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ToryAlexander Red Crown Industries	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:29:00 - [1] Edited by: ToryAlexander on 03/12/2010 02:35:23 Edited by: ToryAlexander on 03/12/2010 02:35:12 I paid an alliance named Snatch Victory 1 bil plus the wardec fee to kill this corporation named Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap for three weeks (Lonetrek invaded my corp and ransomed my full freighter). They declared war and all was going well for the first week or so. Then, I noticed that Snatch Victory had taken a few losses (which is fine) but they also quit getting kills. After I saw a fleet of four Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap members camping a gate I started a conversation with Niclas Solo, the guy I contacted to dec Lonetrek: ToryAlexander > hi Niclas Solo > hey tory ToryAlexander > I see a Lonetrek fleet camping the Jita gate in Sobaseki. Are you guys gonna take them out? ToryAlexander > I noticed that you haven't killed Lonetrek in a few days. Is everything alright? Niclas Solo > yeah but they wont come out and fight us. their too scared since we killed an ishtar a few days ago, but we have 13 guys ready now if they ever come out of their cave so dont u worry ToryAlexander > Well, their fleet is here in Sobaseki right now. ToryAlexander > Are you guys going to kill them? Niclas Solo > no, not right now, we dont have the numbers and we dont want to take any unnecessary losses. plus they have loads of neutral logistics so it wont be a fair fight. ToryAlexander > Seriously? I can give you ship types. They're in a Dramiel, two Cynabals, and a Hurricane. Niclas Solo > Lonetrek salvage and scrap likes to do log in traps ToryAlexander > So when will you fight them? Niclas Solo > when we get around to it ToryAlexander > Theres only four of them and you guys have 13 people. I paid you guys a billion ISK to fight them for three weeks and you only fought them for one. Niclas Solo > were not perfect we have 6 other contracts up right now were chasing other people ToryAlexander > Why not just come to Sobaseki and kill Lonetrek? I've told you where they are so you don't even have to look. And I paid you to fight them for three weeks. Niclas Solo > i g2g cya He then closed the convo but didn't log out for 15 minutes. I don't think they intended to rip me off when they accepted the contract, but they're very unprofessional mercenaries who didn't complete the contract we agreed upon. I could see them failing and getting beaten but they didn't even try to kill Lonetrek after they lost a few ships to them. I know Snatch has a good reputation but I have had a very bad experience with them. I do not recommend them to anybody. I have had a very bad experience with them and feel cheated out of a billion ISK.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 03/12/2010 02:35:37 /Treads on Egg Shells. IB4: He said She said Lonetrek Alt Epeen Wars Counter Dec Threats 5 Page Thread Hate Spam Flames Hi Sec Wars are Lame HTFU Delt With *Who Would Hire Also First -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Icas Otame The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.03 02:40:00 - [3] In before the "NO CHAT LOGS FOR YOU!". I shall look into this before making an actual post regarding it's validity.
Kickah	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:09:00 - [4] grieving is a process #1 we grieved raven feds, and we got bored with them 2# my friends deced raven fed, they also grief #3 they hired you "help we getting grieved! oh nooooo" we grief Snatch Victory ALLIANCE 31% success against 7active in corp with 2away #4 we offer snatch mutual war and they accept we have 3weeks with snatch sitting in logon traps all time LAWL 5# we join The Orphanage alliance to grief snatch victory some more +) we like, no we love grief. grief must be continued... Griefly Your kickah o/
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Kickah grieving is a process #1 we grieved raven feds, and we got bored with them 2# my friends deced raven fed, they also grief #3 they hired you "help we getting grieved! oh nooooo" we grief Snatch Victory ALLIANCE 31% success against 7active in corp with 2away #4 we offer snatch mutual war and they accept we have 3weeks with snatch sitting in logon traps all time LAWL 5# we join The Orphanage alliance to grief snatch victory some more +) we like, no we love grief. grief must be continued... Griefly Your kickah o/ Good Greif -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
lag kills Voodoo Tactical Ghost Syndicate.	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:28:00 - [6] keep in mind they're also at war with the 0rphanage, which is based out of jita. going over to fight a few lonetrek would mean also dealing with an adopt blob, most likely.
