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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 14:16:00 -
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This is rather unfair.
For both my accounts I had remaps coming up in the next two months. Long awaited remaps, however due to this silly little "free gift" which on balance is not balanced at all.
For anyone who had their remap timer complete before the 15th and didn't spend it now has 2 remaps, for anyone who waited 11 months and was on the final stretch of their remap phase now only has one remap and can only use that once and has to wait an entire year for another. A very poorly implemented system and very annoying that CCP didn't think about this.
How hard can it be to just give everyone who was due a remap in a month or two month another remap then? Rather than allowing people to stack up 2/3 remaps.
Why has CCP even given a free remap out? Yet alone made it unfair on half* population of Eve.
* Figure pulled out of my ass
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 14:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Linda Flamewalker
*sighs*
I agree, if I had remapped 13 months ago I wouldn't be in this problem and in fact I would be able to remap to max out Charisma skills to then remap back to my next year plan. However since I was a month off a remap timer completing on one of my accounts I am now just left with 1 remap that once used takes another year to do.
It really isn't balanced and has given a large portion of Eve the benefit of remapping for a month for a few large skills and then back to whatever else they want.
So poorly done, hopefully CCP will find the need to address this sooner rather than later. Not only have they removed one of the only "diverse" things about skill training to differentiate you from the person who didn't train his learning skills they've gone and given a bunch of people the opportunity to max the crap out of a skill set in a month and change to another remap.
I would like to see a fix to make this fairer on the rest of Eve who did have a remap timer completing whether it be 11 months and 29 days away or not it would only be fair to allow them to have a 2nd remap point on the anniversary date.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Thanks for the explanation CCP.
I am one of those that had a remap coming up soonish, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth. So thanks for the patch and the explanation wrt to remap.
To the rest of you, HTFU.
Ah well, I am one of those who are concerned why I receive a pair of socks for Christmas as a "gift" where as a large portion of Eve received a pair of socks and boxer shorts.
Can't deal with people complaining, HTFU
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 15:00:58
Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 14:59:59
Originally by: Choujinburi
Haha wow, this is brilliant.
"WAHHH YOU DIDNT GIVE ME ANYTHING FREE YOU ONLY MOVED MY REMAP DATE"
Get over yourself, EVE isn't fair, shut up and be grateful for what you got you little turds.
Lol...
Wait you didn't really give me anything free but you gave a lot of other people the ability to stack remaps again. Now they optimise for a short time and revert back to what they want.
I think it's something reasonable to WAHHHHH about.
Originally by: Staggerr
Originally by: heheheh
Seems alot of people are having problems understanding the explanaiton.
Yeah nobody explained how some people got 2 free remaps yet (lot of people with the timer running out soon, did).
Not sure if its a troll or not but...
Remap anniversary before 15th of december in which you didn't spend that 1 remap point - You now have 2 remaps available.
Remap anniversary after 15th of december - You now have 1 remap and no remap anniversary until you use that remap.
Never used a remap - 3 remaps available (2 on a brand new account)
So those who had remaps afterwards are significantly shafted as everyone else has received a massive bonus of being able to remap twice or more. You (I) can only remap once and have to wait the year cycle as our remap anniversaries mean nothing until we have 0 remaps available.
For the case where some people claim to have got more remaps than they should have, could be a number of things... i.e they had one already, had an anniversary expiring just before. Or they really did get more remaps and CCP screwed up once again.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 15:15:00
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Captain Mastiff
Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 14:50:12
Originally by: Riedle
Thanks for the explanation CCP.
I am one of those that had a remap coming up soonish, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth. So thanks for the patch and the explanation wrt to remap.
To the rest of you, HTFU.
Ah well, I am one of those who are concerned why I receive a pair of socks for Christmas as a "gift" where as a large portion of Eve received a pair of socks and boxer shorts.
Can't deal with people complaining, HTFU
I would of quite liked training for Leadership based skills using the free remap but finding out my anniversary date is now wiped renders that all completely ****ing useless now. So once again thanks CCP for giving a gift which unbalances it for a bunch of people.
So if they gave NO gift, you'd have been happier? Is it a case of "If I can't have it then noone should" bawbaw etc. lots of things in EVE have been and continue to be unfair, it's the way of EVE. How **** would this game suddenly be if CCP said "Right, we're fed up of moaning everytime we try do something for people, so from now on we wont give anything away, no ships no maps no nothing ever again because if it's not 100% fair to 100% of the people there's always someone complaining, it's much safer to just never do anything good."
It's more a case of...
Don't give out "free" gifts if it isn't balanced. In this case it clearly isn't balanced if people are able to stack remaps because their anniversary date expired a before this update and now have 2 remaps. Where as anyone after only has one and can't remap for another year afterwards.
It's a gift to some of population of Eve and a huge disadvantage to the rest. Sure I would of loved to remap for leadership skills and then remap back to standard Perception/Willpower though I can't without shafting my SP/Hour on other skills unlike a large portion of Eve who now have 2 remaps available.
So maybe it should be more like this for CCP in their discussion.
