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Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.11 11:20:00 -
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Hey, I've been slightly interested in this invention stuff a time now and I wonder if you have any personal experience, tips & tricks or guides to share. I have read some basic stuff but still doesn't seem to get the hang of it really that's why I came here asking.
Please be nice and polite  PS. A link will give you extra credit! <3 |

zoni Ishikela
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.11 11:56:00 -
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As a budding inventor myself - last year really, here's what I found, keeping in mind that I'm not doing anything fancy - just t1 stuff like modules and ammo into t2 equivalents - didn't graduate to the bigger stuff yet.
- having level 5 in the two science skills needed for the invention (for example, nanite engineering) helps quite a bit to improve the stats of the t2 inventions you get. It won't improve the chances of invention, but it will certainly get you better T2 BPCs if the dice rolls in your favor. I am amazed at the difference in isk between level 4 science and level 5, even if on paper it's only a few percentage points - that translates to significant waste savings at the end of the day.
- because the level 5 takes forever and then some, pick what you want to invent grouped by relate skills so you train the 2 skills that are re-used in the BPC group you want to invent, and while you do that, train other skills.
- I was amazed at how much prep work it took to setup the lab for invention and getting the needed parts there. I'm now getting into how to improve the datacore flow as that can be quite expensive and thus I need a very efficient supply chain if I don't want to lose my shirt when something fails, knowing it will fail often.
- while base items are not needed for most simple T2 items, I found a use for the named loot you get as drops in missions. The named items boost stats of the final product.
- it's a pain to have to move stuff to/from labs because you need your invention alt to be the POS janitor at all times. Unlike research for PE or ME, invention requires you to have the stuff at the lab proper.
Hope this helps,
Z.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.08.11 12:22:00 -
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Start with modules
Analyze the market to see what sells
Set up copy alts that que copies in NPC stations
Figure out how to best use the program linked in my sig. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.11 14:18:00 -
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zoni Ishikela wrote: - having level 5 in the two science skills needed for the invention (for example, nanite engineering) helps quite a bit to improve the stats of the t2 inventions you get.
- because the level 5 takes forever and then some, pick what you want to invent grouped by related science skills. This will minimize the number of science skills you need trained to be effective
the way your saying that, it almost sounds like it would make sense to train these skills to 5....It does not.
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Steijn
Quay Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.11 15:26:00 -
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zoni Ishikela wrote: having level 5 in the two science skills needed for the invention (for example, nanite engineering) helps quite a bit to improve the stats of the t2 inventions you get. It won't improve the chances of invention, but it will certainly get you better T2 BPCs if the dice rolls in your favor. I am amazed at the difference in isk between level 4 science and level 5, even if on paper it's only a few percentage points - that translates to significant waste savings at the end of the day. Well worth my time investment in the long run..
sorry, but like the previous poster, i disagree. |

Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:00:00 -
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zoni Ishikela wrote: having level 5 in the two science skills needed for the invention (for example, nanite engineering) helps quite a bit to improve the stats of the t2 inventions you get. It won't improve the chances of invention, but it will certainly get you better T2 BPCs if the dice rolls in your favor. I am amazed at the difference in isk between level 4 science and level 5, even if on paper it's only a few percentage points - that translates to significant waste savings at the end of the day. Well worth my time investment in the long run.
OOPS !
This is just flat out wrong.
The 2 required Sciences affect nothing related to Material Efficiency and Wastage at all. They only affect the Chance of Invention Success.
Period and Final.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:48:00 -
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor wrote:zoni Ishikela wrote: having level 5 in the two science skills needed for the invention (for example, nanite engineering) helps quite a bit to improve the stats of the t2 inventions you get. It won't improve the chances of invention, but it will certainly get you better T2 BPCs if the dice rolls in your favor. I am amazed at the difference in isk between level 4 science and level 5, even if on paper it's only a few percentage points - that translates to significant waste savings at the end of the day. Well worth my time investment in the long run.