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:31:00 - [7] A merc doesnt have to get kills to be effective in a war dec. Just because you don't see mounds of corpses doesn't mean you got ripped off. 1) They can't make the enemy fight them ... what if the enemy docks up .. or logs 2) They can't make the enemy play the game ... what if they decide to avoid the war by playing their alts .. or not playing eve at all. If you REALLY wanted to rack up the kills .. you should have negotiated a pay-per-kill contract What you purchased realistically is making the target change their play style ... Snatch Victory would be one of the last Alliances to actually rip you off .. PRO-TIP: BEFORE running to the forums crying foul .. you really should have tried contacting Icas Otame in game .. nothing like getting on merc's bad side ... Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:47:00 - [8] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 03/12/2010 03:46:53 Originally by: The PitBoss PRO-TIP: BEFORE running to the forums crying foul .. you really should have tried contacting Icas Otame in game .. nothing like getting on merc's bad side ... There is absolutely NO fun in trolling Snatch (or any other merc corp) by contacting them first and getting a perfectly reasonable explanation. To the forums first I say! Support giving carebears new toys
Kickah	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:02:00 - [9] Originally by: lag kills keep in mind they're also at war with the 0rphanage, which is based out of jita. going over to fight a few lonetrek would mean also dealing with an adopt blob, most likely. lame excuses "keep in mind the 0rphanage is has 12 other wars and 2seconds into war you were in fleet with our war targets cry me a river scared little girl ))))
Slimy Worm Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:08:00 - [10] Edited by: Slimy Worm on 03/12/2010 04:15:23 Originally by: The PitBoss A merc doesnt have to get kills to be effective in a war dec. Just because you don't see mounds of corpses doesn't mean you got ripped off. 1) They can't make the enemy fight them ... what if the enemy docks up .. or logs 2) They can't make the enemy play the game ... what if they decide to avoid the war by playing their alts .. or not playing eve at all. If you REALLY wanted to rack up the kills .. you should have negotiated a pay-per-kill contract What you purchased realistically is making the target change their play style ... Snatch Victory would be one of the last Alliances to actually rip you off .. PRO-TIP: BEFORE running to the forums crying foul .. you really should have tried contacting Icas Otame in game .. nothing like getting on merc's bad side ... We reinforced and took out a medium POS while Snatch was at war with us. There was never once a single Snatch player in system with us while we were doing this. After we killed their Loki, Nighthawk, and Drake with our Curse, Ishtar, and Hurricane, Snatch rarely ever even made a half-hearted effort to kill us or change our playstyle. They killed one HAC once but that was the only other time they tried to kill us over the course of a few weeks. The OP is right. Snatch quit fighting after they lost, and apparently violated their contract with the OP too. ---------------

Slutskyr	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Kickah Originally by: lag kills keep in mind they're also at war with the 0rphanage, which is based out of jita. going over to fight a few lonetrek would mean also dealing with an adopt blob, most likely. lame excuses "keep in mind the 0rphanage is has 12 other wars and 2seconds into war you were in fleet with our war targets cry me a river scared little girl )))) The emo is strong in this one. Stay in school, kiddo.
