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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.12.04 14:36:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: DeliaPrescot
So Cista2 pays out all investors and had a good laugh afterall. Am i right?
Right to the point, sir.
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49473
Jita Trade and Research Institute
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Posted - 2010.12.04 15:07:00 -
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Cista2, what profit have you made running these investments?
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.04 15:10:00 -
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I am one of the Relucant investors still left in the private bank. And i'm not pulling the money out. Cista2 is a good person. Yes i know i'm sucking up. But she deserves it. 
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Rykker Bow
Gallente
Cordite Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.04 15:25:00 -
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On another note, I'm very impressed with the management of your ventures Cista. Very professional and transparent. I'm even more impressed with your ability to keep your sanity while doing all that you've done. I'll be there to invest in you again when you're ready to start your next project. I'm thinking you'll get the itch again and be back soon enough 
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Krythas
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Posted - 2010.12.04 16:14:00 -
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Thanks for the run Cista, one of the more trustworthy people on MD. I echo Rykkers sentiments.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.12.04 16:43:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Misha M'Liena
I am one of the Relucant investors still left in the private bank.
Same here.
Also: what Rykker and Krythas said.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2010.12.04 17:29:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Cista2
From this date onwards I will not be paying out any investors in bonds and shares. That period has ended.
That's plenty of credit for Ji Sama. Are you trying to build up a reputation?
And for how long could folks like Stealing Honest pay interest with the money you "made" here?
lol
Do you realize how stupid you look right now?
SH
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.12.04 18:07:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
MD trolling really is quit the artform.
Interesting with the many edits on page one.
Trolling is such a negative word, which I associate with an intention of disturbing someone's business. I wanted to make a simple statement that despite of difficult gameplay conditions, and despite a harsh environment on MD, it is possible to run an honest business on a large scale over a period of time.
I shouldn't really need to prove anything, because TornSoul, LadyofWrath and Cosmoray have done so for years. But people tend to forget that because the latest Bab Bobby scam gets all the attention.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.12.04 18:48:00 -
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Bravo Cista !
And its funny how bad our "cringe response" is. Its so easy to leap to the wrong conclusion for people. (although I too wasn't 100% sure of what you were announcing in the first post as "I'm through" and "I am paying off obligations and going private" are a bit different.
... but I think you were purposely looking forward to the "misunderstandings".
I'm curious... with 20/20 hindsight, would you have still opted for the publicly funded approach or do you think the time you spend reporting to investors took away more isk earning time, so that you would have been better off using all of your own (albeit initially smaller) pool of isk to build your fortunes ?
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satane
Amarr
The Contracteere
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:07:00 -
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good run cista2!, ive always liked youre work, hope to see you still around :P
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Corcyrus Endymion
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:19:00 -
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Loved the way your OP seemed entirely ambiguous.
"I will not be paying out any investors in bonds and shares" . Which indeed you won't, but doesn't really mean anything. Most of the time shareholders are paid out in isk rather than bonds and shares
+1 For the assorted quotes.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:35:00 -
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I always had confidence that the funds Cista ran that I invested in would pay out in full :)
Great job showing integrity and honesty despite all the Naysayers Cista! :)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:37:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Bravo Cista !
And its funny how bad our "cringe response" is. Its so easy to leap to the wrong conclusion for people. (although I too wasn't 100% sure of what you were announcing in the first post as "I'm through" and "I am paying off obligations and going private" are a bit different.
... but I think you were purposely looking forward to the "misunderstandings".
... which is not good, because with the recent large scams it'd be of utmost importance to keep a "professional", certainly not ambiguous stance.
With this sort of threads, the good side of me is thinking "phew it was not a scam for once!" but the bad side is thinking: "this created a sort of new "trust bubble" that could be exploited to leverage the now ossequiating investors into 200...300... unsecured billions".
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Jenny Jihad
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Jihad on 04/12/2010 19:41:54
Edited by: Jenny Jihad on 04/12/2010 19:41:38
Originally by: RAW23
God people are a lot stupider than I gave them credit for and I gave them a lot of credit for being stupid.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:43:00 -
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Quote:
I wanted to make a simple statement that despite of difficult gameplay conditions, and despite a harsh environment on MD, it is possible to run an honest business on a large scale over a period of time.
Having been somewhat critical of your offerings, have to say, good to see that sentiment and congratulations on a successful close to your offerings. Can't blame you at all for wanting to lure a few people into making petty remarks with this thread, which was fairly transparent in all fairness. Best of luck with whatever you do next.
ps, can we have your History of MD pt 2 now please, first part was a nice change of pace for MD posts, and well worthwhile for new people to this forum to read
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Ari Chu
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Posted - 2010.12.04 20:46:00 -
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Says quite a bit about EVE/people when something that is NOT a scam is thread worthy for not being a scam.
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Marcus Baltar
Savaran Zhayedan Spah
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Posted - 2010.12.04 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Baltar on 04/12/2010 20:48:25
I guess everyone realises this was not a scam by now, but I will make this post anyway;
As an investor in some of Cista2's investments I can confirm that I have received all the expected interest, and all principal repayments.
As one of those in the HFS "private bank", I can confirm that I received all my money back within hours of asking today.
I will be more than willing to place further investments with Cista2 in the future and congratulate them on their running of past investments.
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:04:00 -
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Ok, I admit, your post did make me panic at first because it was a bit ambigious. It was also a bit confusing because at one point I had close to 30b invested but since two weeks ago everything had been repaid except for 5b. It struck me as an odd time to scam only now.
So thanks Cista2, your post actually made me resub my account just to check if everything was repaid :) (Luckily I had a PLEX non-redeemed for just such an occasion!)
I can confirm that everything has been repaid, including interest.
Good luck in your future adventures, so long, and thanks for all the iskies!
