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GM Grimmi	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:03:00 - [1] Capitals in high security space û we all remember the Chribba Veldnaught scare of 2008 and the rules we subsequently set for capitals in high sec. Well, we are now adding one more item to the rule set. This new rule prohibits the sales of capital ships in high security space. Many of the capitals currently in high security space have been mistakenly moved there through reimbursement and so and there have been cases where the owners have seen this as a golden opportunity to sell their capitals at extremely high prices to players who donæt necessarily know too much about the rules for capitals in high sec. No more, we say, no more. Sales of capital ships in high sec are hereby prohibited, be it on the regular market or through the contract system. Here are the updated rules for capital ships in high sec: 1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression. 2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station. 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space. 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. 5. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital. Please be sure to stick to those rules if you have a capital ship in high sec or else weÆll be forced to move it down to low sec. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master EVE CSS

AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:35:00 - [2] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 30/11/2010 17:40:11 So, either get a reimbursed one or we have to ask a buddy for a free one? PS: Why are capitals reimbursed in high sec anyways? There's no point since they are mostly used a warships. Does this mean a bugged capital/lost capital due to bugs is somehow better than a normal capital? PSS: Does this mean we can file petitions to have our capitals moved to high sec since there is no reason to keep them out now? (no profit, and no harm as long the rules are followed). The only way to get one now is to unsub for 6 months. I'm sure CCP's wallet can take the hit but would you want to?
DmitryEKT Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:41:00 - [3] Well to answer one of your questions AoF, reimbursements automatically go to the last station you were in, or something like that, so it can set up conditions where you'd just get them in hisec. Grimmi, are we allowed to non-sell trade them, like giving them free to friends? Or is it that only the current owners may keep them and if they give them to anyone they get moved out to losec?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:18:00 - [4] Good change! /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Chribba Good change! /c Let's announce tomorrow as Free Cap Day. Everyone unsubs for 6 months. If CCP survives the Free Cap Day, we all come back to see all our assets (including capitals) in our clone station. Might not really be a bad idea.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:39:00 - [6] I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay... Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:41:00 - [7] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 30/11/2010 19:41:01 Originally by: Chribba I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay... Nah. let's just all unsub for half a year. The market will be pummeled and hell, the plex prices might even go down. STILL ♥ YA CCP! PS: I am in full troll mode now.
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.30 21:18:00 - [8] Long-time coming, well done.
Gofer AZ	Posted - 2010.11.30 23:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Chribba I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay... Where is written: that capital ship is "original" and allowed to stey in high sec? Maybe my capital was manufactured in high sec before your but i wosn't spoke about this. Originally by: GM Grimmi 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. 5. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital. Why i can't buy or sell items where i have that items? No possibility to normal usage item in high sec is not a reason to not allow trade this item there (for example "Gjallarhorn"). What will be next? Maybe some rules about strategic cruiser - no posibility to sell this in low and hig sec station. Why not, that is more powerfull then HAC but easier train this (epic lol).If i want spend 10 B isk for capital in high sec why that can't be possible? Maybe will beter when somebody start ban scamers. I think CCP want EvE world expansion but that rules make universe smaller. Best regards
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.12.01 06:19:00 - [10] Lol, Chribba approves. Big shock since he already some. I have to say I disagree with this change. They're collectible items that now have (depending how you look at it) have either become worthless or priceless. I would have liked to own one one day. But I guess you have to babysit the 'tards at the expense of the vets. <--- posting with main, yes, shock horror.

Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2010.12.01 06:45:00 - [11] Quote: 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. CyberDyne R-D now offers WTT packages for HIGH SEC Capital Ships! I assume this is good? . Our Sales - Know Us
Antspire	Posted - 2010.12.01 16:20:00 - [12] so we can't use Caps in case of a Sansha invasion in high sec? :(
Gandar Kimokanen Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.01 20:23:00 - [13] Trade me your hi-sec capitals for free please
Eton Favre	Posted - 2010.12.01 23:18:00 - [14] This really seems like a poorly thought out solution. So the sales threads were the main way that reimbursed caps were reported to CCP. So instead CCP ignore the fact that they get reimbursed incorrectly in highsec, screw over everyone with legit ones, and anyone would like to own one, by making them against the rules to sell? á Seems a better solution would be to add a new itemá High Sec cap ship license. Issue it to all of the legit High Sec caps. áItem has to stay in the cargohold of the ship. Without the item in the cargohold at downtime the ship is moved to low sec. This would eliminate the issue of caps getting reimbursed and trying to be resold without hurting those players with legit ones. á Just seems a shame to keep screwing over the older players that have stuck around for years and been loyal customers. áWe were told when the change to (X-Large now) large assembly arrays áwere no longer able to be anchored in high sec that existing ones would be allowed until taken down. Intro the rorq in Revelations 2.2 and well those all get unanchored by gms . People should be rewarded for playing a long time, not penalized because it is unfair to the new peopleà.. á I own 3 high sec caps ( that I worked my butt off to build legit)
TooFatToFish	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:10:00 - [15] Edited by: TooFatToFish on 02/12/2010 21:10:42 TLDR We dont feel like moderating, so any use of capitals in highsec will be punished.