Victoria Ehr Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:24:00 - [12] Originally by: The PitBoss A merc doesnt have to get kills to be effective in a war dec. Just because you don't see mounds of corpses doesn't mean you got ripped off. 1) They can't make the enemy fight them ... what if the enemy docks up .. or logs 2) They can't make the enemy play the game ... what if they decide to avoid the war by playing their alts .. or not playing eve at all. If you REALLY wanted to rack up the kills .. you should have negotiated a pay-per-kill contract What you purchased realistically is making the target change their play style ... Snatch Victory would be one of the last Alliances to actually rip you off .. PRO-TIP: BEFORE running to the forums crying foul .. you really should have tried contacting Icas Otame in game .. nothing like getting on merc's bad side ... i agree with ya on the sense that IF a corp does log or dock and not play its not possible to get kills thus resulting in a fail dec.. although that is the case we dont refuse to play the game when dec'd, we infact continue to hunt other targets whilst snatch runs around with there fingers up there a$$. that being said we HAVE docked up when seeing snatch coming with a 10+ gang when there is 3 of us in fleet.. but that is logic last time i checked. anyways. snatch lose. i win. end post -------------------------------------------- p3n1s p0op?! lulwut
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.03 05:20:00 - [13] hahahaha they infiltrated your corp and ransomed your freighter!! you sir are bad and deserve what you got! i mean **** its only a billion isk why dont you cry more lonetrek salvage and scrap are pretty much the only decent empire dwelling corp out there
Icer Xx Tempest Legion	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Corndog Sandwich hahahaha they infiltrated your corp and ransomed your freighter!! you sir are bad and deserve what you got! i mean **** its only a billion isk why dont you cry more lonetrek salvage and scrap are pretty much the only decent empire dwelling corp out there Yeah, at least my alliance didn't lose a titan to PL And cry hacks. Anyway, you're goonswarm, you know nothing of empire other than we swat bees.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.12.03 07:47:00 - [15] @ the OP: You hired the mercs to go fight for you because you (presumably) don't know how to. Don't expect to tell them where and when to fight. They're the experts, not you. Just sit back and let them do their job. With that said, you're wasting your isk hiring mercs (especially ones in a big corp) to take on some griefers like that. I've been in several griefer vs merc wars, and in the end the mercs walked away with isk, the griefers walked away with tears, and the client corp walked away with nothing (and everyone in opposite directions usually). Griefer corps usually excel at hit and run tactics, they pick their fights, and they won't engage unless they're pretty sure they'll win. In contrast, merc corps (especially big ones) are good for more static targets such as system denial, POS takedowns, or killing carebear/gankbear corps full of idiots (although in the case of carebears, a griefer corp could do a better job). The dec generally turns into a US military vs terrorists style conflict. The mercs will almost always win in a fair fight (or even if they're slightly outnumbered), but the griefers will never let them have one. The more superior the merc corp is in conventional pvp (either in raw skill of sheer number of ships they can field), the more the griefer corp will start using metagaming with hit and fade tactics. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
commander kosmo Los Matadores Ghost Syndicate.	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:05:00 - [16] People pay mercs all the time to shoot down this or that for myriad reasons. Sometimes they get their monies worth and sometimes they dont. Almost always there's some forum post that either praises their performance or slams it followed by a litany of trolls, flames and tears from 3rd parties. This is the true merc trophic circle. Unfortunately your post did nothing to convince the rabble that Snatch did anything wrong nor did it convince anyone Snatch is the best thing since sliced bread. You tried to play too much the diplomat and came away sounding like Plankton. Look, if they did you wrong you gotta call them out on it, if they didnt do you wrong then well don't come out here to play. If you take all the hyperbole out of your post all I read is 'We paid Snatch' which of course is exactly what Snatch wants you to say. If your gonna throw stones, don't toss them underhand, throw those bad boys with zeal and might. Tell us how you really feel, this fluffy funk will not do.
NereSky Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:29:00 - [17] Absolutely nothing can be gained by discussing this 'contract' on the forums, if anything it will alienate most people against you imo. You should have tried more diplomacy as a ex-merc with quite a lot of experience in the trade it can be difficult to gather forces at any particular time ie saying theres a camp 'right now' at X Y Z with X ships and types doesnt mean the Mercs will be, Some of them might be at work, eating tea, dinner etc or otherwise not online. I cannot comment on the targets nor my opinion of the mercs as tbh i dont know them and there is always 2 sides to every story. However if one of my ex clients was totally disatisfied with services on-going then maybe a part refund could be negotiated but after posting on the public forums if it was me refunding id give you squat, sorry
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.03 08:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Icer Xx Originally by: Corndog Sandwich hahahaha they infiltrated your corp and ransomed your freighter!! you sir are bad and deserve what you got! i mean **** its only a billion isk why dont you cry more lonetrek salvage and scrap are pretty much the only decent empire dwelling corp out there Yeah, at least my alliance didn't lose a titan to PL And cry hacks. Anyway, you're goonswarm, you know nothing of empire other than we swat bees. ahahahah look at you
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.12.03 09:49:00 - [19] Originally by: **skyr Originally by:** Kickah Originally by: lag kills keep in mind they're also at war with the 0rphanage, which is based out of jita. going over to fight a few lonetrek would mean also dealing with an adopt blob, most likely. lame excuses "keep in mind the 0rphanage is has 12 other wars and 2seconds into war you were in fleet with our war targets cry me a river scared little girl )))) The emo is strong in this one. Stay in school, kiddo. u mad bro? Also, +1 to kickah and crew!