OOPS ! This is just flat out wrong. The 2 required Sciences affect nothing related to Material Efficiency and Wastage at all. They only affect the Chance of Invention Success. Period and Final. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention
cripes. glad, I didnt even read this far, god damn thats so wrong.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
561
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:58:00 -
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Work out your invention success rates http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/invention/ Work out whether it's worth inventing or not (fill in an appropriate success rate.) http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/
Unless you're using a decryptor, all T2 BPC will end up with -4 ME and -4 PE.
Not as bad as it might sound, as many t2 blueprints have the majority of their materials as extra materials, unaffected by ME waste.
Decryptors are very special case usage. Often adding 10 million+ to the cost of an invention run. Using a meta item to increase your chance of success can be worth it, but remember it will change your costs. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.08.11 19:01:00 -
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zoni Ishikela wrote:
Once you do that, research the BPCs related to the two skills while you train other skills. I had a natural temptation to research a bunch of different items at once, and found that it was far from optimal because I didn't have the science skills high up there so the T2 stats weren't very good.
This also reduces the number of different datacores you need as you get started.
- while base items are not needed for most simple T2 items, I found a use for the named loot you get as drops in missions. The named items boost stats of the final product.
OMG. To continue......
You CANNOT Research BPC's. Period and Final. Try it.
The number of required Datacores will NEVER vary, by any means AT ALL.
Named Items do NOT boost the 'stats' (I assume you mean ME) of the final product. They Increase the chance of Invention.
Ya' know...............it's probably a good idea that you stay off the Forum until you have more experience behind you.
OR....you are deliberately trying to confuse and mislead noobs. I will be eyeing your posts and If I see that again THIS EGGREGIOUSLY it WILL BE REPORTED.
My Main has 2 1/2 yrs experience with this, and you have made the worst post ever just about on this Forum.
edit: AND it's too late to edit your post. The originals are in my quotage. |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
119
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:45:00 -
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My 2 cents. Pick 2 science skills that marry up - I started with Mechanical and Electronic Engineering and trained to 4. Then trained Gallente Encryption to 4. While those skills were training I copied many many Drone Blueprints - its best to have your own BPOs and copy them. Always check contracts for cheap max run copies as you often see them. I know its contradiction but there are bargains to be had. Remember ME and PE on your BPO matter not for invention - but while your copies are being scribed you use the other BPO of same item to make the T1 variant if its worth the saving and use of slot to do so. Check 2 of the many Indy tools like Fuzzwork and eveEye to check. Yep sorry I didn't mention to get at least 2 of each BPO because as you can see your BPO is needed for copying and usually manufacture. My advice is to buy your first ones already researched - I buy all mine already cooked as my income allows for it. Don't use decryptors for anything but Ships. Get your Datacore Agents up to level 4 - grind man grind! Though they have been nerfed recently. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:31:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:My 2 cents. Pick 2 science skills that marry up - I started with Mechanical and Electronic Engineering and trained to 4. Then trained Gallente Encryption to 4. While those skills were training I copied many many Drone Blueprints - its best to have your own BPOs and copy them. Always check contracts for cheap max run copies as you often see them. I know its contradiction but there are bargains to be had. Remember ME and PE on your BPO matter not for invention - but while your copies are being scribed you use the other BPO of same item to make the T1 variant if its worth the saving and use of slot to do so. Check 2 of the many Indy tools like Fuzzwork and eveEye to check. Yep sorry I didn't mention to get at least 2 of each BPO because as you can see your BPO is needed for copying and usually manufacture. My advice is to buy your first ones already researched - I buy all mine already cooked as my income allows for it. Don't use decryptors for anything but Ships. Get your Datacore Agents up to level 4 - grind man grind! Though they have been nerfed recently.