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:17:00 - [16] Seriously? This is EVE, where if someone scams you, you have to suck it up and deal with it. I personally hoped, one day, to buy a hisec cap just to SAY I had one. Now you've screwed me of that chance. Thanks CCP!
Iella Wesirri Caldari J0urneys End Journeys End Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:25:00 - [17] I too had dreams of one day owning a highsec cap. I finally have the money to do so thanks to Somer Blink. Thanks for crushing my oldest EvE dream CCP.
Prince Althran	Posted - 2010.12.04 11:21:00 - [18] does this mean that if a capital is built in hight sec it cant be used for agretion then
Hybok	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:31:00 - [19] welcome aboard , if you know what i mean
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:41:00 - [20] Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/12/2010 03:42:34 Despite this sh*t thread I will continue to trade capitals that are in highsec because they still have value. I am done with CCP in this respect. Lately it seems they are trying to stop scamming? It appears all the newbs are QQing too much. Edit: PM Me if you want to start an underground black market for HS capitals. ____________________________________________ POS Management Proposal

DmitryEKT Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2010.12.06 08:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Zelot Blueice Despite this sh*t thread I will continue to trade capitals that are in highsec because they still have value. I am done with CCP in this respect. Lately it seems they are trying to stop scamming? It appears all the newbs are QQing too much. Edit: PM Me if you want to start an underground black market for HS capitals. Posting in a thread started by a GM, saying that you're going to break the rules posted by that GM... you, sir, are on your way to a Darwin award.
Kagan Storm Caldari Ghost Armadillo Legion	Posted - 2010.12.07 06:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:44:28 Originally by: GM Grimmi 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. This translates to "the seller at the moment of transaction has to be in lov sec or 0.0 sec or wormhole space" I totaly aggre with this... only the buy person should be in high sec... where the ship is.... seller must always bee in non high sec.... I kinda think this has something to do so oyu have to trade the ship over contracts... I will applay by this rule :) Epic fail at trying to rule-lawyer.... P.S:Eve is going to hell cause GM-s post without reading what they post.... or beeing lazy and just copy pasting stuff... like the eve code...
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.12.07 12:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Chribba Good change! /c Doesn't this mean you no longer can use the Veldnaught as a giant secure can while mining?
Lord's Servant Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2010.12.08 11:48:00 - [24] I somehow get the feeling that I am the reason behind this. Sorry bout this everyone...I just think that GM's got tired of ppl borderline scamming with reimbursed caps by talking with newer GM's and getting them "legitimized." The older GM's see this and then have to deal with the fallout of dealing with newer GM's responses, and round and round it goes. GM's hate dealing with ridiculous reimbursements cause one party wasnt honest with the other. Not naming names here, but as my case happened slightly before this, Im gonna guess its the catalyst for this change. -Lords PS-Not saying mine is the only, just prob the most PITA, and Im sure there've been many before mine and GM's are just tired of it. :P -Lord's Servant
Cherax Quadricarinatus	Posted - 2010.12.08 17:47:00 - [25] Confirming that this account was just canceled because CCP is too lazy to look after scammers and so they decide instead to remove the goal I had been working towards. Bang up job guys, really.
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.08 17:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Cherax Quadricarinatus Confirming that this account was just canceled because CCP is too lazy to look after scammers and so they decide instead to remove the goal I had been working towards. Bang up job guys, really. Sad to hear that bud. If you have any left over stuff, i'd love to have it but i'm not big on "can i haz your stuff". I might do the same. "I have a dream, of my Chimera sitting in a noobie system and scaring the noobs that undock"
Ariz Black	Posted - 2010.12.08 19:06:00 - [27] If you want to scare noobs on undock, get in a blackops and use the portal generator... the graphic on it is a huge wormhole, almost as big as a station, it's a bit ridiculous... and you can use it in hisec so long as your cyno alt is in a losec that's in range...
Kryhane	Posted - 2010.12.08 20:36:00 - [28] Originally by: GM Grimmi we all remember the Chribba Veldnaught scare of 2008 For those us who don't, can someone elaborate?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.08 21:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Ariz Black If you want to scare noobs on undock, get in a blackops and use the portal generator... the graphic on it is a huge wormhole, almost as big as a station, it's a bit ridiculous... and you can use it in hisec so long as your cyno alt is in a losec that's in range... Doesn't that burn fuel? Also, might I invite random noobs to right click and Jump!