ArmyOfMe Pastry Productions Inc. Aesir Empire	Posted - 2010.12.03 09:50:00 - [20] get in touch with me if your still looking for guys to hire

Niclas Solo Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.03 10:51:00 - [21] ooh what have i done so i deserve made up logs? :D sure i got some hatemails before but this is my first forum post :) is it because of that merlin i killed the other day? anyway thank you slimy worm for taking your time to do this, it was fun :) Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I build my own rigs so they are free.
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.12.03 11:26:00 - [22] Lonetrek salvage and crap are idiots. ~
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.03 14:25:00 - [23] Originally by: ToryAlexander I paid an alliance named Snatch Victory 1 bil plus the wardec fee to kill this corporation named Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap for three weeks (Lonetrek invaded my corp and ransomed my full freighter, and earlier one of their members who was then not in Lonetrek invaded a different corp of and then declared war which basically gutted that corp). ... The whole point of hiring a merc unit is to achieve clearly defined goals. This way there is no ambiguity and no vagueness that clutters up the situation. What you did was set up a contract where there were really no clearly defined goals. And because of that now you're unhappy because SV, in your view, didn't achieve goals you really didn't set. Really what kind of goal is "kill ... for three weeks"? Did they kill for three weeks? If so then contract fulfilled. If you wanted 50 enemy ships dead or a certain isk amount of ships destroyed/looted then that is what the contract should have been.
heheheh Phoenix Club	Posted - 2010.12.03 14:30:00 - [24] Just make sure that next time, what you want them to do is clearly defined in the contract.
The Olive1 Honored By Death Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.03 15:45:00 - [25] Cool another thread about Lonetrek walks out of room
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.03 16:25:00 - [26] Originally by: ToryAlexander Niclas Solo > were not perfect we have 6 other contracts up right now were chasing other people Tis why NMG. doesnt stack contracts very often, and never more than 2-3. I didnt read this as they scammed you or ripped you off. You paid 1b isk for them to add a 7 man corp wardec on top of their FIVE other contracts. I dont know what you were expecting but I'm fairly certain it was unreasonable. You would have been better off doing pay-per-kill pricing against a target that small with mercs that busy, or at the very least offered a much smaller up sum. So at worst you overpaid, and it wasnt anyone's fault but yours. ---
Toilarmius Minmatar Auxilia Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 03/12/2010 02:35:37 /Treads on Egg Shells. IB4: He said She said Lonetrek Alt Epeen Wars Counter Dec Threats 5 Page Thread Hate Spam Flames Hi Sec Wars are Lame HTFU Delt With Who Would Hire Also First Let's see how your checklist is holding up: He said She said, CHECK Lonetrek Alt CHECK Epeen Wars CHECK Counter Dec Threats MISSING 5 Page Thread MISSING Hate Spam CHECK Flames CHECK Hi Sec Wars are Lame MISSING HTFU MISSING Delt With MISSING Who Would Hire CHECK Your list is 54.5% complete. I'll keep observing. Originally by:* CCP Fallout I can scan (but don't have time atm) a picture of one of my mother's modeling photos and you'd see hers as well, and she's more obviously a women than I'll ever be.
Zeddicus Mallows	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:32:00 - [28] Look how cute, Lonetrek needing more attention so they make up chat logs. Good thing nobody pays Lone much attention considering all the work we have currently and the backlog that we have for the future :).
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:37:00 - [29] Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: ________________________________________________
NightmareX Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:15:00 - [30] Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP.

Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.03 20:44:00 - [31] Originally by: The Olive1 Cool another thread about Lonetrek walks out of room Lonetrek does seem to be the drama queen region of Eve.
ectweak Amarr 1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:17:00 - [32] Edited by: ectweak on 03/12/2010 22:17:48 no one cares about hisec wars; 0.0 is best; HTFU gah, almost snipe
Arc Perish	Posted - 2010.12.04 02:23:00 - [33] Edited by: Arc Perish on 04/12/2010 02:23:53 Niclas Solo just told you whats up, he didn't even try to lie.
