Lame alt-war that pales before James Bond and real-world reconnaissance/HUMINT/etc. both.

Actually, lowsec is about ****-easy logistics that takes no time and is nearly 100% safe and risk-free in an unstabbed industrial that your main flies because you don't need alts even when faction police attack you in highsec. Lowsec is about complaining when you have to travel more than 3 jumps to get a fight. Lowsec is about logging off in a station. Lowsec is about mistakes costing isk rather than time.

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And avoiding consequences by buying ISK for ships with plexes until the $ are empty. That's boring. Every amateur is able to live in low. In the worst case he pays $ for his mistakes. When you loose sov in 0.0 you are basically out of the game.

When you loose sov in 0.0 you are basically out of the game.

My idea was to turn lowsec into the ghetto, filled with drugs(boosters) and organized crime. Instead of having empire factions control the space have either pirate factions or drug cartels.

The idea is similar to one i had awhile ago. Instead of nerfing highsec to get people to live in lowsec, lowsec just needs to be changed all together to make it unique so that people will want to live there.

My idea was to turn lowsec into the ghetto, filled with drugs(boosters) and organized crime. Instead of having empire factions control the space have either pirate factions or drug cartels. Screw having ore in lowsec(could still have grav sites) just boost gas cloud spawn rate or have static gas clouds instead. Also remove GCC, and sec loss after -4.9 in lowsec. Theres more but you get the idea.

This sounds awesome if done right.

+1

I do have to ask: Why is low sec still more dangerous than null?

What does lowsec offer that highsec, nullsec and wormholes do not?
It's also the least safe of all four areas of space.
High risk + Low reward = broken aspect of the game.

You can ask most pirates out there, and you will find that the biggest nerf to low sec pvp, and 0,0 for that matter, was warp to 0.

Highsec is safer due to NPC control.
Nullsec is safer due to player control.
Wormholes are "safer" because of local-chat invisibility and shifting entrances.

Lowsec starts with little safety, and no way to control or increase it. It's faction-enforced risk.


I agree with this. Low is the seedy back-alley of empire space where the cops rarely go.

I'm not as focused on the risk/reward aspect as I am lowsec's "identity." I don't think the game should have a smooth gradient of risk/reward based on area. If it did, low would have all the best stuff, but that's a boring way to solve the problem. Low needs to be its own thing, with its own gameplay styles, just like high/null/wh.

You know...Low-Sec used to be worse than it is now, once upon a time we had no anomalies, faction warfare or exploration, on top of that we didn't have warp to 0km...It's busier now than it was 6-7 years ago. The gategun changes and some improvements to the rewards in low-sec (ores or whatever less) and it will get there.

So the majority of PvP in low-sec was/is just sitting at a gate and because of warp to 0 the target was not as easy to kill.

Lol, no wonder hardly anyone bothers to go there.

Again i read about raising income in lowsec/nerfing highsec ...
... and again history repeats itself because that's not gonna help move people into lowsec ...
... just as CCP has shown already over and over again.

*shakeshead*

Exactly it would not change anything other than pissing some people off.

It's not only that.

I've seen plenty of people in several lowsec systems over the past years.

Not only pirates, but also "carebears". People doing industrial stuff, running lvl5s,
hidden anomalies, static ones, etc. (guess it's not a carebear anymore if it's in lowsec ^_^)

I've also seen plenty of lowsec systems being empty. For hours. Nobody cares going there.
The reason can't be that it's not worth it, because these systems also had sites to run ...
they had belts to mine ... and there were no pirates in there.


So far, it really seems that CCP ignores the fact that plenty of people don't go to lowsec
because they perceive it as a dangerous place. They are afraid of losing ships/stuff.


I don't deny that gatecamps play their part of keeping highseccers out of lowsec,
but the bigger reason seems to be the - actually delusional - idea that lowsec is dangerous
and that one will die there, rather sooner than later. This idea just stems from their inability
to understand how to defend themselves ... and it seems that nobody is teaching it.

I'm a big fan of the sentry changes CCP talked about, btw ... but i'm sure they'll back off,
because of all the whiners who just whine for their own sake, ignoring the long term benefits.


Buffing lowsec/nerfing highsec won't change anything ... as it hasn't before.


To get more people to lowsec, i believe, CCP should teach noobs how to survive there and that it's not as bad
as people believe it is. A big part in this also comes from the carebears talking to noobs, telling them
"You don't want to go there because pirates will kill you.", "it's dangerous, stay out", etc etc.


I've often noticed people saying this ... and this is not only sad, but also ruins potential fun for many who'll
- just because of these words - won't just head out to lowsec because they are afraid.


I believe that, if CCP wants people to go to lowsec, they have to teach them not to be afraid and make it
actually easier for noobs to kill people at gates/stations. See the talked about sentry changes.

I really can't see a way to improve low-sec without making it safer. Which the low-sec inhabitants understandably don't want and it's probably why CCP have largely ignored the problems there. But a lot of those problems stem from the way the inhabitants play the game. Making high-sec worse and low-sec better will just make people leave. Because we're not just talking about game mechanics but also play styles.

My ideas for improving lowsec would be:

1. Give a boost to lowsec ore/rats while giving a nerf to highsec ore/rats.
2. Remove sec status penalty for all actions occurring in lowsec.

But on Tranquility that noob can just jump into lowsec and not worry about pirates, because the gates are empty.

Unless he/she listened to clueless bears, and starts imagining evil pirates on every gate.

Solstice got it right, these perceived problems of lowsec are purely psychological.

Fear, stops you from living.

I think the lowsec inhabitants have the ability to make it more interesting and less risky for other players to get into.
Instead they kill everything that moves, and complain that no one goes there any more.

I've even heard them on comms in a gatecamp saying lowsec needs a boost of some kind, but all their suggestions were ways to make it easier to kill the few people who still go there that have actually managed to survive thus far.

So the majority of PvP in low-sec was/is just sitting at a gate and because of warp to 0 the target was not as easy to kill.

Lol, no wonder hardly anyone bothers to go there.