"Will this "free" gift effect people negatively and or give other people the upper hand?" Mr CCP 1
"Yes" MR CCP 2
"Don't implement it then, lets think this one through before relasing it" MR CCP 1
"Sure, it will be fairer on everyone else" MR CCP 2
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Captain Mastiff
Ah well, I am one of those who are concerned why I receive a pair of socks for Christmas as a "gift" where as a large portion of Eve received a pair of socks and boxer shorts.
You know, considering that in this metaphorical Christmas 'socks' means 'between 0 and 5.4 million skillpoints, a free ship as well as potentially some attribute points'
You clearly haven't understand the entire topic then.
Nothing to do with reimbursed skillpoints. It's to do with the fact some people have been given a bonus which allows them to have 2 remaps. Where it is impossible for the likes of myself any many other people to get 2 remaps as my anniversary date was due after the update.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 15:27:22
Originally by: Riedle
Dude, in short - if this issue causes you this much grief in real life then consider yourself to be a very blessed person.
Get over it. Life isn't fair.
Suck it up or GTFO.
Wat?
I imagine you are a member of the 2 remap side. It's not causing me grief in my real life, just causing a large imbalance in a controlled enviroment AKA a game which can be altered. If this was real life sure people would suck it up and get on with it because that's life and it can't be changed.
This is a game, CCP can quickly alter it. If we look at it another way and you lost an extremely expensive ship from an exploit or bug you would be complaining to CCP straight away and wouldn't go "Life isn't fair".
For those trolling or unable to comprehend the idea of constructive criticism.
The fact is a lot of members have got shafted over a free gift, if you were in that position where you are at a major disadvantage over other people you wouldn't be happy.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Think we can easily reach page 20 with this.
What was the problem again? 
Santa gave us a present, though other people got better a present.
Effectively that's it.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 15:56:42
Originally by: KurnKuku
There is a lot of this going about, I was trying to find what it is called in psychology, where everyone having nothing is better than some having more. I am sure I read something years ago about it.
It was the same with the learning skills, the fact that some people who trained it would of preferred everyone else to go through that misery because they had to, rather than not go through it. It was ok though if they were compensated.
Seems inherent human behaviour for some people.
It's a reasonable human response though, same when you have two rich people. One was daddys boy who got all the money from inheritance and another worked for it. The one who worked for it insists the other doesn't deserve it because he didn't work for it.
On the other hand this is a game that can be fixed very easily by CCP and real life analogies don't really work. It just shows another level of incompetence.
Christ, have a look at the thread where they claimed to have "accidentally" inserted some auto download security software on the Buy plex page.
Originally by: ****bott
Edited by: ****bott on 16/12/2010 15:51:32 Originally by: Serpents smile
Think we can easily reach page 20 with this.
What was the problem again?
Santa gave us a present, though other people got better a present.
Effectively that's it.
More like everybody got a present, but those who had birthday in 3 days just got their birthday present in advance instead.
Basically its better to have birthday during the summer.
I would say it's more like you had a birthday in a month (remap). Instead of getting a birthday present you only got a christmas present. People who's birthday were before christmas got a birthday present and a christmas present.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 16:16:44
Originally by: Riedle
They changed the learning skills and reset the cool down timer on the remaps for people who may have been speced for learning skills that are no longer there.
That's why they did it. It wasn't just to give out free remaps.
suck it up.
So the fix to balance is to only give a remap to those who had a timer...
Not give those who already one stacked up and waiting another bonus of being able to remap twice without waiting a year.
The big thing is we have to wait a year for our 2nd remap, they have it whenever. A year is a lot of SP when you wanted to do something like leadership based skills. I would be learning 50% less than if I picked my standard skill path.
HTFU? No, fix the problem.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:46:00 -
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Likely at all to see a GM/Dev post again any time soon?
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Namira Incendie
So If I use a remap and then wait 2 years will I have 2 remaps?
Nope
Only once you have 0 remaps remaining does the 365 day counter begin. Once that is completed you are awarded one remap, until that remap is utilised the counter for another 365 days won't start.
Ideally for optimise SP/Hour/Year it's best to have your plan, planned in advance to the remap.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: white kight
Originally by: Spark Rinn
While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.
However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.
Agreed. I haven't got a free remap at all either, its just moved it forward a couple of months. Promoting this as a FREE remap without explaining that its actually the one you are entitled to, just its a month or 2 earlier, is bad PR and you wonder why people are ****ed. Thanks CCP
Yep thanks CCP for a useless timer reset seeing as I had a year planned out. Now whoopdie doo I have my timer reset and a remap 2 months too early which will do nothing until my plan is finished.
Many other players can deviate away from their plan for the notorious Charisma skills and return back to a normal plan.
Thanks a lot, fantastic use of your own game mechanics Bravo CCP.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.12.19 22:12:00 -
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Yup, looks like we'll just have to keep this thread bumped up until they get fed up and actually give us a response.
It's rather irritating that the Devs just overlook the thread, we know they're browsing the forums as you see responses on the most silly questions that can be answered in NPC corp chat. Though as soon as it's something questioning their motives or in fact their lack of motivation to commit to quality patches they go silent.
Reminds me of the whole Roflket threadnaught, the only responses we got from CCP were actually "Removing post due to spam".
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2011.01.15 19:45:00 -
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Agreed, I still haven't got round to using the remap because my plan doesn't finish for another month two months. Would of sure been nice to train a different path for a few months though...
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