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.04 03:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Corndog Sandwich on 04/12/2010 03:49:50 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. hahaha barely. cant even anchor bubbles, cant use dictors, cant use cap ships, have to rely on neutral logistics, cant shoot anyone anywhere, only preys on weak targets of your choosing, not to mention the fact its empire but i guess its pvp what am I saying goons only blob and have zero skill at this game, we are terrible and lose titans to PL
Niclas Solo Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.04 04:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Corndog Sandwich Edited by: Corndog Sandwich on 04/12/2010 03:49:50 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. what am I saying goons only blob and have zero skill at this game, we are terrible and lose titans to PL Yeah i guess that sum it up... if you can't sit 150km behind a bubbel and shot whatever gets stuck in it or drop 34 caps on a rifter this game could take some skill to play and be a bit hard for the blob lovers. thank god not everyone need to use their brain to pvp in this game. Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I build my own rigs so they are free.
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.04 04:56:00 - [36] Edited by: Corndog Sandwich on 04/12/2010 04:57:42 Originally by: Niclas Solo Originally by: Corndog Sandwich Edited by: Corndog Sandwich on 04/12/2010 03:49:50 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. what am I saying goons only blob and have zero skill at this game, we are terrible and lose titans to PL Yeah i guess that sum it up... if you can't sit 150km behind a bubbel and shot whatever gets stuck in it or drop 34 caps on a rifter this game could take some skill to play and be a bit hard for the blob lovers. thank god not everyone need to use their brain to pvp in this game. yea not like every 0.0 alliance out there has a small gang pvp group edit: lol you really think everyone blobs right? i bet you do
Honest Jill	Posted - 2010.12.04 04:57:00 - [37] Edited by: Honest Jill on 04/12/2010 05:03:05 Originally by: ToryAlexander Edited by: ToryAlexander on 03/12/2010 22:21:50 I paid an alliance named Snatch Victory 1 bil plus the wardec fee to kill this corporation named Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap for three weeks... I was ripped off because Snatch only fought them for one week, even though I paid them to fight them for three. It would be fine if Lonetrek's playstyle were inhibited and they had to dock up and not play, but they continued to kill people and (as one of them noted on this thread) even reinforced and took out a POS while Snatch was at war with them. However, the war started out fine. All was going well for the first week or so. Then, I noticed that Snatch Victory had taken a few losses (which is fine) but they also quit getting kills... Originally by: Niclas Solo ooh what have i done so i deserve made up logs? :D sure i got some hatemails before but this is my first forum post :) is it because of that merlin i killed the other day? anyway thank you slimy worm for taking your time to do this, it was fun :) so let me get this straight: 1) toryalexander pays you 1 bil to fight lonetrek scrap & salvage for a week 2) your alliance fights them for 1 week 3) after that week, your alliance gets their butts kicked and no longer tries to stop lonetrek from undocking, much less fight them 4) toryalexander posts on the forums about it instead of trying to go through you guys first 5) you claim slimy worm is behind toryalexander's post somehow i believe toryalexander. her story is plausible but its quite a stretch to say that shes a lonetrek alt, much less slimy worms alt, unless you see her give neutral rr to lonetrek a lot but even then, how do you know shes slimys?
Niclas Solo Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.04 14:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Honest Jill Edited by: Honest Jill on 04/12/2010 05:03:05 Originally by: ToryAlexander Edited by: ToryAlexander on 03/12/2010 22:21:50 I paid an alliance named Snatch Victory 1 bil plus the wardec fee to kill this corporation named Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap for three weeks... I was ripped off because Snatch only fought them for one week, even though I paid them to fight them for three. It would be fine if Lonetrek's playstyle were inhibited and they had to dock up and not play, but they continued to kill people and (as one of them noted on this thread) even reinforced and took out a POS while Snatch was at war with them. However, the war started out fine. All was going well for the first week or so. Then, I noticed that Snatch Victory had taken a few losses (which is fine) but they also quit getting kills... Originally by: Niclas Solo ooh what have i done so i deserve made up logs? :D sure i got some hatemails before but this is my first forum post :) is it because of that merlin i killed the other day? anyway thank you slimy worm for taking your time to do this, it was fun :) so let me get this straight: 1) toryalexander pays you 1 bil to fight lonetrek scrap & salvage for a week 2) your alliance fights them for 1 week 3) after that week, your alliance gets their butts kicked and no longer tries to stop lonetrek from undocking, much less fight them 4) toryalexander posts on the forums about it instead of trying to go through you guys first 5) you claim slimy worm is behind toryalexander's post somehow i believe toryalexander. her story is plausible but its quite a stretch to say that shes a lonetrek alt, much less slimy worms alt, unless you see her give neutral rr to lonetrek a lot but even then, how do you know shes slimys? 1. You wouldn't pay me i have nothing to do with SV contracts. Talk with icas, fitz420 or rivqua if you want to dec someone. 2,3 loseing 1 ship doesn't hurt our butts so much, they have been camped but just like us they have a lot of alts so it's hard to sneak up on them. 4,5 Only other person i seen calling us a scammer is slimy worm and this post happen a couple of hours after i called him a idiot here. also this post fit the smack he likes to do. How about toryalexander give his API to a trusted 3rd party and lets see if he have ever given me or SV any isk or if he have anything to do with LSS. Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I build my own rigs so they are free.
