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Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:37:00 - [1] I fly a Loki around a fair bit, and i never use this. I think it is next to useless (but yes it does have its Niche, albeit very small indeed) as the Chassis Optimisation subsystem does an excellent job instead. %5 bonus to overall speed per level, or 10% bonus to AB speed? Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use?
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 08/12/2010 05:48:37 Originally by: Headerman Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use? Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin is great for making a gas harvesting ship, but that is about it for a missile using Caldari.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 08/12/2010 05:48:52 Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 08/12/2010 05:46:34 Originally by: Headerman Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use? Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin is great for making a gas harvesting ship, but that is about it for me. Quote: An odd bit of technology garnered from the Sleepers is missile rifling, a method adapted from more primitive projectile technology. The launcher bays in this missile pattern contain long, microscopic grooves that spiral through the launcher and can fit any known missile shape. Once the missile is launched, these grooves give additional velocity and accuracy to the missile. Additionally, the shallow cuts contain wiring that enhances the missile's guidance system, creating another conduit for communication between ship, missile, and target. Subsystem Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to ECM target jammer strength per level 5% bonus to Heavy, Heavy Assault and Assault Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level Considering this doesn't add turret slots which gas harvesters need, what are you talking about? EDIT Ah you edited. Selling C4 Wormhole w/C3 Static
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.12.08 05:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Headerman I think it is next to useless (but yes it does have its Niche, albeit very small indeed) as the Chassis Optimisation subsystem does an excellent job instead. Loki is faster and more agile on AB with Fuel Catalyst. So, its the best PvE sub, but unfortunately nobody uses Loki for PvE...
Veronica Kerrigan	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:06:00 - [5] I've been flying a Loki about on the test server, and I use the fuel catalyst for 1v1 fights against battleships. Very niche, but it does the job quite well, as mixed with the immobility drivers it's near impossible to get webbed, and if you do get webbed you just fly closer to avoid fire.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Headerman I fly a Loki around a fair bit, and i never use this. I think it is next to useless (but yes it does have its Niche, albeit very small indeed) as the Chassis Optimisation subsystem does an excellent job instead. %5 bonus to overall speed per level, or 10% bonus to AB speed? Lokis in AHAC gangs use it. Like 1600mm plate and triple trimarks, but still going over 600m/s (over 800m/s on O/H). Yes please. Quote: Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use? Hardpoint Efficiency Config, the guns/missiles sub on my Loki. The two offensive subs other than Accelerated Ejection Bay or Covert Reconfig on my Tengu.
SwitchBl4d3 Heretic Army	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:01:00 - [7] Loki I disagree fuel caty & immobility drivers. Overload ab, web target makes vagas easy prey. Get +2'd no problem. You can overload longer than it takes to kill you prey unless it's an uber tank. Tengu and legion oversized abs and decent active tanks using missiles? Still decent Federation navy stasis's & rep fleet wd for justice. Originally by: Stavros BUNGLE IN JUNGLE? J tHX OMG YEAH CHICKEN WINGS K? LOLLER SKATESWIHT LUBE K? MIUOINKEYT!!!