Ariz Black	Posted - 2010.12.09 08:50:00 - [30] Edited by: Ariz Black on 09/12/2010 08:50:46 Originally by: AtheistOfFail Doesn't that burn fuel? Also, might I invite random noobs to right click and Jump! It burns something like 50? liquid ozone - around the same price as 5 faction bullets. Nothing really. If someone was to jump it would use a few topes but just for opening the portal the only cost is the LO spent by your cyno ship - and keep in mind covert cynos use less fuel than normal ones. e: and as for jumping, they'ed have to be a) in a ship capable of fiting a covop cloak (ie, not a noob) and b) in fleet with you, and I don't think you'd want to give them a free pass as jumping onto your generally quite vulnerable cyno ship.

Forever Jita	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:04:00 - [31] This is particularly hilarious because it means any player that has a highsec cap can only transfer the cap between their own characters when they sell one. I hope everyone with an existing highsec cap has multiple X pilots! PS: this is a terrible idea in large part because if you think people won't continue to trade them under the table you're delusional.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.10 01:06:00 - [32] Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting. Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.13 12:44:00 - [33] This is the wrong way to deal with this problem. The problem is that the capitals entered high sec in the first place, not that they are traded. Put in safeguards to prevent high sec reimbursements or put the rule of either buyer beware or classify high sec reimbursements as an exploit that will be reversed and the seller given a temporary ban.
Tassemet Gallente Ark Innovations	Posted - 2010.12.14 12:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 10/12/2010 05:31:27 Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting. Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous. EDIT: I've gone and canceled this account as well (my main). Doubt it'll make a difference to CCP, but this is one of those things that really gets under my skin If you can't train your employees not to make easily avoidable blunders like that "Hey guys, if you're going to reimburse a cap, make sure it's not going to highsec" then fix the damn problem, don't punish the people legitimately interested in the odd quirky things like that that make the game interesting. Can I haz your st00f? I bet I can mine more veldspar then Chribba............ Staff Signatures Wanted:
Telore Dragonsun Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 14/12/2010 23:28:59 Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 10/12/2010 05:31:27 Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting. Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous. Second that, Whats next T2 BPO trading being banned as you didn't expect to have to stop issuing them? ---------------------------- God not only plays Dice, But the Dice Are Loaded, And some are thrown into corners that no one can see.
Achurua	Posted - 2010.12.21 07:21:00 - [36] what? eve has rules? since?
Stephanie Broadchest	Posted - 2010.12.22 01:58:00 - [37] CCP fails!
Zoloft Rx	Posted - 2010.12.23 03:37:00 - [38] Edited by: Zoloft Rx on 23/12/2010 03:39:36 Originally by: Noun Verber Put in safeguards to prevent high sec reimbursements Sounds like the way to go. We cant light cyno's in highsec, why is it so hard to prevent GM's from moving caps into highsec? Shouldnt people who defraud ccp be punished? not the people playing the game the way it was intended? Banning the trade of in-game goods sounds like CCP is acting like the stray cat thats ****ting in the eve sandbox. Without warning, people are stuck with billions of isk lost in investing in the resale of legit high-sec caps, and others with absolutely no chance of ever obtaining a high-sec cap. This new rule is a nice little way to abandon a little more of your player base.
Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp	Posted - 2010.12.24 10:31:00 - [39] ;p According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
newport chill	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:34:00 - [40] Move all the caps to low sec and you dont have this problem anymore. Plain and simple. If they dont want to own the cap anymore after you move it to low sec they can sell it!

topkick	Posted - 2010.12.26 20:14:00 - [41] first off i enjoy playing eve. i have been a pilot for a few yrs now. still have a lot of question but i have one today that maybe someone can answer for me. if i built a rorqual in high sec and never take it into low sec can that be allowed within the game mechanics?
Garythe	Posted - 2010.12.27 18:07:00 - [42] Short of freighters and orcas and that one npc Caldari Leviathan in Luminaire, I thought you couldn't bring cap ships into high sec anyways.. Much less manufacture them in high sec. If I'm wrong please correct me with the right information. Since so much is left out for information in this game such as the skills required to set up an alliance, and apparently this new little tidbit.
Brakur Ualkin	Posted - 2010.12.29 07:25:00 - [43] Since High-Sec capitals can no longer be sold they now have no value. Therefore when the pilots of High-Sec capitals are sold in the character bazaar there is no reason the ship can't be transferred with them. Right?
Galthatar Arctook	Posted - 2010.12.30 01:31:00 - [44] Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships. Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet. Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter? I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements.
Galthatar Arctook	Posted - 2010.12.30 02:01:00 - [45] Edited by: Galthatar Arctook on 30/12/2010 02:03:56 Doh stupid iPad helped me double post:(
Jeff simply	Posted - 2010.12.30 16:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Galthatar Arctook Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships. Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet. Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter? I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements. Don't troll for the sake of it, freighters can use jump gates, thus enter hi-sec anyway- thus be legitimately sold in hi-sec. Stop whining, if you have a cap ship in hi-sec you can petition to get it moved, then it is worth market value. What can you do other than show off with it anyway? You can't take it through jump gates, acceleration gates, and even if you could light cyno's in hi-sec, you couldn't jump as most hi-sec systems are too far apart from each other.
