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Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.05 17:25:00 - [1] If you bring a carrier to an anomaly in a class 1 will battleships spawn? In higher class w space I know they do. It appears they do from DaOpa's site but I'd like to be sure.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.05 17:31:00 - [2] No. It's not like you can't tank them anyway.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.05 17:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Daneel Trevize No. It's not like you can't tank them anyway. The first sentence made perfect sense. The second sentence was jibberish.
Asarus Atreyu The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2010.12.05 18:08:00 - [4] Escalations only occur in C5/6 wormholes ---------------------- Interested in a change? Come see what wormhole life offers in LOST-Pub!
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.05 18:09:00 - [5] Why didn't you just try it with your fleetmates ready to go? Not like you'd benefit from a carrier doing C1s without the bonus spawn, so I expect you would have been ready to tank and spank BSs. Or just assign fighters to someone ready to warp out? http://www.ellatha.com/eve/ looks a bit out of date btw.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.05 18:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Daneel Trevize Why didn't you just try it with your fleetmates ready to go? Not like you'd benefit from a carrier doing C1s without the bonus spawn, so I expect you would have been ready to tank and spank BSs. Or just assign fighters to someone ready to warp out? http://www.ellatha.com/eve/ looks a bit out of date btw. Because building a carrier in a c1 without BS spawns would be a huge waste of resources.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.05 18:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Daneel Trevize Why didn't you just try it with your fleetmates ready to go? Not like you'd benefit from a carrier doing C1s without the bonus spawn, so I expect you would have been ready to tank and spank BSs. Or just assign fighters to someone ready to warp out? http://www.ellatha.com/eve/ looks a bit out of date btw. Because building a carrier in a c1 without BS spawns would be a huge waste of resources. I've seen some caps in some pretty terrible wormholes. Selling C4 Wormhole w/C3 Static
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.12.05 19:34:00 - [8] A lot of people seem to think that building a carrier in their low-end w-space and then leaving it out in the POS shield makes them look badass and ready to defend their turf against all comers. In reality, it just screams that you're exactly the opposite.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Boltorano A lot of people seem to think that building a carrier in their low-end w-space and then leaving it out in the POS shield makes them look badass and ready to defend their turf against all comers. In reality, it just screams that you're exactly the opposite. I guess that completely depends on if they spawn BS's or not. If they spawn BS's you're looking at an extra couple hundred mil isk per day. Well as far as building them is concerned. Leaving them out is in fact lame. From the information I have been able to find, it appears the information obtained on BS spawns was never tried in lower than class 4. They do in fact spawn in class 4's which is contradictory to what was posted in this thread.
Kassa Daito Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Kassa Daito on 05/12/2010 22:49:41 @OP: No. You must be in class 4 or higher wormholes before capitals will spawn any extra BS. As an extra bonus nugget of information, Rorquals actually make fairly good shield RR ships and do not generate capital spawns in any class wormhole. They therefore make fairly good RR support while you clear our the first wave of your site before bringing in the carriers for the escalations (if your ships can't handle escalation DPS + first wave DPS). ** Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated