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.05 00:06:00 -
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I'd invest again as well, even if you scared the hell out of me first thing after waking up 
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.12.05 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
I wanted to make a simple statement that despite of difficult gameplay conditions, and despite a harsh environment on MD, it is possible to run an honest business on a large scale over a period of time.
Of course it is, scams get filled too. I don't recall now why I wrote the quoted text, but probably was because that particular offering was not beneficial to you or did not make much sense, I'm very sceptical to offerings that are not as beneficial to the lender as to the lendee. Then again, as I've said quite a few times here to people worried about how others could see their own offerings, if scams get filled, I see no reason to not try the same approach any scam takes but paying at the end. That does not mean that I agree with the approach or that I won't be as critical, but that same people would put their money in any similar offering, so you could as well use that money for a true offering. It proves nothing outside of your will, it has been proved over and over again that scams can be run on MD, so any business can do the same, as to the difficult gameplay conditions, I'm not aware of what are you talking, could you clarify on what are those? Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
With this sort of threads, the good side of me is thinking "phew it was not a scam for once!" but the bad side is thinking: "this created a sort of new "trust bubble" that could be exploited to leverage the now ossequiating investors into 200...300... unsecured billions".
I'm perhaps a little pesimist here, but I think it doesn't matter, I've seen over and over people throwing money at dubious offerings, sometimes they don't end at scam, most times they do, but there is always people prepared to fund that offerings, I don't think it makes any difference, even cosmoray repeated remainders of 100% past failure percentage in some offering types didn't stop some people to burn money on those.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.05 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
I wanted to make a simple statement that despite of difficult gameplay conditions, and despite a harsh environment on MD, it is possible to run an honest business on a large scale over a period of time.
I shouldn't really need to prove anything, because TornSoul, LadyofWrath and Cosmoray have done so for years. But people tend to forget that because the latest Bab Bobby scam gets all the attention.
This is hardly suprising when the impact of a scam is generally much larger than the impact of an honest venture.
In most cases the chief beneficiary of an honest venture is the venture manager themselves, if not in isk then in the accrual of good will that can be used to aquire more funding. The investors rarely get much from the whole process.
On the other hand a scam will generally claim a large percentage, if not all, of the invested isk as well as causing widespread disruption in the marketplace.
The only honest ventures that can hope to make an impact on a par with a sizeable scam are the very rare ones that really push the boundaries of what can be done with public investment.
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Ave Volta
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
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Posted - 2010.12.05 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
The only honest ventures that can hope to make an impact on a par with a sizeable scam are the very rare ones that really push the boundaries of what can be done with public investment.
This is very true.
Public investments also aren't the only form of honest business. Think of the thousands of nameless industrialists, like myself, with production lines who quietly go about runing their businesses. Add to that all the successful services like RF, Kazuo's compression, Block's ventures, and the list goes on and on. When you think about it on that level, then scams become a very small percentage of the total.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2010.12.05 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 05/12/2010 03:15:37
Originally by: Bad Bobby
This is hardly suprising when the impact of a scam is generally much larger than the impact of an honest venture.
In most cases the chief beneficiary of an honest venture is the venture manager themselves, if not in isk then in the accrual of good will that can be used to aquire more funding. The investors rarely get much from the whole process.
On the other hand a scam will generally claim a large percentage, if not all, of the invested isk as well as causing widespread disruption in the marketplace.
The only honest ventures that can hope to make an impact on a par with a sizeable scam are the very rare ones that really push the boundaries of what can be done with public investment.
I hope no-one listens to this awful advice. And Bad Bobby, you turned out to be a communist after all.
Edit: Sorry Cista, not meaning to derail your thread. Congratulations on your succesful trading btw
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Luxotor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.05 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: satane
good run cista2!, ive always liked youre work, hope to see you still around :P
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2010.12.05 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
In most cases the chief beneficiary of an honest venture is the venture manager themselves, if not in isk then in the accrual of good will that can be used to aquire more funding. The investors rarely get much from the whole process.
Maybe you shouldn't assume the answer and rather ask an investor to a fund that didn't get scammed if they agree.
Originally by: Bad Bobby
The only honest ventures that can hope to make an impact on a par with a sizeable scam are the very rare ones that really push the boundaries of what can be done with public investment.
Bah. Most of eve gets by on common acts of decency, experienced players helping newbies, corp members helping budding industrialist, the rich helping they poor. Most people are decent, even in this cut throat universe. All of those transaction have a much large impact that anything that happens here. Scams, even large ones are a blip on overall investment.
PS, can I have my Billion back?
Pardon the derail Cista. Congratulations, I can honestly say I'm impressed with the amount of work it must have taken you.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 07:30:00 -
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Ambiguous posts that could be interpreted in any number of ways are lame and very ebank-ish. You suck.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.05 10:28:00 -
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Well, throughout your time on MD you have succeeded in rewarding your investors well, confusing many of the masses, and winding up the rest. I guess it was inevitable that your retirement would have to be marked by one last wind up
Since your first bond I have been an investor and supporter, although I have always said you were a little crazy.
So, thank you for all the fish, and for the ride!
Mag
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Nemi Lethal
Gallente
DarkStar Armada
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Posted - 2010.12.06 04:27:00 -
[58]
classic 
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.12.06 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Jihad
Edited by: Jenny Jihad on 04/12/2010 19:41:54
Edited by: Jenny Jihad on 04/12/2010 19:41:38
Originally by: RAW23
God people are a lot stupider than I gave them credit for and I gave them a lot of credit for being stupid.
Yes, I was very stupid for suggesting that this might be a wind up rather than a scam. Oh, wait ... 
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 10:01:00 -
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Great work Cista,
I got every ISK back that I invested wth you plus a reasonable profit - enjoy the game.
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