Izuru Hishido Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society	Posted - 2010.12.31 03:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Galthatar Arctook Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships. Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet. Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter? I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements. Last I checked, a Freighter does not require the skill 'Capital Ships' to fly, thus it is not a capital ship, its just a really big flying box. Neither does it have a jump drive, like all other capital ships do, so your understanding of what a capital ship is obviously proves how much you know about what Grimmi just said. What is forbidden to market is a Carrier, Dreadnought, Mothership or Titan class ship. I can't imagine any reason why CCP would prohibit the sale of freighters when they lack even the basic requirements to be called capital ships. They're just big. So...good going. "The point of war is not to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his."
Incipus	Posted - 2011.01.01 20:52:00 - [48] One of the most amusing aspects of eve is the "Wild west" feel. That there are few rules, and you have to be careful in trusting people. This isn't a protect the newbies thing, if you have the money/skills for a capital ship you should know better than this... What is the point? Usually systematically making a system safer signals the downfall of a game. Just let the free market remain in my opinion.
Lady Australia	Posted - 2011.01.02 02:09:00 - [49] Sometimes I wonder if CCP even know what their player base wants..... P.S Old cyno effect plz.
Gizan Hounds Of War Talos Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.03 17:27:00 - [50] No, we want our engine trails back...

spongebobbb Amarr Chewin' The Fat	Posted - 2011.01.04 21:14:00 - [51] Originally by: newport chill Move all the caps to low sec and you dont have this problem anymore. Plain and simple. If they dont want to own the cap anymore after you move it to low sec they can sell it! but people will whine and biatch because chribbas a special snowflake and has in the past had rules CHANGED just for him. see the 2008 incident they are on about. id be all for this too' but really how difficult can it be to show GMs how to not reimburse thes to high sec. but wait, aint these the same GMs who informed my m8 to use contracts to sell his mothership after he whined to them in a petetion that he wanted a more secure way. or told me to leave a 280mill ship in high sec and bug of in my pod, instead of fixing a bug i had with low sec police. tbh i somtimes wonder how 1/2 of them manage to turn thier pc on at work, or get dressed in the morning never mind do complex **** like not give people CAPITAL SHIPS back in a hihg sec system. dont get me wrong i love eve and respect what a lot of the GMs do but somtimes they make me want to smash my head off a wall. spongey
Devis Devine	Posted - 2011.01.07 00:11:00 - [52] I think this is quite frankly bull**. It's EVE. The game where scamming is allowed and in some cases seems to be encouraged. If your going to tell me where I can sell items now then start banning the scammers. I was just hacked and lost a lot of assets. Even after the isk refund I'm still short at least 5bil isk in just ships not to mention corp asset losses. CCP dosnt even try to rectify this issue. They think refunding the 30% isk value is good. This ed me off severely. I managed to get my thanatos back that was self destructed during the hack (missing all the fittings) and the GM placed it in a HS system. So I am either going to sell it as a HS cap and recover my lost isk or I am going to be dropping all 4 of my accounts. I did not purposely try to scam a GM, it was his up not mine. For a game with a free market they sure are trying to over vet players while focusing more on the carebears. This is bull**. And I agree with an earlier post. I will contract it while I am in low sec or 0.0. therefore I will not be breaking their rule.
Friary	Posted - 2011.01.07 17:25:00 - [53] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba Good change! /c Doesn't this mean you no longer can use the Veldnaught as a giant secure can while mining? I would assume that this rule applies in this case: 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space. Since this would give an advantage over miners using barges/hulks etc, it isn't allowed :) Friary
Lord's Prophet Totally Abstract O X I D E	Posted - 2011.01.07 17:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Friary Since this would give an advantage over miners using barges/hulks etc, it isn't allowed you can mine twice as much ore with an osprey. also theres already orcas for shared hangars. so it's not gaining any advantage really. ________ Originally by: CCP Mitnal If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
SycoAlien	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:23:00 - [55] 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. you know i was going over this rule. By this rule anyone caught putting their cap up on contract from a high sec system is therefore subject to these same rules and should be banned for 2 weeks. Anyone else read these rules the same and agree? CCP is starting to **** up the game with these rules they are trying to enforce lately
DennyUK The First Dragons Concordokken.	Posted - 2011.01.08 04:20:00 - [56] Edited by: DennyUK on 08/01/2011 04:22:36 Agreed. CCP is on crack Originally by: Lady Australia P.S Old cyno effect plz. I second this... Idk how you can sit down with a pen and a notepad and write "Lets get rid of all the cool effects!" (YES im QQing. Blow Me) PS: BRING BACK AoE Doomsday! (or fix the damn titans.. oh and making a faction titan is defiantly the wrong choice... PPS: Do some concept art before you design things)
Friary	Posted - 2011.01.08 21:44:00 - [57] Originally by: SycoAlien 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. you know i was going over this rule. By this rule anyone caught putting their cap up on contract from a high sec system is therefore subject to these same rules and should be banned for 2 weeks. Anyone else read these rules the same and agree? I disagree...it is referring to the Capital being in High sec space, as it is the subject of the sentence (You may not sell or put your capital...). If they meant the character, they would have put; ...your Capital up for sale when you are in....
