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ChernoChiel Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:00:00 - [1] Hello all i am a nyx pilot woth all drone / fighterskills skills to 5 and i am fully capped out in all nyx skills. now i tryed my fighter bombers on a Chimera friend ( i used Tyrfings ) they only hit the chimera vor 1239 ( sollid every time ) to compare i was able to kill the same guy in about 1 min 40 sec , now i can not kill the same guy within 1.5 min but it takes me 2.6 min ....its the same fitting and the same pilot in the same test setup.. if he hase 2 cap remote shields reps on him ( NOT TRIAGE ) i can not kill him at all... i presume this is not as intended and will be fixed soon , i do understand that Fighter bombers are not supposed to hit Battleships but we where all told that the dammage to caps would be pretty much the same , wel it is deffenatly NOT. plz fix this ccp. If you Mess with the Best you Die like the Rest ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 30/11/2010 16:03:27 Fighter bombers got a well-deserved hit with the nerfbat. Not a bug, working as intended. Sucks to be you.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Fighter bombers got a well-deserved blow with the nerfbat. Sucks to be you. Hey I'm all for a fighter bomber nerf! But still wasn't the damage reduction supposed to be against BS and smaller sized targets?
Roosterton Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 30/11/2010 16:01:35 Fighter bombers got a well-deserved hit with the nerfbat. Sucks to be you. That. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:03:00 - [5] Ask your mate to stop moving. ---
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Grez Ask your mate to stop moving. obvious is obvious and please nurf them. . .that way maby we can some more proper capital fights with drads involved in the future (!!) -----------
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Atius Tirawa Originally by: Grez Ask your mate to stop moving. obvious is obvious and please nurf them. . .that way maby we can some more proper capital fights with drads involved in the future (!!) They were nerfed. The op is just sad his nyx is no longer Teh Ultimate Pwnmobile.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Originally by: Atius Tirawa Originally by: Grez Ask your mate to stop moving. obvious is obvious and please nurf them. . .that way maby we can some more proper capital fights with drads involved in the future (!!) They were nerfed. The op is just sad his nyx is no longer Teh Ultimate Pwnmobile. If they WERE nerfed across the board and this was intended then it's about time. I thought we were going to have to settle for a nerf for BS and smaller size targets only. Or at least that's the way I read the patch notes.
ChernoChiel Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Tyber Zaan Originally by: Atius Tirawa Originally by: Grez Ask your mate to stop moving. obvious is obvious and please nurf them. . .that way maby we can some more proper capital fights with drads involved in the future (!!) They were nerfed. The op is just sad his nyx is no longer Teh Ultimate Pwnmobile. no i am not , i am actualy happy that the bombers where vnerved VS smaller ships ( i myself never used em vs annything smaller then a carrier ) however i do think that CCP said that the dammage would be the same vs capitals , this is not the case at all it is much less, about the moving part he was sitting dead still ... If you Mess with the Best you Die like the Rest ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Roosterton Originally by: Tyber Zaan Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 30/11/2010 16:01:35 Fighter bombers got a well-deserved hit with the nerfbat. Sucks to be you. That. Win. And being that it's a Brick Squad asshat whining about it....I can't really feel sorry at all for him. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...