Marchocias Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.04 14:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Honest Jill somehow i believe toryalexander. her story is plausible but its quite a stretch to say that shes a lonetrek alt, much less slimy worms alt, unless you see her give neutral rr to lonetrek a lot but even then, how do you know shes slimys? I have a number of alts, only 1 of which has ever given me remote repair. Are the others unlikely to be mine? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Private Member	Posted - 2010.12.04 15:14:00 - [40] Lol - fake chatlog is kinda funny, but obviously fake: 1) Look at the correlation - 2 threads EVER have accused SV of being scammers. Both started within weeks of each other, and both in direct reference of the same wardec contract. 2) Look at the nonsense - why would Niclas even bother to bring up the subject of login traps, especially as a tactic employed by a smaller force? Its something that SV and other mercs get accused of all the time, even though in general its a bunch of bull. They don't accuse other people of this, as they know full well how whiney and childish it would look. 3) Look at the people - Lonetrek are all over this... again. 4) Niclas doesn't write like that... nor would he have anything to do with discussing contracts with clients. Any serious client would contact the original person with whom they arranged the contract, or one of the other designated people. These people are publically known and do not include Niclas. This is all a pretty obvious attempt by Lonetrek to revive a bit of griefing that they must have had fun with last time. Unfortunately theres nothing original here, just a bad script, and the same tired jokes. Not a worthy sequel.

Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.12.04 16:57:00 - [41] What a shocker. A merc corp that is terrible and totally quits after a few losses. Why is anybody here surprised? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Cryocasm Task Force A.S.T.E.R.O.I.D	Posted - 2010.12.04 17:01:00 - [42] I'm not surprised at all, as far as I know, The 0rphanage has Snatch dec'd. Now guess where they hang out, in Jita. Snatch isn't going to come into Jita to get murdered by +30 wt.
Allataria Caldari EdgeGamers Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2010.12.04 18:10:00 - [43] lol lonetrek alt trolling in the forums against a merc corp.... someone get him some kleenex while i make the rest of us popcorn
Del Preston	Posted - 2010.12.04 18:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Cryocasm I'm not surprised at all, as far as I know, The 0rphanage has Snatch dec'd. Now guess where they hang out, in Jita. Snatch isn't going to come into Jita to get murdered by +30 wt. you're an idiot
Shiho Weitong Caldari Koa Mai Hoku	Posted - 2010.12.04 20:40:00 - [45] Edited by: Shiho Weitong on 04/12/2010 20:40:09 THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH. Planned edit: Now check it off on the list. ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.12.05 02:36:00 - [46] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads ________________________________________________
Frug Omega Wing	Posted - 2010.12.05 03:11:00 - [47] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads I resent that. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Icas Otame The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.05 03:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Frug Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads I resemble that. Fixed for you.
Frug Omega Wing Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.05 04:00:00 - [49] Why don't you go dishonor a contract or something, Icas. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor
Tyd Drakken PARABELUM-Project Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.05 04:41:00 - [50] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads want me to remember when you was doing that kind of pvp ?