Arden Elenduil Minmatar Wankers Club	Posted - 2011.01.11 08:35:00 - [58] Thanks for ruining my dream of ever owning one CCP bah, spoilsports Since they're now essentially worthless, why not give everyone the option to have one capital they provide themselves to be placed in highsec, subject to the same rules as the other highsec capitals
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2011.01.11 16:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Arden Elenduil Thanks for ruining my dream of ever owning one CCP bah, spoilsports Since they're now essentially worthless, why not give everyone the option to have one capital they provide themselves to be placed in highsec, subject to the same rules as the other highsec capitals Because that would not only rob those of us who's only got one of the total value of them, but making them commonplace and worthless.
RuckaLucka Ali GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:43:00 - [60] Its ok guys i came up with a brilliant idea to blackmarket these ships without getting caught you should probebly mail me if you wanna know (hi ccp, no i dont care)

Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.01.12 23:40:00 - [61] 1 Create alt 2 Trade cap to alt 3 Sell alt Profit?
NoNah	Posted - 2011.01.13 04:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Vincent Athena 1 Create alt 2 Trade cap to alt 3 Sell alt Profit? Granted sold chars may not hold ony assets worth anything, it'd still work sort of. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 720170
Ariz Black	Posted - 2011.01.13 09:03:00 - [63] I'm sure there's plenty of loopholes, e.g. you could "accidentally eject" from the cap and then have chribba send you 10b for one because he remembers he loves you... but really, if they just didn't reimburse them in hisec this rule wouldn't even be needed...
Fred Kyong	Posted - 2011.01.16 01:02:00 - [64] Originally by: RuckaLucka Ali Its ok guys i came up with a brilliant idea to blackmarket these ships without getting caught you should probebly mail me if you wanna know (hi ccp, no i dont care) You are banned
Clowntoucher	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:54:00 - [65] A draconian response by CCP to rectify a problem caused by the incompetents at CCP in the first place? Classic
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor	Posted - 2011.01.17 21:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Kagan Storm Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:47:20 Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:44:28 Originally by: GM Grimmi 4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space. This translates to "the seller at the moment of transaction has to be in lov sec or 0.0 sec or wormhole space" I totaly aggre with this... only the buy person should be in high sec... where the ship is.... seller must always bee in non high sec.... I kinda think this has something to do so oyu have to trade the ship over contracts... I will applay by this rule :) Epic fail at trying to rule-lawyer.... If this was a real, working legal sytem, you'd be right, because you should apply the law as is, not as you think the law creator thought it should work. But this is eve, gms have the final word. I'm sure they will correct the small error. And i'm sure that trying to abuse the small error will cause you to get an even longer ban.
Binzii Hachnamen Strategic Miner's Initiative Radical Templar Knights Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:48:00 - [67] hIGHSEc oh shi-
Bosdos	Posted - 2011.01.30 22:09:00 - [68] I heard that you have to build Capital Ship (like Orca) in capital shipyard? Is that mean I have to build "capital construction parts" on capital shipyard too or just the assembly of the Orca or Morro or Thanatos in Low Sec? Can I build an Orca in high sec station? I can use Orca to mine and is Orca a capital ship?
ALI Virgo	Posted - 2011.01.31 20:49:00 - [69] If pirates can gank at jita with alot of Battleships why not allow capitals to do the same.War declaired game machenics even to black mail money from weaker corps happens..Can I use my orca with war fare links while war declared...It is capital correct. Make concord stronger and allow all ships every where. Make noobs ships harder to track.. That rookie ship or care bears...I played eve for 6 months before even seeing a carrier. I have yet to see a titan while playing the game. when I saw abaddon I wanted it when I saw drake I wanted it and so on ... If ccp allows them to fly through high sec. have some form of weapons disruption on dangerious ships. let the players security level allow him to fly in. in high sec or get owned my some form of super concord.
JohnPaulJones Caldari Valhalla Naval Corp Valhalla Strategic Command	Posted - 2011.02.03 11:06:00 - [70] Quote: Make concord stronger and allow all ships every where. CONCORD need not be made stronger. CONCORD frigates can tackle EVERYTHING. CONCORD cruisers can perma ECM and insta cap drain ALL ships and the battleships will insta pop all ship hulls including titans regardless of fit.

Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2011.02.03 16:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Bosdos I heard that you have to build Capital Ship (like Orca) in capital shipyard? Is that mean I have to build "capital construction parts" on capital shipyard too or just the assembly of the Orca or Morro or Thanatos in Low Sec? Can I build an Orca in high sec station? I can use Orca to mine and is Orca a capital ship? There's no clear definition of what's capital and what's not. Typically Carriers, dreads and the rorqual are considered capital. Then Orca, Freighters and Jump freighters are pseudocapital. Motherships and Titans are supercapitals. This means... Freighters, Jump freighters and orca can use stargates, they can thus also be built and used to their full extent in highsec. They can be produced in Large ship assembly arrays. Carriers, dreads and rorqual can not use stargates, they can thus not be used in highsec. There's a select few "legit" highsec capitals, like chribbas in amarr, mine in Jita and so on. Legit dreads can exist in 1.0 and down, carriers in 0.7 and down, rorquals in 0.4 and down. They can be built in stations from 0.4 and down, aswell as X-large ship assembly arrays. Supercarriers(Motherships) and titans can ONLY be built in Capital Ship Assembly Arrays, which also requires sovereignty in the system. This means they can only be built in conquerable 0.0, not in wormhole space, not in empire(highsec or lowsec), not in stations anywhere. Regardless anything said in this thread has nothing to do with orcas in any way shape or form. Or atleast it shouldn't have.
Izuru Hishido Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society	Posted - 2011.02.04 03:52:00 - [72] I'm going to clear this up once and for all. CCP has made this far too confusing for the apparently uneducated player to understand, but a capital ship is distinguished by three defining characteristics, the first two are the most important and the easiest to understand. 1) It requires the skill "Capital Ships" to fly. 2) It cannot use a jump gate. 3) It has a capital jump drive, thus it is stuck in the system it is in unless it is jumped out to lowsec or 0.0. CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to make things a great deal less clear about what is actually a capital ship and what is not. A freighter is not a capital ship. An Orca is not a capital ship. A jump freighter is not a capital ship. How do I know this? Well, lets look at the evidence penned by my rules. Freighters and orcas do not require the skill Capital Ships to fly, they do not require a cyno beacon or generator to jump to, and they can use stargates. That's it. It really is THAT easy to tell these ships apart. /thread "The point of war is not to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his."
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2011.02.04 09:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Izuru Hishido stuff Except that's stuff and rules you've made up. There's no logic to them and there's no coherence. You could just aswell use a rule saying that they can dock, hence they're not capital. Or they require the skill capital ships construction to build. Or they require capital construction components to build. If you'd chose to go by the evelopedia, all of the above mentioned ships are capital.
Kalamity Jaine	Posted - 2011.02.14 23:49:00 - [74] The orca, freighters and the jump freighters require the builder to build capital construction items in order to make them. The Jumpers(jump freighter) have their own distinct bpos(bpc) with that ugly word "Capital" in front of the otherwise tech 2 component name. Jumpers are built with these said named "capital t2 parts" and they only need the jump drive as far as "real" capital parts go. By the way, unless someone else beat me to the draw, you can't build a capital ship in a high security station or POS. I already tried to do it myself. believe me if I could, I'd be selling the real "capital ships" to my loyal customers in eve. Goonswarn rises again!!!
Arushia Nova Labs New Eden Research.	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:53:00 - [75] I'd like a clarification on this point: Originally by: GM Grimmi 3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space. Level 4 missions are already quite easy with a marauder. Does using a capital to run non-gated missions qualify as a legal use of a high-sec capital? New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
bbtop Triangular Initiative STR8NGE BREW	Posted - 2011.03.08 12:17:00 - [76] HAHA!!! easy fix, just sell the character that has the high sec capital, and make even more money. Nice fail at failing.
Gary Hagon Gallente Skynet Industrial Security	Posted - 2011.03.17 05:50:00 - [77] Here is a fun solution that CCP should have done. Make it so that caps can freely enter highsec through stargates (No cynos, just say the Highsec gates have been given a upgrade), but make it so that concord will bring a few supercaps and a h. dictor(Over powered?) in if they dont have a certan modgule fitted. The modgule will cripple the specal abilitys of the ship (Remove firepower for dreads/titans, Remove drones for carriers, remove vat bay for rorq but keep seige/triage for tank) , but in turn, will tell concord to back off. A flying brick that cant shoot but can tank is a good way to prevent abuse. with the treat of concord supercaps, I dont think anyone will get dumb. Just a Idea!