Scout1111	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Asarus Atreyu Escalations only occur in C5/6 wormholes Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Capital escalations, however, only occur in C5/C6 to the best of my knowledge.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Scout1111 Originally by: Asarus Atreyu Escalations only occur in C5/6 wormholes Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Capital escalations, however, only occur in C5/C6 to the best of my knowledge. I'm going to call BS on this. Selling C4 Wormhole w/C3 Static
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 06/12/2010 00:43:34 Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Scout1111 Originally by: Asarus Atreyu Escalations only occur in C5/6 wormholes Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Capital escalations, however, only occur in C5/C6 to the best of my knowledge. I'm going to call BS on this. Likewise. He is right about the C5/6 capital escalations though; they do not occur in C4's and below.
Angie McFish Gallente Caldari Industrial Capitalist Consortium	Posted - 2010.12.06 17:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Boltorano A lot of people seem to think that building a carrier in their low-end w-space and then leaving it out in the POS shield makes them look badass and ready to defend their turf against all comers. In reality, it just screams that you're exactly the opposite. I guess that completely depends on if they spawn BS's or not. If they spawn BS's you're looking at an extra couple hundred mil isk per day. Well as far as building them is concerned. Leaving them out is in fact lame. From the information I have been able to find, it appears the information obtained on BS spawns was never tried in lower than class 4. *They do in fact spawn in class 4's* which is contradictory to what was posted in this thread. There will be no escalations in any C4. I've been living in a C4 for the last 5 months and we just got a carrier in here. We've tried multiple times, no escalations.
Scout1111	Posted - 2010.12.06 17:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Scout1111 Originally by: Asarus Atreyu Escalations only occur in C5/6 wormholes Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Capital escalations, however, only occur in C5/C6 to the best of my knowledge. I'm going to call BS on this. Have you run a large amount of anamolies? 95% of the time they will conform perfectly to the information online. However, every so often when I am solo'ing in my drake, the triggers will change, or I'll get that talocan ship spawn. These coincide with stronger waves of sleepers and happen very rarely when solo, so the average WH goer does not see it happen. In fact, right off eve-survival: Quote: Sleeper Site Escalation Site escalation can be caused when you bring a large force into a site (capitals, large amounts of non-capital ships, etc). Site escalation does seem to also happen randomly on occasion, even without the presence of a large force. Site escalation may cause extra sleepers to spawn and additional waves to have increased spawn counts. Additionally, site escalation does not always seem to happen. This form of escalation was put in place to provide an extra challenge when players bring in more than enough to handle a site. When a Magnetometric site escalates it seems to also cause the Talocan spawn container to appear.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:58:00 - [16] Thanks for the info, very helpful. I was going build some battleships in there regardless, I.E. Scorpion for PvP etc... I will Check and see if I can cause any additional spawns. Still don't know about c4's, some people say they get the spawns from what I've read, but so far no pics.
Zombika AOE Enterprise	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:50:00 - [17] Been using both a chimera and thanatos in a c4 and none of the sites cause any extra ordinary spawns. Also been trying with both of them there at the same time; no diffrence. Capital escalations ONLY work in C5 and C6 wormholes.
Scout1111	Posted - 2010.12.06 22:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Cipher Jones Thanks for the info, very helpful. I was going build some battleships in there regardless, I.E. Scorpion for PvP etc... I will Check and see if I can cause any additional spawns. Still don't know about c4's, some people say they get the spawns from what I've read, but so far no pics. If you can reliably get the non-capital escalations in a C1, I would be most interested in the process. Please do post back here if you find a way.
trjcquee	Posted - 2010.12.07 02:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Scout1111 Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Completely false.
Scout1111	Posted - 2010.12.07 05:31:00 - [20] Originally by: trjcquee Originally by: Scout1111 Actually there are "escalations" of a sort for every site. If you bring more firepower than is required (i.e. 4 drakes for a C1 site) there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake). Completely false. Not only do I have personal experience of the matter, but a PVE information source that a ridiculous amount of people uses even cites the same thing. I notice you only have 22 days to your name, in an NPC corp at that. Post on your main or stop making outrageous claims, thanks.

Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.12.07 10:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Scout1111 stuffs I've seen site escalations, these are time triggered and either happen or not. They're present only in radars and mags. Depending on the class they spawn an additional wave plus a container. I've seen capital escalations, triggered by capitals warped into a site. These are in c5 and above only. I've run literally thousands of sites from c1 to c6 and I have NEVER seen these escalations you speak of. I've solo'd and dual boxed c3, c4 and c5 sites and never seen this escalation for bringing too little. I've warped in gigantic blobs of ships to attack players already in fleets running all manner of sites. According to eve-survival and you, these should have triggered these mysterious escalations of yours. Never yet have I seen them. I've been a part of 30 man cruiser blob + ECM fleets clearing c5 and above, still NEVER seen these escalations you speak of. So please, impart some of this personal experience you speak of, I'm all ears. Otherwise, tbh without proof of some sort, I'm calling bull**** on your claims. Eve-survival is based on player reports, many of which are incorrect (just look at sites for c5 and above) and is by no means a definitive reference . Fake edit: in b4 you point out I'm an alt to say that's entirely irrelevant. More info, or gtfo.
trjcquee	Posted - 2010.12.07 10:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Scout1111 Not only do I have personal experience of the matter, but a PVE information source that a ridiculous amount of people uses even cites the same thing. I notice you only have 22 days to your name, in an NPC corp at that. Post on your main or stop making outrageous claims, thanks. Small minds always attack the messenger. You probably don't like wikileaks either amirite? You have no idea what you're talking about and whether I post on my main, your main, or anyone else's main won't change that. You are wrong, period, end of story. See the post above this one for QED (that's Latin for the braindead dumbed-down English catchprase "this").
mmmPork	Posted - 2010.12.07 10:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Daneel Trevize No. It's not like you can't tank them anyway. The first sentence made perfect sense. The second sentence was jibberish. Oh look. A moron.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.07 10:47:00 - [24] Posting to confirm there are bonus single BS spawn in C3 anoms, as in eve survival. I haven't noticed or tried to find a pattern/trigger for this, just figured it was random.
Nitric Oxide	Posted - 2010.12.07 11:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Daneel Trevize it was random. this Quote: there's a good chance of the triggers changing and extra frigates/cruisers spawning. It also occurs randomly when you bring LESS than what the game deems the required amount (i.e. you get a talocan frigate spawn in a C1/C2 when only bringing yourself in a drake facepalm


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