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Zachary Crow	Posted - 2010.12.05 19:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Zachary Crow on 05/12/2010 19:56:43 I guess this has been discussed before, but I think it's not a bad idea to talk about it now that CCP keeps taking steps forward to popularize faction ships. Years ago they were just eye candy, overpriced ships that were lightyears away from being cost-effective. Today, not only most of them are viable, they are becoming much more integrated to the game with the market changes. So I think it's about time to fix the inconsistencies between the different pirate factions, and give every one of their ships an unique hull. As it stands now, the blood raiders look half-finished (I'm looking at you, bhaalgorn), the Guristas/serpentis are quite lame, while the Angel / Sansha have a lot of work on their unique designs. If you agree with this, and to make this thread worthwhile of staying in General Discussion, let's discuss what looks you think these reworked ships should have. Ships with bunny ears for the guristas? Count me in! On a related note, I found this Bhaalgorn art laying around... Do want
Anyura	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:06:00 - [2] Do want as well.
kano donn Revolution.	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:07:00 - [3] +1 want
Foofad Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:08:00 - [4] Don't you dare change my desert camo Scorpion hull Rattlesnake. I fricking love that thing.
Stan Smith	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Stan Smith on 05/12/2010 20:13:22 No why should every pirate faction spend billions of credits and years designing spaceships when blueprints for already combat effective ships are available on the open market?
Zachary Crow	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Stan Smith Edited by: Stan Smith on 05/12/2010 20:13:22 No why should every pirate faction spend billions of credits and years designing spaceships when blueprints for already combat effective ships are available on the open market? Well, some pirate factions did that, why not all of them? The reused hulls aren't really that justified. The ship descriptions often include a "based on the XXX hull..." you could remove that part, leave the rest untouched, and it would make sense.
tek0n	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:27:00 - [7] look at the rattle description! we don't know if it's the gurista designed the hull or the caldari navy!
Gallians	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:27:00 - [8] Posting to confirm Do want.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Foofad Don't you dare change my desert camo Scorpion hull Rattlesnake. I fricking love that thing. Pfft, I rather have some unique style to mine. I never cared for cameo in space anyways. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:35:00 - [10] Did the OP give anybody else flashbacks to the Pewter City Gym? \|24 Hour Plex\|Mining Makeover\|
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Gallians Posting to confirm Do want. I concur with this post.
Zachary Crow	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Black Dranzer Did the OP give anybody else flashbacks to the Pewter City Gym? Why? :O
Thea Arsoniztik Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Ryhss Originally by: Gallians Posting to confirm Do want. I concur with this post. This
Corndog Sandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:56:00 - [14] I can understand that they would base their pirate designs off of existing ships, but at least tack on some extra shiny bits :P Like give the bagelhorn some giant ass energy zapper things or give the serpentis ships some dangerous look things and make em look cooler!!
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:00:00 - [15] It's not always in another factions best interest to design and create their own hulls. You don't see Israel flying around in Israeli designed fighter jets, they like many other small countries (factions) buy from the big manufacturers (United States) and modify it for their purpose. Selling C4 Wormhole w/C3 Static
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Sader Rykane It's not always in another factions best interest to design and create their own hulls. You don't see Israel flying around in Israeli designed fighter jets, they like many other small countries (factions) buy from the big manufacturers (United States) and modify it for their purpose. Real world analogy You don't often hear or see laser beams in space do you? Confirming do want.
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [17] Confirming a verified want on that Bhaalgorn concept.
Aeo IV Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [18] file that ship under Want, Do.