NoNah	Posted - 2011.03.18 12:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Gary Hagon Here is a fun solution that CCP should have done. Make it so that caps can freely enter highsec through stargates (No cynos, just say the Highsec gates have been given a upgrade), but make it so that concord will bring a few supercaps and a h. dictor(Over powered?) in if they dont have a certan modgule fitted. The modgule will cripple the specal abilitys of the ship (Remove firepower for dreads/titans, Remove drones for carriers, remove vat bay for rorq but keep seige/triage for tank) , but in turn, will tell concord to back off. A flying brick that cant shoot but can tank is a good way to prevent abuse. with the treat of concord supercaps, I dont think anyone will get dumb. Just a Idea! The only effect this would have is that there would be ALOT more supercaps on highsecgates, as they're virtually immune. "Oh you got hotdropped, well let me fit this module and through the gate I go!" Not to mention there's no reason to have the caps in highsec in the first place, especially not if they're powerless. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 257305
Red Rose Thundercats	Posted - 2011.03.21 10:36:00 - [79] Edited by: Red Rose on 21/03/2011 10:37:12 I created a petition about to ask if its allowd to trade it on station for no reward isk / items as a gift. RESULT: Thats also forbidden... ME: Dear CCP due to this post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1423471 its not allowd to sell capital which are located in highsec anymore. It says: "Sales of capital ships in high sec are hereby prohibited, be it on the regular market or through the contract system." Is it allowd to use the Trade in Station option to hand a Capital to another player? If this is also classified as a sale is it allowd to use this way for a free trade as a donation or a gift without getting any reward for it in ISK or Items. Thanks Best Regards rr ======================== GM1: Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. I apologize for the late reply. Direct trading aCapital ship to another player in high-sec systems is also prohibited. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help. Best Regards, GM "X" EVE Online Customer Support ======================== ME: Thanks for your replay. I still have a question about trade as a gift. Since its not a sale and not metiond to be rewarded in any form (pretty sure you are able to make full wallet checks etc) why is this forbidden? Regards rr ======================== GM2: Capital ships are not supposed to be in high security systems in the first place. Therefore, any kind of trade regarding capital ships in high security systems are not allowed. Best Regards, GM "Y" The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Rebel sTuFF Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.03.21 11:10:00 - [80] Originally by: Red Rose ======================== ME: Thanks for your replay. I still have a question about trade as a gift. Since its not a sale and not metiond to be rewarded in any form (pretty sure you are able to make full wallet checks etc) why is this forbidden? Regards rr ======================== GM2: Capital ships are not supposed to be in high security systems in the first place. Therefore, any kind of trade regarding capital ships in high security systems are not allowed. Best Regards, GM "Y" The EVE Online Customer Support Team I wonder if it could be still considered a trade if you unboard from the capital ship so the other player can take it in space Selling Officer, Faction, Dead Space Modules & BPC >>> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=109595

Aidan Patrick Zero Point Group	Posted - 2011.04.01 03:53:00 - [81] This angers me. I'll tell you why. Lets say you've been playing this game but you never bother to check the forums for anything and don't know about this rule. You buy the capital for 100 billion or some junk. Congradulations, the capital is moved to low sec and the seller walks away with your 100 billion and a whopping 2 week ban. That's wrong. If CCP indeed feels this rule should continue despite its very obvious purpose of covering their GM's butts when they make a mistake then my opinion is this: Don't ban the player buying the capital. Ban the player selling the capital. Any funds transfered to the seller for the purchase are refunded in full to the buyer. The capital is then moved to the low sec system of the buyers choice. In addition to the above, when reimbursing a capital ship to high sec, have a foot note that mentions those rules. I guarantee you, NOONE will ever sell one then. Over all though, easiest method to fix this: Track the reimbursements made (We know you have records CCP. Move them to low sec/nullsec unless they are already there. Avoid doing it in the future. Lift rule. Done. - Aidan Patrick
Gustav Mannfred	Posted - 2011.04.02 14:51:00 - [82] what are whit selling over tradewindow?
Red Rose Thundercats	Posted - 2011.04.02 21:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Gustav Mannfred what are whit selling over tradewindow? read my post 3 above?
Rebel sTuFF Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Gustav Mannfred what are whit selling over tradewindow? Is this question just for the sake of posting ?! Selling Officer, Faction, Dead Space Modules & BPC >>> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1430119
Rebel sTuFF Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Gustav Mannfred what are whit selling over tradewindow? Is this question just for the sake of posting ?! On a different note i totall agree with Aidan Patrick's post... from a customer care perspective point of view. When you are dealing with an in-house issue over the customer, it's always reccomended to deal with your "in-house" issues and "do" something less agressive to the customer. p.s. I refuse to belive that there is no way that CCP ca make the cap refunds in low sec.... Selling Officer, Faction, Dead Space Modules & BPC >>> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1430119
Samuel Wess	Posted - 2011.04.16 11:17:00 - [86] Edited by: Samuel Wess on 16/04/2011 11:17:29 Originally by: spongebobbb Originally by: newport chill but wait, aint these the same GMs who informed my m8 to use contracts to sell his mothership after he whined to them in a petetion that he wanted a more secure way. or told me to leave a 280mill ship in high sec and bug of in my pod, instead of fixing a bug i had with low sec police. tbh i somtimes wonder how 1/2 of them manage to turn thier pc on at work, or get dressed in the morning never mind do complex **** like not give people CAPITAL SHIPS back in a hihg sec system. dont get me wrong i love eve and respect what a lot of the GMs do but somtimes they make me want to smash my head off a wall. spongey When they changed the shortcuts in one of the last patches i found out that Alt-X doesn't work anymore for toggle moons on brackets, so i just petitioned (shortcut system is a maze anyway and i couldnt find it). The answer was that i need to fill a bug report in order to get it fixed!!! Took a while to find out from a player that the shortcut has been actually changed to Alt-Shift-X. So yes go go GM! Arent they required to read at least the game manual ?? me
Kyle Sebiestor	Posted - 2011.04.17 04:43:00 - [87] Yah, only read the first post. Way around this: 1. Get a middle man 2. Have the capital transferred to middle man for free (not sold, so not illegal) 3. Have buyer donate money to middle man 4. Have middle man give each player their desired product for free (not sold, so not illegal) 5. ??? 6. Profit In this method nothing is being sold to anyone, but rather given, so no rules are being broken. Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this post. I have no intention of actually doing this, nor do I have any intention to break rules set by CCP. This is simply an idea that I am sharing with others as a loophole around a rule. This technique is to be implemented at the risk of the user and I am not responsible for any account that may be punished for the use of this technique.
