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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.02.13 15:41:00 -
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The TL;DR is that most likely until there is a real alternative to eve if you want an open-ended player driven MMO (doesnt necesarily have to be space based for me) CCP will condone botting since they are also subscriptions. When legit players have an alternative they might realise they should do something about it.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:00:00 -
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That would help as much against bots as database issues do: Sure it does something, but at least as much against normal players.
And no corphopping is not an exploit since a wardec is against a corp, not against a player. If you cause with that wardec that everyones leaves the corp you succeeded in the wardec.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.02.28 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
t2 isn't affected by bots other than what botters spend money on. t2 prices might actually go down.
Suggestion: Only people who understand how the eve economy works are allowed to partake in this discussion.
By the way, PI and ice macros factor heavily into the end price of t2 goods.
Suggestion: A very large part of t2 price is determined by moon minerals (you know technetium, what your alliance is sitting on and selling for enormous profits). In one of their not-more-than-usual idiotic moments CCP decided it was fun to have a fixed influx of high end moon minerals. When botters are killed (irl) then they wont buy t2 anymore, same supply, less demand = lower prices.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.04 07:08:00 -
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In that price class you only got professional software used by companies, they usually just buy it due to high fines when caught and that a few thousand dollar are peanuts compared to wages of those who use it.
However that said, the software that is in that price range and popular is still regulary cracked, if it was so easy to prevent with a dongle i am sure way more companies would use it.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 12:38:00 -
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So you can pretty much bot all you want since you only get a few days ban max the first time anyway? Followed by a 30 days ban of what i assuem is only the account you bot on?
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:05:00 -
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Well supers are fundamentally broken, but still then, some growth is indeed expected, but less than a year ago it was still a big hit when Atlas lost a titan in H-W, now powerblocks are losing 10+ titans in a single fight (and still supers are build way faster than destroyed), and sure i guess it has a little impact on morale, but not more than that. Do the math how it is next year if CCP doesnt do anything about it.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.29 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan So what was the big announcement at fanfest?
I didn't see any in the news.
Have we been lied to again?
The tl;dr is that the first two times you are caught you only get short temp bans, and that most likely ISK earned by botting will not be taken away
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.29 10:00:00 -
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Also Stain apparently is filled with bots. And maybe not directly involved in replacing supercaps, but the number of icemining bots and courier mission bots is also ridiculous. As long as it is obvious where bots are it should also be trivial to ban them.
In the end the location doesnt matter, they all need to be permabanned + all ISK gained removed (yes that includes ISK gone to corp wallets via taxes, it shouldnt have been there in the first place).
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.29 10:55:00 -
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RMT ISK is always removed, botting is something else. Anyway maybe I am kinda negative, but at least they havent decided yet what they going to do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gZm-85JOs&t=49m00s
So while Sreegs want it removed, for now that wont happen since they dont have a policy regarding it yet.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Consortium Agent
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Jack Gilligan So what was the big announcement at fanfest?
I didn't see any in the news.
Have we been lied to again?
The tl;dr is that the first two times you are caught you only get short temp bans, and that most likely ISK earned by botting will not be taken away
If that's all you got out of the video Furb then I'm changing my contact list to *not* include you anymore :P lol
:(
But tbh while I might be kinda bitter, it is most likely what will happen untill they do have a policy, as long as they have no policy I dont see them tracing ISK and putting corporation wallets of botters into negative. I do assume (/hope) that the char that was used for botting will be cleared of ISK, but that is only really relevant if you bot on your main, and people that stupid will most likely die because they forgot they have to breath.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras Also CCP should 'flag' chars which were caught botting/rmt (if not banned at all). and make Chars which flag untransferrable.
I think they should be more strict, caught (and not banned) => delete all assets and isk.