Yavanna Akallabeth	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [19] On "Independence War" rebel ships had graffiti on them, that would be nice. (I miss that game)
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Gallians Posting to confirm Do want. +1
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:37:00 - [21] I would like some new art, but I don't like that art, looks like a barbed phallus to me
Doddy Burning Vendetta	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Zachary Crow Originally by: Stan Smith Edited by: Stan Smith on 05/12/2010 20:13:22 No why should every pirate faction spend billions of credits and years designing spaceships when blueprints for already combat effective ships are available on the open market? Well, some pirate factions did that, why not all of them? The reused hulls aren't really that justified. The ship descriptions often include a "based on the XXX hull..." you could remove that part, leave the rest untouched, and it would make sense. Different faction shave different backstories, hence different ship catalogues. Sansha were a complete empire of their own with their own technology etc before their fall. They have their own ship designs. The angels get most of their ship design from salvaging/retrofitting old Jove designs found in Curse. CCP couldn't be bothered making them bcs/dessies when they were introduced do they got the minmatar ones. The guristas stole caldari ship designs and are led by ex caldari military, they design some of their their own ships but the caldari navy copies them (tinfoil). Serpentis are a rogue gallente corporation, with deep ties still in the federation. The real question is why they don't have angel ships as their military are the gaurdian angels hired from the cartel. The blood raiders are mad ass amarr cultists, i guess factioning up the bhalgorn to match cruor would be nice. You will notice the big powerful pirate factions (sansha, angel) who have large territories and major infrastructure have their own ship designs while the smaller rogue pirate factions (bloods, serpentis) who have small territories and limited infrastructure are more limited.
Tornado Bait Minmatar Muppet Ninja's	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:42:00 - [23] I am posting here representing all Minmitar/Caldari cross trained players who have no pirate faction to call their own.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Tornado Bait I am posting here representing all Minmitar/Caldari cross trained players who have no pirate faction to call their own. Also, where are the Ammatar ships? (àand why do Gallente/Minny pilots get two pirate factions?) ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:49:00 - [25] another giant flying space *****
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Foofad Don't you dare change my desert camo Scorpion hull Rattlesnake. I fricking love that thing. This. Most of them are blatantly stolen designs, if you'd bother to read the descriptions. Pirates don't build their own ships anyway.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:54:00 - [27] I'd like to see more ships for various factions in general, like Sisters of EVE ships, more ORE ships, maybe T1 ships from companies like Roden or CreoDron, etc. I think more diversification from the four main empires is good. Basically, I want a lot more ship variety. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Zachary Crow Well, some pirate factions did that, why not all of them? The reused hulls aren't really that justified. The ship descriptions often include a "based on the XXX hull..." you could remove that part, leave the rest untouched, and it would make sense. The factions that do according to game lore are rich as hell wile Serpentis are nothing more than subcontracted employees of the Angels and Guristas are just a rebel faction.
Pyro Ninja Gallente Loving Pirates Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Tornado Bait I am posting here representing all Minmitar/Caldari cross trained players who have no pirate faction to call their own. Also, where are the Ammatar ships? (àand why do Gallente/Minny pilots get two pirate factions?) I dont know but it makes me happy that it worked out that way
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Amberlamps Originally by: Sader Rykane It's not always in another factions best interest to design and create their own hulls. You don't see Israel flying around in Israeli designed fighter jets, they like many other small countries (factions) buy from the big manufacturers (United States) and modify it for their purpose. Real world analogy You don't often hear or see laser beams in space do you? Confirming do want. How is this analogy not appropriate? Selling C4 Wormhole w/C3 Static
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Pyro Ninja Originally by: Tippia Also, where are the Ammatar ships? (àand why do Gallente/Minny pilots get two pirate factions?) I dont know but it makes me happy that it worked out that way Having recently nerf-proofed myself, I'd be happy to see any combination. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Pyro Ninja Gallente Loving Pirates Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Pyro Ninja Originally by: Tippia Also, where are the Ammatar ships? (àand why do Gallente/Minny pilots get two pirate factions?) I dont know but it makes me happy that it worked out that way Having recently nerf-proofed myself, I'd be happy to see any combination. what would an amar and gal ship look like ?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Pyro Ninja what would an amar and gal ship look like ? Hmmmà Gold + dildo + Baby-blue + dildoà so blue-gold with twice the dildo, obviously! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ozanna leCureHardy	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:54:00 - [34] As mentioned above, part of the way the Guristas operate is to troll the Caldari by coming at them with repurposed versions of Caldari ships (or possibly, in the case of the Scorp, designing a ship which is then copied by the Caldari). So maybe Gurista ships should stay the same. New models for some of the other pirate factions might be nice though.
