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Mr EoW
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:20:00 -
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How much are people going to pay for this today, excluding the targets in outer ring...
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 30/11/2010 13:24:24
500-600m in Jita 1 hour after the patch
450-500m tomorrow
400-450m next week
less than NPC price for researched ones in 6 months once people start selling Noctis built with free minerals from free loot they gathered with Noctis 
or something close
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Mahijawanna
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Posted - 2010.11.30 13:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 30/11/2010 13:24:24
500-600m in Jita 1 hour after the patch
450-500m tomorrow
400-450m next week
less than NPC price for researched ones in 6 months once people start selling Noctis built with free minerals from free loot they gathered with Noctis
or something close
Clear as mud but it covers the ground
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Kondratiev on 30/11/2010 15:13:30
590m for a Noctis BPO in Jita atm, just as expected ! (even if it's crashing much faster than expected, it looks like everyone and his mother has been to outer ring and is trying to unload his stock in Jita)
Also buy orders for Noctis at 100m+ some people are in a hurry to get the first ones it seems 
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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:47:00 -
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I wonder who'll buy first BPC for BPO price  |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:48:00 -
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I'll be interested in seeing where it's at come the end of the day.
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holding pattern58
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: holding pattern58 on 30/11/2010 16:16:52
Sold one in Dodixie for 890mil. Of course I was one of the first people there to do so.
Edit - just sold one in Rens for 700mil. Pure gravy.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 30/11/2010 16:25:54
bough one in jita for 465m, 30mn ago, before the 1st price change.
currently 665 sell / 550 buy
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Swift Redemption
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:59:00 -
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Man, I've got so many pre-sold at 600..
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 17:06:00 -
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50 sold at 650 +
850 was the most i managed to get for one.
I expect alot of market manipulation to begin now.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.30 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Man, I've got so many pre-sold at 600..
You should have taken a token deposit. I bet you get more than a few people who walk away from the deal.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:34:00 -
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425m sell orders o_O
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Pantera Roz
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:47:00 -
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The Citadel / Yria III - Moon 6 - Corporate Police Force Assembly Plant
Noctis on contract is 280mil (1 item)
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2010.11.30 18:59:00 -
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What're the prices of noctis BPO's out in ORE stations?
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Python
What're the prices of noctis BPO's out in ORE stations?
390 million, and about that many people in local atm.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Swift Redemption
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:02:00 -
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Kalrand - I had a couple, but not nearly as many as anticipated, and I've been able to take those and ride the jita market to at least the amount I asked originally.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Kalrand - I had a couple, but not nearly as many as anticipated, and I've been able to take those and ride the jita market to at least the amount I asked originally.
Good job then.
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Locutus ofBorg
Caldari
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus
New Horizon Enterprise's
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Posted - 2010.11.30 19:41:00 -
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Offloaded 6 blueprints for 750mil in Amarr, was a very nice boost to my wallet.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:16:00 -
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Seen multiple sell orders under 425 already in Jita.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.11.30 21:27:00 -
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I don't see any legit orders ever going for less than 450-500m in high sec unless they are unloading overstock or just don't know any better.
Lots of BPC scams popped up ASAP, which is the 400-425m you are seeing.
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Mira Merdan
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Posted - 2010.12.01 05:48:00 -
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Someone mentioned there where more then 3100BPO's sold from NPC's so far.
If even half of them make it into Production i wonder how long it will take until the initial Demand is saturated.
With an assumend Output of 8 Ships per BPO per Day, and 1500 BPO's used for Production (which may or may not be wrong) thats 12k Ships a day.
At this rate within a Month there would enough of them Built for EVERYONE. So i wonder what other people think how long margins on Noctis will stay high. One Week?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
I don't see any legit orders ever going for less than 450-500m in high sec unless they are unloading overstock or just don't know any better.
Lots of BPC scams popped up ASAP, which is the 400-425m you are seeing.
Hard to scam on the market. If someone is buying them from contracts, his problem.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.12.01 07:37:00 -
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Gave the mineral markets a decent nudge, not going to complain.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 12:10:00 -
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Noctis is down at 62m (was at 100-120m last night ?) which must be getting quite close to the ME 0 buildcost.
But still some smart guys must have managed to make a nice profit on production yesterday (and obviously on BPO sales according to some posts here), before the price went down to normal, congrats to them!
And many others probably wasted significant amounts of money, on first BPOs sold in Empire, for Noctis they could never sell at inflated price, but we still thank them for helping the market to adjust quickier
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.01 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/12/2010 13:43:13
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/12/2010 13:40:01
Originally by: Sig Sour
I don't see any legit orders ever going for less than 450-500m in high sec unless they are unloading overstock or just don't know any better.
Lots of BPC scams popped up ASAP, which is the 400-425m you are seeing.
