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Eight Bit Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:17:00 - [1] With the removal of fixed character attributes per race and bloodline, and the ability to remap them, there is in my opinion, except for character looks, location on the map and in a practical way- useless back story, no reason to choose for one race/bloodline over another. Every character can train for any ship and module and wonÆt be better than any other at it. Right now it's all shades of grey! This is weird and an undesirable situation I think. Not that I have ever played it; but can you imagine that in WoW, a sorcerer could do the same stuff as a gnome? Why would one choose one type over another? I think it would be a good thing to bring back a little diversity in Eve. Maybe something like a racial ship bonus like Minmatar pilots get some speed bonus when flying a Minmatar ship, Amarr get some armor bonus when flying amarr, Caldari characters get some shield bonus on Caldari ships etc. etc. This is just an idea to bring back some diversity. If anyone has other ideas, please discuss. 8
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:21:00 - [2] one of the nice facts is that cross training people can compete at the same level as the native users of the ships. imho that values higher than some RP reason for bloodlines and ancestry.
Eight Bit Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:31:00 - [3] I'm not saying that my ship bonus idea should be implemented, just that there's no diversity right now other than roleplay back story and character looks. Why have races and bloodlines at all if everyone is the same?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Eight Bit I'm not saying that my ship bonus idea should be implemented, just that there's no diversity right now other than roleplay back story and character looks. Why have races and bloodlines at all if everyone is the same? Sometimes the illusion of difference is just as important as a functional difference. Just ask the auto industry. --Vel I'm more of a care-badger.
Enilonee	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:06:00 - [5] Originally by: darius mclever one of the nice facts is that cross training people can compete at the same level as the native users of the ships. imho that values higher than some RP reason for bloodlines and ancestry. Diversity in a way is a hindrance - for new players. You need to decide but you don't actually know anything. By the time you have the knowledge to give it some thought several months have passed. To make matters worse, EVE is a extremely slow skilling game - you just might be a year into it and suddenly realize that a different choice would have been way better for you. And you'd need another year (or a half, as you are experienced now ;)) to recreate your progress... On the other hand the lack of diversity kills immersion. In no way does it matter which faction you belong to. - Well - you get a different basic ship... I too see a need to set factions apart. Maybe slight boni for the ships of your faction (in whichever form) plus different attributes but without the 2 initial remappings. The first remapping could be available 6 months into the game.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.12.02 16:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Enilonee .. I too see a need to set factions apart. Maybe slight boni for the ships of your faction (in whichever form) plus different attributes but without the 2 initial remappings. The first remapping could be available 6(4/2 whatever) months into the game. Bonuses. Boni is not a word in the English language. --Vel I'm more of a care-badger.
Eight Bit Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Enilonee Edited by: Enilonee on 02/12/2010 16:12:10 Edited by: Enilonee on 02/12/2010 16:10:49 Edited by: Enilonee on 02/12/2010 16:08:18 Originally by: darius mclever one of the nice facts is that cross training people can compete at the same level as the native users of the ships. imho that values higher than some RP reason for bloodlines and ancestry. Diversity in a way is a hindrance - for new players. You need to decide but you don't actually know anything. By the time you have the knowledge to give it some thought several months have passed. In WoW you don't decide on skills and stuff, just on a way of playing: close/ranged combat or magic. To make matters worse, EVE is a extremely slow skilling game - you just might be a year into it and suddenly realize that a different choice would have been way better for you. And you'd need another year (or a half, as you are experienced now ;)) to recreate your progress... In WoW you can see fairly quickly if a kind of character does suit you or not. (you can still screw up on the skilling though; but learning is so much faster) On the other hand the lack of diversity kills immersion. In no way does it matter which faction you belong to. - Well - you get a different basic ship... I too see a need to set factions apart. Maybe slight boni for the ships of your faction (in whichever form) plus different attributes but without the 2 initial remappings. The first remapping could be available 6(4/2 whatever) months into the game. A slight bonus is what I suggested, don't get me wrong, I've been playing Eve since the beginning of 2004 and back then there was no tutorial and I just followed my guts when I created this character as I knew nothing. I ended up with charisma as my highest attrib as I thought it would be handy to have a high charisma... little did I know ;) So yeah, in the end I was happy with the remap feature when it came out but then again, I learned to live with the char I created and that made the bond stronger. Everyone has their flaws, or atleast it used to be that way ;)
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:03:00 - [8] FAIL.... Seriously.... What would this add to the game? Nothing except an annoyance. I'm minmatar and exclusively fly minmatar ships so this would benefit me more than average and I'm against it due to the sheer stupidity of it. Race is about looks, starting position/standings and RP/background. Nothing else. There is no need to differentiate any further. Its counter intuitive and doesn't reflect reality at all. Now if you had said 'Add a skill for each race that any player reaching a certain standing with one of that's faction's corps can purchase it from' that would be a viable idea. The faction would only give it's advanced training to people it trusted that would give a bonus to that faction's ships. This makes sense and isn't restrictive like your idea. There is enough racism in IRL and in the game's RP, lets not hard-code it in as well.
Marchocias Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:06:00 - [9] OP wants enforced racial stereotyping? What a racist!
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:52:00 - [10] Not supported. Freedom is the ultimate power.
Enilonee	Posted - 2010.12.02 20:52:00 - [11] Originally by: De'Veldrin Bonuses. Boni is not a word in the English language. That was just a bit of my native language sneaking into my post Originally by: Rhinanna FAIL.... Seriously.... [...] Its counter intuitive and doesn't reflect reality at all. Seriously? It's a common thing for video-games, why would that be counter intuitive? FYI: This whole game doesn't reflect reality at all. I never EVER heard someone whine about racial differences in any other game. Besides: Different stats could easiely be explained by a different cultural background. That's even reflecting reality, as the environment/culture one is being brought up in does highly affect ones personality.
darius mclever	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Enilonee Seriously? It's a common thing for video-games, why would that be counter intuitive? FYI: This whole game doesn't reflect reality at all. I never EVER heard someone whine about racial differences in any other game. Besides: Different stats could easiely be explained by a different cultural background. That's even reflecting reality, as the environment/culture one is being brought up in does highly affect ones personality. because other games tell people "if you want to cross train you will loose all the skills you have atm". and your hindrance argument is laughable really. do you really expect newbies to be able to do everything right from the start? even small bonuses like 2-5% would be a deal breaker in close fights. so in the current situation if you lets say started as caldari and later noticed that caldari ships arent exactly ships you like, you can just train to fly minmatar ships and you will benefit from all the base skills, which you trained already. with the bonus you got to start over from scratch on an alt. thanks no.
Enilonee	Posted - 2010.12.02 21:28:00 - [13] Originally by: darius mclever and your hindrance argument is laughable really. This hindrance argument was an agrument showing the downside of a diversified system. Originally by: darius mclever with the bonus you got to start over from scratch on an alt. You just said this was laughable? Did you even try to understand what i said? This was exactly what i was saying. And it applies to new players even more, as the have no idea what long term consequences their choices bear. Originally by: darius mclever do you really expect newbies to be able to do everything right from the start? No, and i never implied that in any way.

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