ChernoChiel Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Tobin Shalim Originally by: Roosterton Originally by: Tyber Zaan Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 30/11/2010 16:01:35 Fighter bombers got a well-deserved hit with the nerfbat. Sucks to be you. That. Win. And being that it's a Brick Squad asshat whining about it....I can't really feel sorry at all for him. ahhh want a cookie ? your smackfu is real weak my son go back to kindergarden they will teach you better smackfu there .. lets keep this on topic since this is not COAD. If you Mess with the Best you Die like the Rest ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
Isaac Apylon As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:34:00 - [12] Originally by: ChernoChiel Wah wah wah, my pwnmobile no longer kills everything!!! Why don't I have an I-Win button anymore CCP?! They needed to be nerfed, now they are nerfed. May I suggest hardening the **** up? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Isaac Apylon Originally by: ChernoChiel Wah wah wah, my pwnmobile no longer kills everything!!! Why don't I have an I-Win button anymore CCP?! They needed to be nerfed, now they are nerfed. May I suggest hardening the **** up? This. FBs needed an across the board nerf.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:42:00 - [14] Originally by: ChernoChiel Hello all i am a nyx pilot woth all drone / fighterskills skills to 5 and i am fully capped out in all nyx skills. now i tryed my fighter bombers on a Chimera friend ( i used Tyrfings ) they only hit the chimera vor 1239 ( sollid every time ) to compare i was able to kill the same guy in about 1 min 40 sec , now i can not kill the same guy within 1.5 min but it takes me 2.6 min ....its the same fitting and the same pilot in the same test setup.. if he hase 2 cap remote shields reps on him ( NOT TRIAGE ) i can not kill him at all... i presume this is not as intended and will be fixed soon , i do understand that Fighter bombers are not supposed to hit Battleships but we where all told that the dammage to caps would be pretty much the same , wel it is deffenatly NOT. plz fix this ccp. OHNOES! --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:04:00 - [15] Oh noes! Super caps got a nerf so fleet battles arent decided by how my nyxes are on the field. What will we do?!?!?! CCP has ruined the game by stopping Super cap blobs!!!!!!!11111oneone one Seriously if they nerfed the damage by about 25% just take it with grace and move on, It could be worse,
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:13:00 - [16] As I understood the patch notes the nerf was only supposed to be for FB damage to sub-cap hulls exclusively. The patch notes seemed to imply that FB damage to caps and supercaps would remain unchanged. Granted, not that an across the board FB nerf is unwarranted...
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:27:00 - [17] This has already been brought up
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:27:00 - [18] It might be something to do with the fact, that there have been bugs reported in current drone behaviour. feigned Quoting relevant dev posts below. Originally by: CCP Chronotis 30/11/2010 We discovered a few issues with new bombers that manifest slightly differently. The first one is that they will sometimes give up attacking their target. The fix for this behaviour will go out as soon as possible but you may need to remind your drones to attack if you see them go idle when not supposed to until the fix is deployed. The second is the drones getting to their attack ranges, currently they will be released and they will burn their MWDs for a few seconds and then go back to slowly approaching the target which will be an issue the further away you are from the target. This means that your initial damage will be changed from TQ as your drones will take longer to get into effective range whereas on TQ they will start being effective once within about 60km after 15 seconds or so, after the patch, they will need to wait till they are within attack range which means a delay in damage being applied which is the distinct difference you will notice after today. Both these have been tweaked but the changes wont go live today, the fighter bombers will burn their MWDs for longer (and therefore get into range faster) and begin causing damage at more than 10km so should not see them cutting their MWDs out too soon and not getting into attack range for a time like mentioned. Originally by: Tish Magev Thanks for the response, so they could be a 'bit' broken to start with but they'll get fixed with a patch soon(ish), that's fine so long as we know. cheers. Indeed, the most annoying part will be them giving up the will to attack something occasionally, that is being fixed. The other behaviours will take longer to fix which modifies their approach to targets so it will take longer to start dealing damage in the meantime. In our investigation, we uncovered this was occurring for non-combat drones occasionally as well and had the same root cause so there are benefits from this showing up here beyond the bomber changes.
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:36:00 - [19] Are you telling me that it would take upwards of ten painfully dull minutes to single-handedly vaporize four dreads/carriers? jettisons Fighter Bomber skillbook into space in protest releases pent up rage in one blinding fart dies My blood is on your hands, CCP.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:44:00 - [20] Edited by: Sertan Deras on 30/11/2010 17:47:54 God some of you are painfully stupid. The point is that CCP said the damage against capitals would not be changing. This is not the case. So all of your "ahah, lulz, nerfbats lulz, toonies, iskies, plox, about time" crap just makes you look like the dibbling idiot you are. e: Not to mention, the issue that is causing the problem (engagement range and going idle) is being fixed. How dumb do you look now?