NightmareX Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.05 09:21:00 - [51] Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.12.05 10:04:00 - [52] Originally by: NightmareX Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP Totally irony overload. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
gn730qn4gjq3n4gqn348gnq3	Posted - 2010.12.05 12:08:00 - [53] Edited by: gn730qn4gjq3n4gqn348gnq3 on 05/12/2010 12:08:56 Originally by: Honest Jill Quote: I paid an alliance named Snatch Victory 1 bil plus the wardec fee to kill this corporation named Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap for three weeks... so let me get this straight: 1) toryalexander pays you 1 bil to fight lonetrek scrap & salvage for a week 2) your alliance fights them *for 1 week* Pfffshhchhhttt
Slutskyr	Posted - 2010.12.05 14:10:00 - [54] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP Nightmarex and PvP= syntax error. Go back to 4-4.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.12.05 14:53:00 - [55] Originally by: **skyr Originally by:** NightmareX Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP Nightmarex and PvP= syntax error. Go back to *Sisi*. Fixed ---
Crushall Caldari The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.05 16:20:00 - [56] Edited by: Crushall on 05/12/2010 16:22:12 ...
Gandar Kimokanen Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:27:00 - [57] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 03/12/2010 17:37:26 :highsec pvp: Still PVP. for bads Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi.
myEpic2 The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:27:00 - [58] Originally by: NightmareX Yeah i know i'm bad ass in PVP
Slimy Worm Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). ---------------
Niclas Solo Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). Look who is talking... less chating and more fighting please. where the ** are you guys hiding. Originally by:** Thorian Baalnorn I build my own rigs so they are free.

Slimy Worm Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:34:00 - [61] Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 08:21:01 Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 04:40:57 Originally by: Niclas Solo Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). Look who is talking... less chating and more fighting please. where the **** are you guys hiding. Well, we reinforced and then took out a POS less than two weeks ago. Why didn't you even try to fight our POS-bashing ships? Since then, we've mainly been roaming around Caldari space and griefing missionbears in the major hubs therein. This weekend, we haven't had a single kill in Jita. We've been able to grief as if your alliance hadn't decced us. You guys not only lost but also gave up to a nine-man griefer corp that you were paid to dec, and let us bait you on the forums into doing stupid things. Suck it up and move on. EDIT: lol Snatch baited on the forums again ---------------
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.06 08:21:00 - [62] woah they took out a pos
Kickah	Posted - 2010.12.06 08:44:00 - [63] Edited by: Kickah on 06/12/2010 08:48:00 Originally by: Corndog Sandwich woah they took out a pos he made a point, that we took 1 armed pos during wars with snatch victory and 4 other corps/alliances. snatch didn't disrupt our operations, but they gave us wonderful grief memories, lame excuses and lols I thank Snatch Victory on behalf SLVG) who wants some grief?)
PreZiDenT1 The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.06 12:05:00 - [64] I'm impressed.
MushMush Minmatar Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Slimy Worm Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 09:50:40 Originally by: Niclas Solo Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). Look who is talking... less chating and more fighting please. where the **** are you guys hiding. Well, we reinforced and then took out a POS less than two weeks ago. Why didn't you even try to fight our POS-bashing ships? Since then, we've mainly been roaming around Caldari space and griefing missionbears in the major hubs therein. This weekend, we haven't had a single kill in Jita. We've been able to grief as if your alliance hadn't decced us. You guys not only lost but also gave up to a nine-man griefer corp that you were paid to dec, and let us bait you on the forums into doing stupid things. Suck it up and move on. EDIT: lol Snatch got baited on the forums into losing a ship again You are of course refering to this campaign right? http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3425 Although its a little misleading as it has been split into two on the KB, the initial half is here http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3395 Or as its really just one war you can see the whole picture here http://www.snatchvictory.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=101 Ta.
VolatileOne	Posted - 2010.12.06 17:28:00 - [66] Originally by: MushMush Originally by: Slimy Worm Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 09:50:40 You are of course refering to this campaign right? http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3425 Although its a little misleading as it has been split into two on the KB, the initial half is here http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3395 Or as its really just one war you can see the whole picture here http://www.snatchvictory.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=101 Ta. I approve of this metaphorical slap in the face ^
Gandar Kimokanen Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:48:00 - [67] Edited by: Gandar Kimokanen on 06/12/2010 19:48:57 Edited by: Gandar Kimokanen on 06/12/2010 19:48:37 Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). This is my alt you r-etard. Main: http://reikoku.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=27430 Please fail abit more will you
NightmareX Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:50:00 - [68] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/12/2010 19:51:00 Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). Just so you know it. Gandar Kimokanen is an alt to Bailian Moxtain that is in the same corp as Gandar. EDIT: Oh lol, got beaten by Gandar him self.
