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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
557
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Posted - 2012.08.12 04:49:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lykouleon wrote:All you need to be an effective leader is a puppy and well-kept facial hair. And regular manicure appointments, yoga sessions and a healthy obsession with delegation. I always thought gold ak's and toilet paper made out of hundred dollar bills made me such a great leader.... The Like button is over there --> and up a lil bit. <3 |

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
118
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:15:00 -
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Im Lord Vaari! Earl of Sosan VII, Archbishop of the Church of Providence, Self proclaimed Prophetm Bane of the witches, Guardian angel of the Providence, Skilled miner, Great industriaist, Speaker of unquestuned truthm Teacher of faith, The world most beloved hero, Founder and despot of the Imperia+¦ Pharmacy and many more very impressive titlest say, that faith to the God is most important attribute for the leader. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
505
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:27:00 -
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Vaari wrote:Im Lord Vaari! Earl of Sosan VII, Archbishop of the Church of Providence, Self proclaimed Prophetm Bane of the witches, Guardian angel of the Providence, Skilled miner, Great industriaist, Speaker of unquestuned truthm Teacher of faith, The world most beloved hero, Founder and despot of the Imperia+¦ Pharmacy and many more very impressive titlest say, that faith to the God is most important attribute for the leader. I thought you were going to make a point about brain washing and money collection  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
24
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:48:00 -
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Good job OP. Death to trees !!! *Axe* *Chop, chop, chop...* You may understand what I'm talking about ;) |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2307
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:03:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Posting in a thread where I actually agree with something James 315 has said. Stick around and I think that will happen more frequently. 
Does anyone agree with the 5 things I listed in the OP? Or have another attribute they feel is just as important? 
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Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. SRS.
37
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:35:00 -
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Eh, I'll agree actually with OP.
I'd also add that good leadership should be able to FC anything even after having drank 5 or 6 pints of booze.
Also, a good leader has to be able to control the situation whenever it looks like THIS is what we are doing. |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
1868
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:39:00 -
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The real leader has no need to lead - he is content to point the way.
Actually, having seen a couple of corps with different leadership styles, those where everyone has grown into the position he ended up in and feels most comfortable with were by far the best ones.
The best CEOs and FCs I have seen didn't seek power, but were rather forced into their positions because they were good at what they did and rather took the position due to a feeling of responsibility, not because they wanted it. You know... morons. |

Wetwater
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:56:00 -
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While the OP is fine and correct as it is, I have played my fair share of MMOs.
I have a management position IRL and when I get on Eve I just want to be a grunt. Fortunately, many people...too many actually....want to lead. So this works out.
The OP shows one type of leader. A good one. The leader I current follow is of this type.
There is another type of leader. For lack of a better word, call them a 'charismatic' leader. These come in all shapes and forms but they all gather people around them by force of personality. They have an energy that they seem to transmit to those around them and they attract people because of this. THINGS happen when this person is around. Fun things.
The two types don't seem to mix in the same person. The best you can hope for is for someone of the OPs type to step up and help the charismatic type.
While the OP's type of leader is good to follow, the second type is more fun. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
340
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Vaari wrote:Im Lord Vaari! Earl of Sosan VII, Archbishop of the Church of Providence, Self proclaimed Prophetm Bane of the witches, Guardian angel of the Providence, Skilled miner, Great industriaist, Speaker of unquestuned truthm Teacher of faith, The world most beloved hero, Founder and despot of the Imperia+¦ Pharmacy and many more very impressive titlest say, that faith to the God is most important attribute for the leader. I thought you were going to make a point about brain washing and money collection 
Or is it money-washing and brain-collection?
There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
53
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:47:00 -
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ROFL this guy again... what happened CCP ****** up your corp jumping to kill miners? lawl
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=52796
Nothing but a loser... gankers at least LOSE a ship this guy just deced with an alt... joined up killed the people and left... lawl...
he won't stay in a corp long enough to be wardeced and raped let alone even shot at by the corp he aggroed...
Just petition for excessive bumping... ya it aint allowed. |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
3
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Posted - 2012.08.13 04:25:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Stick around and I think that will happen more frequently.  Does anyone agree with the 5 things I listed in the OP? Or have another attribute they feel is just as important? 
Maybe, Maybe not. Time will tell.
The Corp Wallet is not the CEO's personal reserve wallet. The CEO's personal wallet is the Corps reserve wallet. |

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:45:00 -
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Posting in a stealth Orca cargohold nerf whine thread. |