gfldex	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:50:00 - [21] Have you tried drone tracking links and painters yet?
Helios Black Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:03:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Chronotis As a confirmation, the damage is still missile based and you should be seeing almost no change in damage against capital ships from what is on Tranquility. However sub-capital class ships will only receive a small portion of the damage they do currently. If you are doing ~1800 damage per bomber to 75% resists as reported earlier then this is well inline with expectations since that equates to ~7200 raw damage. The maximum is 7500 per bomber if using the nyx at max skills and 6000 in other supercarriers. This is no different from what is on Tranquility currently (7500 raw damage per bomber using a nyx with max skills). However, if you are getting significantly different results from this, then it would be good to know. Provide your fighter bomber skill level, supercarrier type, supercarrier skill level, target you were fighting and their resistance if possible. From this thread. It would appear that they did not intend to reduce SC damage against other capitals at all. So everyone saying "OMG NERFED HARDEN THE F UP" are idiots...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Sertan Deras dibbling idiot Why does this make me laugh so much.
Isaac Apylon As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Sertan Deras Goon rage best rage.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:10:00 - [25] Wow, there's a lot of dumb people in this thread. CCP said they would change FB damage but that it would not change against capitals. Due to an error in a related system FBs do reduced damage against capitals contrary to CCP statements. AKA not working as intended. A fix is in the pipe. While I can agree with sentiments in favor of nerfing FBs in general, the current state is not intended and it's understandable to be concerned when CCP say one thing but do another. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki it's understandable to be concerned when CCP say one thing but do another. I thought that was called "Business as Usual"? --Vel
Aessoroz	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:32:00 - [27] Edited by: Aessoroz on 30/11/2010 18:34:25 Edited by: Aessoroz on 30/11/2010 18:34:05 Quote: We discovered a few issues with new bombers that manifest slightly differently. The first one is that they will sometimes give up attacking their target. The fix for this behaviour will go out as soon as possible but you may need to remind your drones to attack if you see them go idle when not supposed to until the fix is deployed. Energy neuting drones have had the same bug for ages but CCP never cared :( Edit: Quote: In our investigation, we uncovered this was occurring for non-combat drones occasionally as well and had the same root cause so there are benefits from this showing up here beyond the bomber changes. You mean those bug reports the elite bug hunters ignored for the last 2 years...
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:41:00 - [28] Originally by: ChernoChiel Hello all i am a nyx pilot woth all drone / fighterskills skills to 5 and i am fully capped out in all nyx skills. now i tryed my fighter bombers on a Chimera friend ( i used Tyrfings ) they only hit the chimera vor 1239 ( sollid every time ) to compare i was able to kill the same guy in about 1 min 40 sec , now i can not kill the same guy within 1.5 min but it takes me 2.6 min ....its the same fitting and the same pilot in the same test setup.. if he hase 2 cap remote shields reps on him ( NOT TRIAGE ) i can not kill him at all... i presume this is not as intended and will be fixed soon , i do understand that Fighter bombers are not supposed to hit Battleships but we where all told that the dammage to caps would be pretty much the same , wel it is deffenatly NOT. plz fix this ccp. It's not taking you 2.6 mins to solo a capital ship? How much more "fixed" should it be? Now your grossly overpowered pwnmobile is only a very overpowered pwnmobile you want sympathy from us? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Dirk Mortice on 30/11/2010 18:43:06 CCP IT NOW TAKES ME MORE THAN 2 MINUTES TO SOLO A CARRIER. WTF IS THIS! I'LL RAGE QUIT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THIS BACK TO 1M 30S. OMG Edit - Also, oh no teamwork outdoes your solo nyx. Cry me a river.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.11.30 18:42:00 - [30] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki it's understandable to be concerned when CCP say one thing but do another. I thought that was called "Business as Usual"? My personal theory is that CCP does this intentionally to stress out their player base, encouraging them to take out their frustrations on other players in game and on the forums. This creates the cold, dark universe that they want in the game. Without such annoyances, eve would become happy carebear land. It's for our own good really. :tinfoil: Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.



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