Rhaegar Thrax Gallente Militaris Industries Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:55:00 - [35] A giant brick with 12 low armor slots, two meds, and 5 highs Oh oh, and a massive capacitor, drone bay, enormous armor buffer
Cunane Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Shawshanke The factions that do according to game lore are rich as hell wile Serpentis are nothing more than subcontracted employees of the Angels and Guristas are just a rebel faction. Other way round, the Serpentis hired the Angels to protect their assets, a deal that both sides found very profitable to the point of the Angels dedicating a entire wing to the Serpentis, the Guardian Angels (explains the daredevil hull, but I'd kill for it to be an Incursus model.)
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Amberlamps on 06/12/2010 02:27:35 Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Amberlamps Originally by: Sader Rykane It's not always in another factions best interest to design and create their own hulls. You don't see Israel flying around in Israeli designed fighter jets, they like many other small countries (factions) buy from the big manufacturers (United States) and modify it for their purpose. Real world analogy You don't often hear or see laser beams in space do you? Confirming do want. How is this analogy not appropriate? He is comparing arm deals through nations with factions using hulls of other ships, rather than developing their own. Which is comparing Life to Eve... I am comparing Eve to life in that laser beams don't show up in space and sound doesn't work too well in a vacuum. So to reiterate Eve doesn't follow real life on the most fundamental level of physics, why should it on faction ships?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Pyro Ninja what would an amar and gal ship look like ? who cares, just as long as it uses lasers + drones! 5 bonused sentries + a rack of tachyons = **** in my pants!
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:17:00 - [39] DO WANT!
Mattias Kerensky Minmatar The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.07 01:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyra Felann I'd like to see more ships for various factions in general, like Sisters of EVE ships, more ORE ships, maybe T1 ships from companies like Roden or CreoDron, etc. I think more diversification from the four main empires is good. Basically, I want a lot more ship variety. This. Also, the OP's link to Bhaalgorn design required me to change my pants.
w1ndstrike Honored By Death Galactic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.07 01:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Pyro Ninja Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Pyro Ninja Originally by: Tippia Also, where are the Ammatar ships? (àand why do Gallente/Minny pilots get two pirate factions?) I dont know but it makes me happy that it worked out that way Having recently nerf-proofed myself, I'd be happy to see any combination. what would an amar and gal ship look like ? they do exist in missions, and some complexes under the "EoM" moniker. would be fun to see them as player ships, even if the hybrid brick-armor tank isn't exactly viable.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.07 04:30:00 - [42] Its always made me wonder if at some stage in the development if CCP intended to give faction ships unique hulls and then changed their minds, either because they ran out of time or money or some other reason. Most of the Angel ships are unique for example and they also have several models of frigate and cruiser that only NPCs fly and Blood raiders have the unique frigate and cruiser but the BS is a reskinned model, then you come to the Serpentis and they have the unique frigate but the cruiser and BS again are reskinned and finally the Guristas have no unique hulls. So in summery -Angels, all ships unique* + extra rat hulls -Bloodraiders, unique frig and cruiser but reskinned BS -Serpentis, unique frig but cruiser and BS reskinned -Guristas, all ships are reskinned There's definitely a pattern whether its actually because they did have to change the way they intended to make the faction ships before release or if there is some other reason but it just seems funny the way the unique hulls taper down like that. *Destroyer and BCs are reskinned I know but those ship classes where introduced some time after the games release
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2010.12.07 05:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Zachary Crow Well, some pirate factions did that, why not all of them? The reused hulls aren't really that justified. The ship descriptions often include a "based on the XXX hull..." you could remove that part, leave the rest untouched, and it would make sense. The factions that do according to game lore are rich as hell wile Serpentis are nothing more than subcontracted employees of the Angels and Guristas are just a rebel faction. Actually, the Serpentis Corporation hires the Guardian Angels as mercs. Or so they say. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. Word of Chaos
Stan Smith	Posted - 2010.12.07 06:00:00 - [44] Quote: sound doesn't work too well in a vacuum. explained in a chronicle "jovian wet greave". sound is synthesized in the pod.
Sergei Le'Poof	Posted - 2010.12.07 06:46:00 - [45] Now THAT is a battleship Sergei Le'Poof would like to ride!
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.07 06:54:00 - [46] Factions also need more hulls - why does the Sansha frigate/destroyer and cruiser/battlecruiser only have one hull? Faction battlecruisers would be nice too ...
Mr Floydy	Posted - 2010.12.07 07:48:00 - [47] +1 to remodelling the Bhaalgorn like the image in op.

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