Adeleda Adoudel
Cloudkin Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:14:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:The very sound of Makalu Zarya1's voice can cause Logi and Tengus to appear out of thin air. pity they disappear in explosions just as quickly Looks like someone does not know how to use Killboards, we don't field Tengus and Scimis unless we have a shot of wiping the enemy out. Not to mention I got back from a fleet 15 minutes ago were we went all the way to Delve and back in a massive Tengu and Scimi fleet, and Test and friends decided it was to dangerous to undock, In 319.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AFpy5p9tdA
Jus sayin. Theres a vid with Lokis too ya know. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
120
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:44:00 -
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Your first post ever that was actually worth reading. Amat victoria curam. |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
37
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:20:00 -
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So now your the leader of an NPC corp am I reading that right? Hey james join a real corp and actually play the game.
Forum warriors please rip this hack to shreds. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Tiger Would
EoE-Group
443
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:44:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Posting in a thread where I actually agree with something James 315 has said. Stick around and I think that will happen more frequently.  Does anyone agree with the 5 things I listed in the OP? Or have another attribute they feel is just as important? 
Sense of humor doesn't hurt Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |

Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
38
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:55:00 -
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James 315 wrote:EVE has had a lot of amazing leaders, and a lot of amazingly terrible ones. What separates the good from the bad? How can good leadership help keep an alliance together--or cause an entire coalition of alliances to fall apart? Ever since I seized control of a small chunk of highsec, people have been asking me for advice on how to be an effective leader in the context of EVE. (Okay, maybe not a lot of people, but enough to warrant a post.) As with so much else in this wonderful sandbox game of ours, many lessons can be applied to other contexts. Have a look, and offer your own insights. I'm sure they'll be great. 1. Become a leader for a reason.If you want to become the leader of an EVE organization, you should first consider what you want to accomplish. If your only goal is to gain authority for its own sake, something is wrong. Leaders motivated only by getting titles tend to be failures--which doesn't help their ego in the long run anyway. 2. Level with people.Even though they've given you authority, the people you're in charge of aren't idiots. A good EVE CEO will tell the truth to the members of his alliance even when things are difficult. Perhaps especially then. Remember, everyone in EVE has access to outside sources of information. If you aren't an honest source of info, your corp members will increasingly rely on others. 3. Keep the game enjoyable.When players take on leadership responsibilities, they can fall into the trap of turning the game into a full-time job. For most people, this is made worse by the fact that administrative duties are among the most soul-crushing activities available. When the game stops being fun, you'll stop logging in. When your alliance is in danger, things will be even less fun, and you might--as so many alliance leaders have in the past--abandon the game when your alliance needs you the most. 4. Stay connected to the troops.In larger organizations, the CEO will rely more and more on a small number of top-level advisors. This is natural, since it's impossible to lead a large group without delegating. But there's a danger of isolating one's self and losing touch with the grunts on the front line. When that happens, they'll look elsewhere for leadership. Meanwhile, your view may be skewed. Without knowing the experience of the average soldier, it will be difficult for you to know what they're capable of and what to ask of them. 5. Have confidence but admit when you're wrong.Few things will put people off more than a leader who stubbornly refuses to admit an obvious mistake. A failure to admit and correct a mistake is another mistake. No one expects you to be infallible. However, don't go overboard in the other direction. If you're constantly changing your mind, you can't lead anyone. Well, there you have it! If you follow these five simple rules you will probably be better than a good percentage of the corp and alliance leaders in EVE. What other advice would you offer people in positions of power? 
Poasting in a 'I confuse EVE with real life' thread... |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2424
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:01:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:So now your the leader of an NPC corp am I reading that right? Hey james join a real corp and actually play the game.
Forum warriors please rip this hack to shreds. No, I am the leader of a section of highsec. As for the forum warriors, they're all on my side. 
Hestia Mar wrote:Poasting in a 'I confuse EVE with real life' thread... I disagree, I think there are principles of running an organization in EVE that also apply in non-EVE contexts. People are people, after all. 
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1287
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:47:00 -
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5 things every CEO should do to be successful in Tactical Knightmare
1. Drink tea 2. 'Key the mike' when you choke on said tea 3. **** on the Argies at every possible opportunity 4. Be aware that the moment your back is turned, your dog will puke on your bed, so remain vigilant 5. Remember that your duty is first and foremost to spend the corp wallet on Somer Blink My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Rellik B00n
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:52:00 -
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hey an advertising thread.
in reply to the bit after the advert OP, what kind of person sees a ladder and had to climb to the top? qfmjt-1 |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
40
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:20:00 -
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look up "who needs a ceo?" from the videos of the previous fanfest. |

Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
354
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:25:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Posting in a thread where I actually agree with something James 315 has said.
oddly its not that long till 12.12.12
I thought it was 12.21.12? It had to be revised to 12.12.12, so that it would be 666 X 2. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1704
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:01:00 -
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That's a cute OP, but totally and completely wrong.
Only one thing, and one thing only makes a good CEO.
You need the ability to gain the trust of your large membership so you can convince them to dump all their assets and ISK into the corp hangar and wallet right before you steal everything and kick them all out on thier sorry, trusting little asses.
'nuff said
Mr Epeen  There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:06:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:Theangryhobo wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Posting in a thread where I actually agree with something James 315 has said.
oddly its not that long till 12.12.12
I thought it was 12.21.12? It had to be revised to 12.12.12, so that it would be 666 X 2.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
141
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:55:00 -
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OP is Mittani's suicide gank alt. If he's not, what creditability does he have as a leader being in an NPC corp? just sayin.
How to be a good leader: 1.) Start obnoxious forum website full of trolls 2.) Charge your members real cash to join 3.) Make people join forums and pay for x amount of months before they are "blessed" to join fail alliance 4.) Make "prophetic" alt to suicide gank high-sec miners 5.) write super long winded manifesto's as if he has some merit 6.) Pay bounties to anyone who blows up ships you produce to get even richer 7.) Get drunk at CCP events and laugh about "suggesting" your goons make someone you don't know so completely miserable that they would commit suicide 8.) Get kicked or resign from CSM (whichever you choose to believe) and write a public apology for screwing up. 9.) Write said apology to save face with the community whom you have already been giving black eyes for years.
I'm sure many could add to this list. OP reminds of of the kid who thinks he's popular because he pushed everyone off the jungle gym in elementary school only when he doesn't realize that he is popular because people hate him not because he is a good person. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1291
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Posted - 2012.08.22 09:44:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:OP is Mittani's suicide gank alt. If he's not, what creditability does he have as a leader being in an NPC corp? just sayin.
How to be a good leader: 1.) Start obnoxious forum website full of trolls 2.) Charge your members real cash to join 3.) Make people join forums and pay for x amount of months before they are "blessed" to join fail alliance 4.) Make "prophetic" alt to suicide gank high-sec miners 5.) write super long winded manifesto's as if he has some merit 6.) Pay bounties to anyone who blows up ships you produce to get even richer 7.) Get drunk at CCP events and laugh about "suggesting" your goons make someone you don't know so completely miserable that they would commit suicide 8.) Get kicked or resign from CSM (whichever you choose to believe) and write a public apology for screwing up. 9.) Write said apology to save face with the community whom you have already been giving black eyes for years.
I'm sure many could add to this list. OP reminds of of the kid who thinks he's popular because he pushed everyone off the jungle gym in elementary school only when he doesn't realize that he is popular because people hate him not because he is a good person. kill thyself My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
140
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Posted - 2012.08.22 11:02:00 -
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Your point 2 and point 5 are pretty much the same. 
Sound advice though!  |

Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.08.22 11:35:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Posting in a thread where I actually agree with something James 315 has said.
oddly its not that long till 12.12.12
I thought it was 12.21.12? It's 21.12.12 for those of us with a decent date format. |

Warpshade
Warped Industries
18
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Posted - 2012.08.22 11:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Does anyone agree with the 5 things I listed in the OP? Or have another attribute they feel is just as important? 
Charisma; I don't know if possibly it's a case of the 5 points you mention can lead to becoming charismatic, or just that there's more factors that lead to that. I would definately say I can Identify some people who have qualities of the 5 points you mention, yet I would'nt say they were necessarily charismatic, I do believe some people have it, and some just don't. I would say that point number 4 definately is in strong relation to charisma, but isn't quite the same.
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2459
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:47:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:OP is Mittani's suicide gank alt. If he's not, what creditability does he have as a leader being in an NPC corp? just sayin.
How to be a good leader: 1.) Start obnoxious forum website full of trolls 2.) Charge your members real cash to join 3.) Make people join forums and pay for x amount of months before they are "blessed" to join fail alliance 4.) Make "prophetic" alt to suicide gank high-sec miners 5.) write super long winded manifesto's as if he has some merit 6.) Pay bounties to anyone who blows up ships you produce to get even richer 7.) Get drunk at CCP events and laugh about "suggesting" your goons make someone you don't know so completely miserable that they would commit suicide 8.) Get kicked or resign from CSM (whichever you choose to believe) and write a public apology for screwing up. 9.) Write said apology to save face with the community whom you have already been giving black eyes for years.
I'm sure many could add to this list. OP reminds of of the kid who thinks he's popular because he pushed everyone off the jungle gym in elementary school only when he doesn't realize that he is popular because people hate him not because he is a good person. Eh, not really. What does The Mittani need a suicide gank alt for? Check his security status...The Mittani is The Mittani's suicide gank alt. 
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