mostly aimed at Rifters but will teach you the basic combat mechanics and tactics you can use in any frigate.
Obsession Paranoia	Posted - 2010.11.29 14:11:00 - [20] Join a Corp that runs small ops. 10 man gangs roaming for war targets or roaming popular lowsec. RvB is trash, destroying 10 frigates a night in controlled conditions is boring and a waste of time, and you won't learn anything applicable in the real fighting.

Gee Rifter	Posted - 2010.11.29 14:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Wensley Run missions or rat to keep you in ships and to keep your sec status up to the point where you can go into high security space to resupply. Would missioning actually work with this, if you just went between lowsec and highsec and kept your status at around -2?
Mara Abraham Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.29 14:50:00 - [22] Greetings medicX: Welcome back to the game. For PVP, I suggest getting a lot of T1 frigates, fitting them out in different methods based on scrap heap challenge and battle clinic, and then learning pvp game mechanics. The Rifter Drifter guide is among the best I've ever read. If you want lots of PVP in a more relaxed, casual play, environment, consider Gallente or Minmatar faction warfare. Thank you.
Gee Rifter	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Gee Rifter Originally by: Wensley Run missions or rat to keep you in ships and to keep your sec status up to the point where you can go into high security space to resupply. Would missioning actually work with this, if you just went between lowsec and highsec and kept your status at around -2? What I mean by this, is that I've seen very slow increases in sec status from missioning, though I haven't run a lot of L4s.
SabotNoob	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:30:00 - [24] How is security status handled in PvP? I'm assuming you take a hit in the empire region you are in when you go into one of its lowsec areas to do some PvP, and you have to mission/rat to bring it back up, correct? ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Cikulisuy Amarr D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.11.29 18:33:00 - [25] Originally by: SabotNoob How is security status handled in PvP? I'm assuming you take a hit in the empire region you are in when you go into one of its lowsec areas to do some PvP, and you have to mission/rat to bring it back up, correct? assuming you are attacking people unprovoked, yes. not that that can't easily be handled by doing a few missions here and there. ~
SabotNoob	Posted - 2010.11.29 19:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Cikulisuy Originally by: SabotNoob How is security status handled in PvP? I'm assuming you take a hit in the empire region you are in when you go into one of its lowsec areas to do some PvP, and you have to mission/rat to bring it back up, correct? assuming you are attacking people unprovoked, yes. not that that can't easily be handled by doing a few missions here and there. So if they agro you first, and you fight back and kill them, you're ok on security status? ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:20:00 - [27] Originally by: SabotNoob How is security status handled in PvP? I'm assuming you take a hit in the empire region you are in when you go into one of its lowsec areas to do some PvP, and you have to mission/rat to bring it back up, correct? Just to make sure it's clear: you take a hit to security status, that is, your status with CONCORD, not with any empire faction. Pirating in Minmatar lowsec doesn't injure your standings with the Minmatar Republic, for exmple. ...
Sith Archangel Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:23:00 - [28] Extra done TY @~;--'~,~~~~~~~~~
equincu ocha Monsters	Posted - 2010.11.30 14:59:00 - [29] First off Wensley's rifter guide will help out a lot, so read a few times Where to start really depends on what you really want out of pvp, If you are looking for lots of pvp with a lot of kills in a large gang then do what everyone here seems to like and go with faction warfare, red vs blue, or ever eve uni. any of them will get you lots of kills and help out while you are new (so i've heard) But if you are looking to become a good pilot, solo and in small gang situations (most fun in my opinion) the go to lowsec and find some pirates. Now you can either join them or ask for 1v1's, you'd be suprised how many of us keep t1 frigs around and are willing to 1v1. this will do 3 things for you 1. you will almost always find a fight, most of us do honor 1v1's (don't get discouraged if they don't honor it though) 2. you will get more experience faster by fighting good pilots (yes not all pirates are good pilots) in 1v1 or small gang situations than in the large gangs. 3.you won't lose sec stat by fighting pirates You will learn 100 times more by fighting a good pilot and losing than fighting a noob in a belt and winning Now I'm not saying you can't become a good pilot in fac war (i'm sure they have a few), i'm just saying you will progress faster if you stay away from the large gangs at first. it doesn't take skill to be in a large fleet, it does take skill to be good in a small gang SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM
Wensley Minmatar Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.01 11:25:00 - [30] The way to avoid massive security penalties is not to pod people. If you just shoot their ships then you should be able to keep things in place by running the odd mission and killing rats as you roam. In fact ratting while you roam is a pretty nice way of funding early PvP: if you look all nooby in a belt someone is bound to come sniffing sooner or later. As for where to go hunting in low sec then the obvious places are Amamake or Old Man Star but don't forget that these systems are full of sharks. You might be better looking at the lowsec around the system that you started in. There will be plenty of people venturing into there for you to hunt. Joining a corp that will help you is about the best advice anyone can give. Ask around in the recruitment channel, hang around in a few public channels, and find a good fit.



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