Trader Jen	Posted - 2011.05.16 03:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Kyle Sebiestor Edited by: Kyle Sebiestor on 17/04/2011 04:49:50 Yah, only read the first post. Way around this: 1. Get a middle man 2. Have the capital transferred to middle man for free (not sold, so not illegal) 3. Have buyer donate money to middle man 4. Have middle man give each player their desired product for free (not sold, so not illegal) 5. ??? 6. Profit In this method nothing is being sold to anyone, but rather given, so no rules are being broken. Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this post. I have no intention of actually doing this, nor do I have any intention to break rules set by CCP. This is simply an idea that I am sharing with others as a loophole around a rule. This technique is to be implemented at the risk of the user and I am not responsible for any account that may be punished for the use of this technique. EDIT: Just read that petition that guy posted about capitals not being allowed to be traded at all in high-sec. make sure your middleman isnt Chribba though. Petition would be filed immediately. Also, CCP is failing hard with this ruling. All they need to do is move all reimbursed carriers to the character's last known low sec or 0.0 station dock, and lift the rule. This smacks of laziness on the part of the GM team.
SpitfireXVI Newark	Posted - 2011.05.27 11:35:00 - [89] Cant find the full list of all Vessel types that are no longer a potential piece of profit for merchants entering the game. This has to be cataloged some where. I was planning on starting a battleship battle-cruiser/cruiser manufacture thing going right from high-sec, Exactly how hard was I hit? Some one please post a list or,post a link?. This new player needs to catalog all the capital ships so I can recalculate free gameplay/reward viability.
Elvis Preslie	Posted - 2011.06.02 05:54:00 - [90] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: Chribba Good change! /c Let's announce tomorrow as Free Cap Day. Everyone unsubs for 6 months. If CCP survives the Free Cap Day, we all come back to see all our assets (including capitals) in our clone station. Might not really be a bad idea. It is illegal to organize a boycott, not ccp rules.

NoNah	Posted - 2011.06.13 18:49:00 - [91] Originally by: Elvis Preslie Originally by: AtheistOfFail Originally by: Chribba Good change! /c Let's announce tomorrow as Free Cap Day. Everyone unsubs for 6 months. If CCP survives the Free Cap Day, we all come back to see all our assets (including capitals) in our clone station. Might not really be a bad idea. It is illegal to organize a boycott, not ccp rules. What backwater countries laws are you referring to and isn't it about time they to get their fundamental freedom? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 646567
warhawk2000	Posted - 2011.06.20 23:01:00 - [92] are we allowed to move caps around hi sec, say if we were leaving a worm hole?
Louis Vitton Black Aces Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.06.21 11:55:00 - [93] Originally by: warhawk2000 are we allowed to move caps around hi sec, say if we were leaving a worm hole? This was raised when WH's first came about and other than a JF, freighter or orca NO other caps can even travel to high sec though a WH exit. (as far as i understand) I think this is done though limiting the Mass the high sec WH's can hold or something close to it.
warhawk2000	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:12:00 - [94] Originally by: Louis Vitton Originally by: warhawk2000 are we allowed to move caps around hi sec, say if we were leaving a worm hole? This was raised when WH's first came about and other than a JF, freighter or orca NO other caps can even travel to high sec though a WH exit. (as far as i understand) I think this is done though limiting the Mass the high sec WH's can hold or something close to it. there are some hi sec exits that have a mass of over 2 bil :)
Jennalie Minmatar Edge Of Infinity	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:04:00 - [95] Originally by: warhawk2000 there are some hi sec exits that have a mass of over 2 bil :) Largest max mass per jump through any wormhole to hi-sec is 1 billion, and that is only for 3 of the 7 wormhole types. Enough for a freighter/jump freighter, but even the smallest carrier is too massive to fit through. Albeit, even those with 1 bill transit will close quite quickly. Not knowing (unless you're really on top of watching your w-space) the actual remaining mass left, you may find yourself jumping in and having a nice little message informing you that the wormhole closed behind you.


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