Gandar Kimokanen Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:03:00 - [69] Edited by: Gandar Kimokanen on 06/12/2010 20:03:56 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/12/2010 19:51:00 Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). Just so you know it. Gandar Kimokanen is an alt to Bailian Moxtain that is in the same corp as Gandar. EDIT: Oh lol, got beaten by Gandar him self.
Zelot Blueice XTC Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:15:00 - [70] 0/10 sh*t thread. Snatch > Orphanage ____________________________________________ POS Management Proposal

Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.06 21:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Kickah Edited by: Kickah on 06/12/2010 08:48:00 Originally by: Corndog Sandwich woah they took out a pos he made a point, that we took 1 armed pos during wars with snatch victory and 4 other corps/alliances. umm ok?? i and three other dudes have taken out a pos with stealth bombers and that was in space where anyone can shoot :P highsec wars
Slimy Worm Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.06 22:28:00 - [72] Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 22:30:25 Originally by: MushMush Originally by: Niclas Solo Look who is talking... less chating and more fighting please. where the **** are you guys hiding. You are of course refering to this campaign right? http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3425 Although its a little misleading as it has been split into two on the KB, the initial half is here http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3395 Or as its really just one war you can see the whole picture here http://www.snatchvictory.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=101 Ta. No, this one. Notice your corp's 31% efficiency against us. Derp. ---------------
Hue Janus	Posted - 2010.12.07 08:43:00 - [73] Originally by: Slimy Worm Edited by: Slimy Worm on 06/12/2010 23:28:35 Originally by: MushMush Originally by: Niclas Solo Look who is talking... less chating and more fighting please. where the **** are you guys hiding. You are of course refering to this campaign right? http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3425 Although its a little misleading as it has been split into two on the KB, the initial half is here http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=3395 Or as its really just one war you can see the whole picture here http://www.snatchvictory.com/killboard/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=101 Ta. No, this one. Notice your corp's 31% efficiency against us. Derp. Not to be a pedant but the kill you linked belongs to 0rphanage, your alliance. As such the stats linked back are relevent to your post. Orphanage performance is your performance.
sukmanobov Minmatar The Priesthood The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.12.08 23:58:00 - [74] Originally by: ToryAlexander ToryAlexander > hi Niclas Solo > hey tory Snatch are at war with us atm. while they give us a good run for our money in mad / nia & amarr area. you wont see them in jita as wee hold sway in the undock with silly amounts of alpha and soba is just next door. Next time if you want a contract on a corp in jita area hire us or a allaince that isn't at war with us atm. -------------------------------- http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1370931&page=1 ------
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.12.10 14:58:00 - [75] I don't know the whole story. But the reactions from other merc corps isn't very reassuring. If a merc corp is incapable of kicking someoneÆs ____ for whatever reason (other war decs, not many in that area, or the other side uses neutral rr and they can't cope with that etc.) they should tell their client that and not take the contract. If that merc corp just takes the money and ignores the contract because they can't do it they should be called out. Again I'm not saying that is what happened here. But some of the responses from merc corps seem not to contradict that this is what happened but instead say even if that did happen itÆs the clients fault. I donÆt think most merc corps work that way but why paint yourself that way? BTW if a corp docks up the entire time sure everyone knows that can happen. But if that corp is out doing their regular business and the merc corp just takes the money and ignores themà. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Slimy Worm Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.12.10 16:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen Edited by: Gandar Kimokanen on 06/12/2010 19:48:57 Edited by: Gandar Kimokanen on 06/12/2010 19:48:37 Originally by: Slimy Worm Originally by: Gandar Kimokanen You are terrible. Go hug your baby killboardstats and 4-4 Jita station. You didnt even dare to do a 1vs1 in your vindi. You're in BloB. Since when do you do real PvP? According to BattleClinic, you only have three non-structure kills that involved less than three people in 2010. You're basically a gankbear. Gankbearing is a valid play-style in Eve, but you shouldn't call people out for not doing 1v1's when you only have one solo killmail (you have two, counting capsules). This is my alt you r-etard. Main: http://reikoku.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=27430 Please fail abit more will you Did you really need 103 people to kill this Phobos: http://reikoku.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7916195 Looking at the first few pages of your main's killboard, you solo'd an Ibis but that's it. And have one 2v1. So yeah, you're a gankbear. ---------------


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