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Vorpal's Edge	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Target Painter Hardpoint Efficiency Config, the guns/missiles sub on my Loki. even considering that it's the only sub that can put seven guns in a T3, it still sucks because of weapon splittage --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
andeira	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:37:00 - [9] try tengu with fuel catalyst and a 100MN afterburner gets you more speed then mwd and imune shut off by warp scrams ------------- Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
Tarasina	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Headerman I fly a Loki around a fair bit, and i never use this. I think it is next to useless (but yes it does have its Niche, albeit very small indeed) as the Chassis Optimisation subsystem does an excellent job instead. %5 bonus to overall speed per level, or 10% bonus to AB speed? Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use? I use it both on my Loki and Tengu (well, the equivalent). Can't see much point in other subsystem for PVE. Speedtanking is king for smallish ships.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:55:00 - [11] I wouldn't be surprised if fuel catalyst is one of the most used subsystemsà àwell, perhaps not on the Loki, but still. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Vorpal's Edge	Posted - 2010.12.08 14:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Tippia I wouldn't be surprised if fuel catalyst is one of the most used subsystemsà àwell, perhaps not on the Loki, but still. I actually use the intercalated nanofibers on the tengu, but that's for a whole different reason actually. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Jason1138	Posted - 2010.12.08 14:10:00 - [13] fuel catalyst is my most used subsystem, on both my tengu and loki
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 14:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Target Painter Hardpoint Efficiency Config, the guns/missiles sub on my Loki. even considering that it's the only sub that can put seven guns in a T3, it still sucks because of weapon splittage [Loki, HAHAHA] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II True Sansha Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers Medium Ionic Field Projector I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Valkyrie II x4 Don't forget the skirmish mindlink. Overheat point and have fun :P --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia I wouldn't be surprised if fuel catalyst is one of the most used subsystemsà àwell, perhaps not on the Loki, but still. I use it on my loki all the time. But yes i do use mine for pve. i know i know.. heretic, hunt down and kill her for wanting to have fun. ^^
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Target Painter Hardpoint Efficiency Config, the guns/missiles sub on my Loki. even considering that it's the only sub that can put seven guns in a T3, it still sucks because of weapon splittage I think it's awesome. Though the fit I'm tinkering with is very different from the one above. (Wth is that? Still trying to make sense of the armor and empty hislots before judging it...) ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:32:00 - [17] Lack of mid slots forces me to go armor, lack of fitting forces an empty slot but it's not like it needs anything in there anyway. Drop the fit into EFT, grab a skirmish mind link and give it it's own bonuses, see what happens. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.12.08 17:52:00 - [18] Edited by: Target Painter on 08/12/2010 17:55:30 Originally by: Rian O'Shea snip fit 420 DPS with launchers on O/H and drones on target. 27K EHP. I can think of better ways to spend my ISK. Like a Huginn. Why the cap amount sub instead of a power core multiplier, especially since you could fit a 1600mm plate? Why a sebo rig instead of a trimark? I'm not sure this thing could successfully brawl down a Drake.
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2010.12.08 19:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin. It's pretty funny that you mention that :). Considering that a Tengu is possibly the only ship i'd consider putting Rails on atm.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 19:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Rian O''Shea on 08/12/2010 19:36:21 Originally by: Target Painter Edited by: Target Painter on 08/12/2010 18:05:56 Edited by: Target Painter on 08/12/2010 17:55:30 Originally by: Rian O'Shea snip fit 420 DPS with launchers on O/H and drones on target. 27K EHP. I can think of better ways to spend my ISK. Like a Huginn. Why the cap amount sub instead of a power core multiplier, especially since you could fit a 1600mm plate? Why a sebo rig instead of a trimark? With the double webs, why not go for HAMs since they aren't going to be able effectively speed tank your missiles? Because not everything is about tanking EHP numbers and Face fcking people. If you checked it you'd realise this is a kiting setup, with an overheated point you can grab someone at 45km and hold him there regardless of what he flies and hit him decently hard with selectable damage types (apart from the valks, obviously). As such massive EHP isn't required, what IS required (if you meet more than one) is the ability to KEEP KITING (ie, cap sub over plate). Now lets add some actual strategy here instead of EFT warrioring with numbers: - you meet a dramiel (or other fast mover), at whatever range you catch him he won't do any sort of real speed anymore, if you catch him 10-45km you will always be faster and the fact he's burning his MWD makes his sig HUGE in relation to his speed so your missiles will tear him apart. If he does come within 10km your neut will mess him up and he'll still die. This is also why I'd rather opt for a "sebo" rig to lock faster, because the faster I can lock a tackler the sooner I can stop him from getting onto me. apart from that, your trimark makes the ship slower. If he's flying an intie with sig bonus the rigors will help taking him out. - you meet a droneboat, his guns/neut aren't going to be an issues for you due to range but you do want the drones taken out fairly soon as they can hurt. Cool, you web a drone shoot it and with your rigor rigged missiles, job done and he's now toothless waiting to be killed. "Sebo" rig helps here with targeting the drones real fast. - you meet anything that can't dps outside 40km, your tanking stats don't matter, he's going to die. - you meet a small gang, this is where the real fun starts. Because of your cap sub system you can keep clowning around, keeping multiple targets at range with your webs, hoping for them to break up a bit while you pepper them with missiles (if you fit a faction MWD you can run it for a LOOONG time hoping for an opportunity to present itself). - You meet stuff that can hit reliably outside 40km, they will either be slow (BS, drakes etc) or they won't have points (sniper hacs) so you have enough time to GTFO. Would I rather have an LSE version? Yes please, better omni resists and shield regen helps, it'll be faster as well but truth is you can't make that fit while having the double web and the double web is the necessity. Partly for stopping the fast movers, partly for webbing the target and at the same time web/shoot his drones. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.12.08 20:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Target Painter on 08/12/2010 20:30:37 Originally by: Rian O'Shea Now lets add some actual strategy here instead of EFT warrioring with numbers: - you meet a Drake, because it's one of the most common ships you see anywhere in EVE. ...
