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Del Preston
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
this has been a public service announcement
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:15:00 -
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Because knowing is half the battle.
The other half is Logi's and ECM!
-- I can not decide on a sig yet.
Under Construction.
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Del Preston
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:17:00 -
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ehh i give it 20/80 in favor of ecm and logi
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:28:00 -
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And supercaps.
Don't forget the supercaps.
Or do they count as logi? ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 13/12/2010 17:30:22
Originally by: Shiho Weitong And supercaps.
Don't forget the supercaps.
Or do they count as logi?
And ECM, thank the giant Burst thingy.
-- I can not decide on a sig yet.
Under Construction.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Del Preston ehh i give it 20/80 in favor of ecm and logi
frogout will hate u forever if u boost up your ecm skills
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TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Narisa Bithon
Originally by: Del Preston ehh i give it 20/80 in favor of ecm and logi
frogout will hate u forever if u boost up your ecm skills
Really? 
*Quickly changes his skillqueue to ECM skills.
How do you like that frogout?     
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari Koa Mai Hoku
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Shiho Weitong on 13/12/2010 18:34:25
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 13/12/2010 17:30:22
Originally by: Shiho Weitong And supercaps.
Don't forget the supercaps.
Or do they count as logi?
And ECM, thank the giant Burst thingy.
So... What I can deduce from that.
Knowing is 20% of the battle and supercaps is the other 80%.
amirite?
Ed: forgot "and" ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it.
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Del Preston Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
QFT.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 13/12/2010 18:40:36
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Del Preston Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
QFT.
Except you seem to be too dumb to understand that the removal of learning skills is in fact to the overwhelming advantage of new players.
Edit: Ah...your "law" thingie is your sig...well...my statement still stands true. :P
Sig.Learning skills vote. |
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TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 13/12/2010 18:40:36
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Del Preston Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
QFT.
Except you seem to be too dumb to understand that the removal of learning skills is in fact to the overwhelming advantage of new players.
Edit: Ah...your "law" thingie is your sig...well...my statement still stands true. :P
Who cares about new players? I will enjoy my ~1,000,000 SP. 
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:45:00 -
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Yeah I will enjoy my 5 million SP. Figured out last night that if I use it right as of tomorrow I will be into Carriers and Dreads for both Amarr and Caldari, Logistics for both races, Orca/Rorq, Legion and I already fly Tengu, Jump Frieghters, Transports and Covert Ops.
Needless to say...I can't wait. 
Sig.Learning skills vote. |

TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Yeah I will enjoy my 5 million SP. Figured out last night that if I use it right as of tomorrow I will be into Carriers and Dreads for both Amarr and Caldari, Logistics for both races, Orca/Rorq, Legion and I already fly Tengu, Jump Frieghters, Transports and Covert Ops.
Needless to say...I can't wait. 
I for one welcome my new Nighthawk. Suck that Leadership skills. 
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Del Preston
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:47:00 -
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im getting ~3.1 on two accounts.
the main finally gets t2 guns and cruiser 5
the alt...well no idea what im doing with him. maybe drake + t2 missles or more alty skills
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CCP Prism X
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:51:00 -
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I am Prism X and I support this message as the author of the code that is going to mess with your queue! I'm also rather annoyed that I couldn't work in the word "junk" instead of "queue".
Anywhos, I spent a good amount of time ensuring that any skill in training would get fully reimbursed according to accrued training points at the point of script run-time and new training, if any, started at that exact point in time. I'm pretty confident in it but the fact remains that you'll have no way of anticipating the exact amount of SPs accrued at run-time so it'll make any petitioning for lack of reimbursed skill points somewhat of a guess work.
For the player that is. Our GMs have crazy tools to verify stuff to a new level, but them telling anybody "NO YOU!" is not going to make them any happier as perception is reality. 
~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer and Acting API Dude |
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 13/12/2010 18:52:44
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 13/12/2010 18:40:36
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Del Preston Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
QFT.
Except you seem to be too dumb to understand that the removal of learning skills is in fact to the overwhelming advantage of new players.
Edit: Ah...your "law" thingie is your sig...well...my statement still stands true. :P
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds on unrespecable stat combo skills instead of stuff I urgently need, and thus being able to keep on rolling at 2600 SP/hr, thereby even further widening the gap over new players who now don't even have the option of training learning skills higher than me.
Maybe "overwhelming" is overstating the effect in this case and I'll have to modify my Law to "nearly always overwhelming", but in an absolute sense, I will get more than a new player.
See me complaining? No sir, you do not. After being shafted by various wrong headed nerfs, I'm content to be on the benefiting side of a buff for a change. Whilst I do regret the loss of a dimension of strategic choice, I'm prepared to accept that the greater goal of making the game apparently more accessible takes precedence. So it has been decided, so let it be done.
Amen. I'm rather looking forward to getting a Skirmish Mindlink, and also adding the Damnatation and the Anshar to one of my alts and the Cheetah to my other.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |

TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 13/12/2010 18:52:44
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 13/12/2010 18:40:36
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Del Preston Edited by: Del Preston on 13/12/2010 17:13:58 don't forget to *edit*replace them before downtime =)
QFT.
Except you seem to be too dumb to understand that the removal of learning skills is in fact to the overwhelming advantage of new players.
Edit: Ah...your "law" thingie is your sig...well...my statement still stands true. :P
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds on unrespecable stat combo skills instead of stuff I urgently need, and thus being able to keep on rolling at 2600 SP/hr, thereby even further widening the gap over new players who now don't even have the option of training learning skills higher than me.
Maybe "overwhelming" is overstating the effect in this case and I'll have to modify my Law to "nearly always overwhelming", but in an absolute sense, I will get more than a new player.
See me complaining? No sir, you do not. After being shafted by various wrong headed nerfs, I'm content to be on the benefiting side of a buff for a change. Whilst I do regret the loss of a dimension of strategic choice, I'm prepared to accept that the greater goal of making the game apparently more accessible takes precedence. So it has been decided, so let it be done.
Amen. I'm rather looking forward to getting a Skirmish Mindlink, and also adding the Damnatation and the Anshar to one of my alts and the Cheetah to my other.
An intelligent post? In a Learning Skills thread? Give me my trolls back! 
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
Sig.Learning skills vote. |

Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
Think he means across multiple accounts. ---
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 13/12/2010 19:20:22
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
That's because you stupidly stopped reading there and missed this important part: Originally by: Malcanis I'm rather looking forward to getting a Skirmish Mindlink, and also adding the Damnatation and the Anshar to one of my alts and the Cheetah to my other.
àof course, you didn't really have to read that far ahead to figure out what he meant.
Personally, I only have ~5.2M SP to spendà see if you can figure out what that means.  ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
You should have carried on a bit and maybe considered the difference between the singular "refund" and the plural "refunds".
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |

TheGoodTrader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
You should have carried on a bit and maybe considered the difference between the singular "refund" and the plural "refunds".
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
Originally by: Malcanis Jack off a horse.
  
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Ritzenhoff
Gallente Ritzenhoff Industrial Design
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
LOLed IRL 
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
You should have carried on a bit and maybe considered the difference between the singular "refund" and the plural "refunds".
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
You do realize that there are a plural number of learning skills right? Now...about that horse...
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Del Preston
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:03:00 -
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friendly bump, friendly reminder
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Thom Thobe
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
You should have carried on a bit and maybe considered the difference between the singular "refund" and the plural "refunds".
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
You do realize that there are a plural number of learning skills right? Now...about that horse...
So why did you write it in singular?
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X I am Prism X and I support this message as the author of the code that is going to mess with your queue! I'm also rather annoyed that I couldn't work in the word "junk" instead of "queue".
Anywhos, I spent a good amount of time ensuring that any skill in training would get fully reimbursed according to accrued training points at the point of script run-time and new training, if any, started at that exact point in time. I'm pretty confident in it but the fact remains that you'll have no way of anticipating the exact amount of SPs accrued at run-time so it'll make any petitioning for lack of reimbursed skill points somewhat of a guess work.
For the player that is. Our GMs have crazy tools to verify stuff to a new level, but them telling anybody "NO YOU!" is not going to make them any happier as perception is reality. 
 PrismX FTW --
Join BIG
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Corvus Dove
Caldari Event Horizon Plc. Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X I am Prism X and I support this message as the author of the code that is going to mess with your queue! I'm also rather annoyed that I couldn't work in the word "junk" instead of "queue".
Anywhos, I spent a good amount of time ensuring that any skill in training would get fully reimbursed according to accrued training points at the point of script run-time and new training, if any, started at that exact point in time. I'm pretty confident in it but the fact remains that you'll have no way of anticipating the exact amount of SPs accrued at run-time so it'll make any petitioning for lack of reimbursed skill points somewhat of a guess work.
For the player that is. Our GMs have crazy tools to verify stuff to a new level, but them telling anybody "NO YOU!" is not going to make them any happier as perception is reality. 
While you're in there, can you create a header called CorvusISK.h and add:
IF (player = 'Corvus Dove') { playerWalletBalance = 99,999,999,999,99.99 }
kthx ;) ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal. |

Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Malcanis
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being able to spend my 8 million SP worth of skill refunds
I stopped there...since now I know you are full of ****. I have maxed ALL of my learning skills and I know for a fact that the max amount of refund you will get is 5.376 million SP.
You should have carried on a bit and maybe considered the difference between the singular "refund" and the plural "refunds".
Perhaps you'll consider the value of correct grammar on the internet the next time you help your Uncle Jack off a horse.
You do realize that there are a plural number of learning skills right? Now...about that horse...
Lol not only did you write it in singular, but you're clutching desperately trying to gain a bit of dignity back after mistaking what was an OBVIOUS statement about multiple accounts as opposed to an incorrect statement about the number of learning skill points.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:41:00 -
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Alright whatever...ill concede and go jack off my horse. Its more action than Malcanis gets anyway...I should feel lucky.
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