Yep lots of contract scams were up right away. But I'm talking about BPO's on the market that went up around the time of my post. Saw several go for between 425 and 440 million isk. With T3's it's not hard to go get them and bring them back. While I love that it's easier to get stuff around the interdiction nullifier + covops cloak on a T3 is sickeningly overpowered ;) They're nigh unstoppable. Our corp's t3 pilots managed to run through about 9 camps on the way out of outer ring with the bpo's we picked up.
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
Noctis is down at 62m (was at 100-120m last night ?) which must be getting quite close to the ME 0 buildcost.
Actually build cost, assuming just grabbing mins off market w/o worrying about running around getting best prices possible, is right around 38mil so there's stil quite a bit of profit being made. But they're coming down fast. Pretty sure within the week they'll be down around a 5-10% margin just like every other ship out there.
The manufacturing guys are telling me they guestimate that once researched the noctis will be around 30-33mil build cost.... roughly. Barring any major fluctuations in mineral prices anyway. So figure they'll sell around 35mil once all is said and done and folks start getting them researched. Right now though folks are getting their initial investment back on their BPO's. Ours have already paid for themselves as we sold dozens of Nocti for over 120mil yesterday.
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Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:05:00 -
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Thanks for numbers, was too lazy to calc them myself since Noctis isn't in database dump yet
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.12.01 15:40:00 -
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Keep driving it into the ground guys my salvage alt will need one when her learnings are refunded.
Remember the minerals are free if you mined them!
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.12.01 16:45:00 -
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bpo market is totally dead now xD
hope the ship will still have some profits when my production is finished xD
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Sig Sour
I don't see any legit orders ever going for less than 450-500m in high sec unless they are unloading overstock or just don't know any better.
Lots of BPC scams popped up ASAP, which is the 400-425m you are seeing.
Hard to scam on the market. If someone is buying them from contracts, his problem.
Got one for 391.100.000 in Jita  . The big rush has ended.
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Cesar Menage
MenageTech
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Posted - 2010.12.02 08:31:00 -
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Damn that was a hell of a gold rush.
still selling Nocs before they drop to much
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.12.02 09:49:00 -
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Shortest post patch gold rush Ive seen. I think I may be among the top people who will have profited off that ships existence for the next year to come, and all I did was move grip loads of them in a T3. Didnt even keep one for myself.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.02 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Actually build cost, assuming just grabbing mins off market w/o worrying about running around getting best prices possible, is right around 38mil so there's stil quite a bit of profit being made. But they're coming down fast. Pretty sure within the week they'll be down around a 5-10% margin just like every other ship out there.
The manufacturing guys are telling me they guestimate that once researched the noctis will be around 30-33mil build cost.... roughly. Barring any major fluctuations in mineral prices anyway. So figure they'll sell around 35mil once all is said and done and folks start getting them researched. Right now though folks are getting their initial investment back on their BPO's. Ours have already paid for themselves as we sold dozens of Nocti for over 120mil yesterday.
hmm my spread sheet says 43.2m to build from an unresearched bpo using jita (herp derp) average prices from a day or two ago (30th I think?)
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Illectroculus Defined
Chooch Inc.
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
hmm my spread sheet says 43.2m to build from an unresearched bpo using jita (herp derp) average prices from a day or two ago (30th I think?)
It was 43 or thereabouts, but since the launch day the mad number of manufacturers has created enough demand for minerals that the cost to manufacture has risen. Meanwhile the price of a noctis has fallen and I'm seeing silly builders selling them for less that the build cost because they're not keeping their spreadsheets up to date.
Thankfully, I bought my minerals in the weeks running up to this, and I'm now making a nice profit selling those minerals at a nice markup over their purchase price.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Shortest post patch gold rush Ive seen.
Should have been here for Apoc. When all the probes changed, I (and I'm sure several hundred others) all had tons on identical bpos. I went from around 10 of each of the 4 different BPOs (snoop, ferret, and can't think of the other 2) to around 40 identical BPOs.
Still made around 1 bil in a few short hours selling very overpriced probes as everyone wanted to get into WH space 
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.12.03 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Should have been here for Apoc.
I was. Even when the probe stuff settled there was all the T3 gold rush for the next few months. This patch, 2 days.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.03 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2010 13:58:18
Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
hmm my spread sheet says 43.2m to build from an unresearched bpo using jita (herp derp) average prices from a day or two ago (30th I think?)
It was 43 or thereabouts, but since the launch day the mad number of manufacturers has created enough demand for minerals that the cost to manufacture has risen. Meanwhile the price of a noctis has fallen and I'm seeing silly builders selling them for less that the build cost because they're not keeping their spreadsheets up to date.
Thankfully, I bought my minerals in the weeks running up to this, and I'm now making a nice profit selling those minerals at a nice markup over their purchase price.
Because buying minerals in Jita has always been the cheapest possible way to obtain them. I didn't mean that folks should just grab minerals off jita to get 38mil build cost. I just meant that folks didn't have to scour 3-4 regions to stockpile mins. We stockpiled mins for this a week or so in advance.
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