Problem is on which accounts? Of course on the one caught botting, but botters will have moved majority of their ISK elsewhere. Imo there should just be a limit at how long they look back, and then also remove ISK from for example corp wallet. And if the minerals gained by the bots were used to build supercaps which were given away for free (as rent for example, or just as way to transfer isk to their main) they should be deleted. If it was sold for a low ammount of ISK (lets say 10B for supercarrier), the transaction should be reversed, if it was sold for normal ammount of ISK then the ISK can just be removed again from the bot and the new owner can keep his supercap.
Quote: I hardly think it's the case they don't know that people are able to sell characters, seems more to me that it's you who don't understand bans are account based not character. If you get catch two times using bots on you original character, and get catch again on a new character on the same account you are still getting banned.
And why would you possibly keep using the same account if you are going to buy a new char? Obviously you also make a new account then.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.03.30 10:25:00 -
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How is being allowed to get caught botting several times before you get a permaban a deterrent? I call that encouraging botting, especially since there is for now not a policy to actually remove all isk gained by the botting.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 06/04/2011 13:54:04 Welcome to a world where English is not everyones first language.
Eve has sound?
Some people are deaf, and a larger group just listens to other stuff while playing eve.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition
Quote: The majority of peoples IP's are dynamic so banning the IP would have no effect other than potentially banning a different innocent player.
Tbh I doubt it, granted it might be different in other countries, but here everyone got semi-static IP addresses (as in: ISP does not guarantee your IP does not change, but they do hand out the same one everytime to your MAC address if you reboot your modem/router, and that pretty much only happens for most people during either internet or power outages).
Now I do not think IP banning has any effect, but I do hope that every account from that IP address, both new ones and old ones, get very high on the list of accounts to keep an eye on, and are permabanned when they look funny.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
That would crash PLEX market, and CCP somehow like its PLEX despite them being the biggest botting enabler, because they are not content with our subscription money but want their share of the RMT pie too. ...
But CCP is far too corrupt to ever do this, lets get real one moment. They tasted the RMT money and they want more, even if this will kill their game medium term...
*facepalm* Seriously? PLEX is a VERY effective way of combating the RMT'rs from one angle (it's a multifront battle).
And it is a very effective way of promoting botting.
Why do people continue to confuse RMT and botting. Personally I dont really care about RMT anyway, what is the big deal about it? The only issue I got with RMT is that they got their ISK vs less than legit means. Yes and of course it is not nice you get an advantage by spending lots of RL money, but well, welcome to the character bazaar and plexes.
Imo botting is a way bigger issue then RMT'ing. Not only because RMT'ers use botting to get their ISK, but the simple issue is that certain players/groups have pretty much unlimitted funds due to botting, and for me it doesnt matter if that is directly botting or someone else botted and they payed them RL money to get the ISK, the end result is the same, the beginning is the same, only there is another step in between.
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.04.25 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
P.S. may be the best way is baning of hardware serial numbers... (like ban of that HDD or MB)
Let me introduce you to this fun little invention, called the virtual machine...
Obviously it is impossible to make sure someone is permabanned, but still I think using hardware serial number is useful, and then mainly to completely ban all of their accounts.
Because what I like to hear from sreegs, how are botters punished, only the botting accounts with lol-14 day bans while keeping their account until finally permabanned accounts, or do you actually do something against their mains, which is the only thing that would have effect against the non-RMT botting (which is imo the largest problem). Sure some will make sure there is absolutely no direct link between their botting account and a clean account, but the vast majority will not go further than proxies to hide their IP, if they even do that, and then hardware identifiers can help to identify their other accounts and also ban them.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.01 06:58:00 -
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Yeah that thread is clearly a topic by a bot who is trying to spin it. Come on it is classical: think of the children, and someone is very ill and eve was the only thing in his life, oh and they uninstalled eve anyway yet. It isnt even close to believable that it wasnt a botter.
So apparently they are back to three day bans, CCP is trying hard to find a good middle line between keeping the general playerbase happy that they are doing something against botting, without actually stopping people from botting.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.07 20:09:00 -
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So lets then go for the CCP approach, remove all your firewalls, antivirus products, and start using IE6 on an unupdated windows 95, since a virusscanner also isnt perfect
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