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 20:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Rian O''Shea on 08/12/2010 20:41:00 If it has HAM's it's going to die, if it doesn't then you bugger off. It's not like there's no other ships that can't take on a drake (curse for instance) but that doesn't stop said ship to be good. In fact this ship is fairly similar to a Curse when it comes to playing style, it's just that this one favours range over neuting, with more dps and better range control. meaning a Curse can take on some ships the loki can't and vice versa. --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.08 20:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Rian O'Shea A shield version CAN be made but at the expense of dps, shield version does about 70dps less which is quit a bit percentage wise. Still, it's very much an option. It's short one web, but I'm looking at the the same DPS, really. This is the fit I've been tinkering with. 13k more EHP, double neuts, and quite a bit faster and more agile than an armor version. [Loki, SacriHugiBond] Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Improved Cloaking Device II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Large Shield Extender II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x2 Valkyrie II x3 Vespa EC-600 x3 Hornet EC-300 x2 The cloak is there on tips from Vaga pilots I respect claiming its usefulness. I have mixed feelings about how much it poops on your scan res, but the res is very close to a Vag sporting a cloak. Take it or leave it. I believe a small neut would fit in its place if you hate it (increases your chances of breaking tackle on a small nos frig combined with the medium neuts, but doesn't guarantee it). It's faster than a MWD Dramiel under the web (at least, unless he has Snakes), but you do have a point about the second web being useful against drones. The ship is pretty much a giant bag of solo survival tricks...but I know I'm not a good enough PVP pilot to fly it properly yet. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 21:08:00 - [24] Yeah, that fit has been posted here before and I like it. Different approach, "yours" is the uber vaga/huginn combo. Mine is the "I'm at 40km range, wtf is that loki gonna doooaaaaahhh IT HURTS, GET IT OFF!" --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.08 21:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Rian O'Shea Yeah, that fit has been posted here before and I like it. Yeah, I try to proselytize. Quote: Different approach, "yours" is the uber vaga/huginn combo. Mine is the "I'm at 40km range, wtf is that loki gonna doooaaaaahhh IT HURTS, GET IT OFF!" I'll have to take a closer look at how yours stacks up. I really hate missing module slots, so maybe some tweaking could fill it with something useful. One question, and this may just be my ignorance (as I haven't flown a booster ship before): I thought command modules didn't give you a bonus unless you're in a gang? ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Rian O'Shea	Posted - 2010.12.08 21:25:00 - [26] they don't, then again; how many pilots are truly "solo". I'm going to assume you'll have at least a covert scout with ya or something like that, that's what I do anyways :P --- The whole problem with the universe is that fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubt.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.12.08 21:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 08/12/2010 05:48:37 Originally by: Headerman Has anyone else found some subsystems they don't ever use? Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin is great for making a gas harvesting ship, but that is about it for a missile using Caldari. BLASTER TENGU HOTDROP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Tengu, BLASTER TENGU] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers ~
Lady Thanatos Nomadic Shadows	Posted - 2010.12.09 00:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Rian O'Shea The cloak is there on tips from Vaga pilots I respect claiming its usefulness. I have mixed feelings about how much it poops on your scan res, but the res is very close to a Vag sporting a cloak. You were wronged... Don't ever let them touch you again!
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.09 05:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Lady Thanatos Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Rian O'Shea The cloak is there on tips from Vaga pilots I respect claiming its usefulness. I have mixed feelings about how much it poops on your scan res, but the res is very close to a Vag sporting a cloak. You were wronged... Don't ever let them touch you again! And yet: que? The quotes are FUBAR. ùùùùù Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.12.09 05:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Rian O'Shea how many pilots are truly "solo". No honor Falcon and booster crew checking in.

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