Great advice delivered stupidly and late. Txs a lot. We kiss you violently. |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
119
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:40:00 -
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor wrote:Galadriel Vasquez wrote:My 2 cents. Pick 2 science skills that marry up - I started with Mechanical and Electronic Engineering and trained to 4. Then trained Gallente Encryption to 4. While those skills were training I copied many many Drone Blueprints - its best to have your own BPOs and copy them. Always check contracts for cheap max run copies as you often see them. I know its contradiction but there are bargains to be had. Remember ME and PE on your BPO matter not for invention - but while your copies are being scribed you use the other BPO of same item to make the T1 variant if its worth the saving and use of slot to do so. Check 2 of the many Indy tools like Fuzzwork and eveEye to check. Yep sorry I didn't mention to get at least 2 of each BPO because as you can see your BPO is needed for copying and usually manufacture. My advice is to buy your first ones already researched - I buy all mine already cooked as my income allows for it. Don't use decryptors for anything but Ships. Get your Datacore Agents up to level 4 - grind man grind! Though they have been nerfed recently. Great advice delivered stupidly and late. Txs a lot. We kiss you violently. Your POASTING gives one a headache. I wish there were an alcohol posting filter or something.
Heh - I dont drink Alcohol. I did that Post on a Blackberry so its not the best layout because I was sitting in a Car doing 70mph down a motorway. I could edit it and sort it out but I aint going to because I like the fact that - i) You seem Butthurt and ii) Your the self appointed Police of S and I and I dont like the Cops.... I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
119
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:22:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:. I did that Post on a Blackberry so its not the best layout because I was sitting in a Car doing 70mph down a motorway. ..
Best chuck norris excuse ever |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
119
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:32:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Galadriel Vasquez wrote:. I did that Post on a Blackberry so its not the best layout because I was sitting in a Car doing 70mph down a motorway. .. Best chuck norris excuse ever 
Please note i said sitting - not driving. 
I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

zoni Ishikela
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:50:00 -
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Quote:OOPS ! This is just flat out wrong. The 2 required Sciences affect nothing related to Material Efficiency and Wastage at all. They only affect the Chance of Invention Success. Period and Final. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention
** fixed |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:28:00 -
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If one is inventing ammo, do the faction versions of said ammo count as "meta"? And can you use just a single unit to properly apply the boost to invention chances?
Also: Is there a good resource that lists the various BPCs that can be created and, more importantly, the bills of materials that a ME -4/PE -4 will require?
I want to make sure I can easily access materials needed to produce the things I invent...before I invest too heavily into inventing itself. My searches on google have turned up hundreds of things related to that...but no flat out bill of materials lists. The items I have in mind don't seem to ever be available on the BPC market, so I can't check it in game. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |

Dayjavu
The Archaeus Initiative
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Posted - 2012.08.15 05:07:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:If one is inventing ammo, do the faction versions of said ammo count as "meta"? And can you use just a single unit to properly apply the boost to invention chances?
Also: Is there a good resource that lists the various BPCs that can be created and, more importantly, the bills of materials that a ME -4/PE -4 will require?
I want to make sure I can easily access materials needed to produce the things I invent...before I invest too heavily into inventing itself. My searches on google have turned up hundreds of things related to that...but no flat out bill of materials lists. The items I have in mind don't seem to ever be available on the BPC market, so I can't check it in game.
I personally use BPO Calcs to find out BPO information. Be aware though that a few things I have found to be a bit out of date but still an excellent resource.
Another brilliant tool I use everyday is EVE Isk Per Hour. Make sure you import your API key, the tool calculates based on your skills which is quite nice. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
570
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:30:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:If one is inventing ammo, do the faction versions of said ammo count as "meta"? And can you use just a single unit to properly apply the boost to invention chances?
Also: Is there a good resource that lists the various BPCs that can be created and, more importantly, the bills of materials that a ME -4/PE -4 will require?
I want to make sure I can easily access materials needed to produce the things I invent...before I invest too heavily into inventing itself. My searches on google have turned up hundreds of things related to that...but no flat out bill of materials lists. The items I have in mind don't seem to ever be available on the BPC market, so I can't check it in game.
[shameless plug] http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/ [/shamless plug] FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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