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Shannagins
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative
Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2012.08.12 17:59:00 -
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Are you tired of Hulkageddon and Now the permament bounties on exhumers???
So are we.
Several of us feel we should all stage our own Aggeon.
Call it Marketaggedon.
So what would happen to all these pirates, gankes, ninja salvagers, and such if we staged a market walkout.
Idea is if we removed all sells from market for 30 days by end most of the players that annoy us will be out of ships as well as isk from getting replacments from now industrial sources during the walkout.
Industrial players as a group are the stongest in game. The problem is we never work together.
Imagine it, as a group we control 85 to 90% of sells and manufacturing in the game.
Remeber this is just an idea now but with help it could be pulled off proving to cpp and all pvp/pve people once and for all the power of industrial players.
Fly Fun all!!!
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:10:00 -
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Yeah, right ...
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Shannagins
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative
Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:21:00 -
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This is just an idea i have heard talked about by many industrial players . I put here figuring maybe people could discuss the idea and who knows from there. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
317
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:31:00 -
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It's been talked about and discussed many times, and there is just no logistical way of doing it. As soon as prices started to rise, people would cash out, because it would serve their purposes.
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Shannagins
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative
Nox Draconum
0
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:43:00 -
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even one day of nothing on the market would be enough to effect game play!!!
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Gaius Fabricius
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:56:00 -
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Will not work, someone will cash-out the instant it is profitable to do it. |
Skeln Thargensen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:05:00 -
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maybe you should make a giant union and kick/wardec any scabs
Yeah well does your corp get free bacon? |
Fortwunny
Sovereign Front
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:19:00 -
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Always makes me sad when I hear this.
I mean, union IRL have enough trouble when your talking all the people of a certain professions in a small area who all speak the same language and who all befit by the union.
Now your proposing a union of thousands of people who don't know each other, who don't like each other, who live across the planet in all timezones, speak different languages, and on top of that gain absolutely nothing by participating.
GL with that. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:31:00 -
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HAHAHAHAAHAHHA!
Oh wait, you're serious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:33:00 -
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This remides me of an event that took place in the not to distant past, a very large group of players tried to halt the eve economy by destroying every ship that came into a perticular trade hub for a whole weekend.
The end result was..... some ships were destroyed.
Your idea: You will stick it to the man by not selling your minerals. I need ships and charges, well I have an industrial alt I will just make my own. I make my own stuff, at a bit of a loss and continue to profit. You on the other hand completely halt all profits for a month. |
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:55:00 -
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Shannagins wrote:
So what would happen to all these pirates, gankes, ninja salvagers, and such if we staged a market walkout.
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Because these people don't have alts.
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HostageTaker
Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:09:00 -
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Awww newbies like the OP are so cute and naive...
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:06:00 -
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Nothing stopping you from doing it yourself. Just buy out the market of everything you think Gankers need.
By the way, not everyone who builds things opposes Suicide Ganking. Exhumer Manufacturers, for one...
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Zinn Irate
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:09:00 -
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It's astounding how many miners and manufacturers in Eve don't understand basic economics.
If a large group of miners and manufacturers actually began to decrease market supply through an organized boycott, demand would remain as high as ever. Funny thing happens in situations where supply decreases relative a steady or increasing demand. Stuff becomes worth a lot more.
Thereby, the more successful you are at organizing market boycotts, the greater everyone's incentive to go against that boycott. It's a Sisyphean pursuit that's doomed to result in utter failure.
The better thing to do is to accept that getting ganked is a cost of doing business in Eve. If you want to be a successful miner or manufacturer, you need to work to avoid such losses through skill and strategy. And when all that fails and you lose a barge or load, factor those losses into your budgets. Then, plan accordingly That's what I do. Losses are rare, and when they happen, it's a very acceptable loss.
Best of all, the gankers thin out the carebear herd that just wants to graze on easy grass without effort or risk, thereby increasing my profit margins.
No tears. No regrets. Lots of isk.
And that's how Eve is done. |
Huttan Funaila
222 EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:27:00 -
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Who is John Galt? |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:41:00 -
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Let me know when you plan on starting, I shall stockpile various goods until then in steadfast preparation. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
230
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:23:00 -
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Ever hear of "The Prisoner's Dilemma"? That is why things like this don't work.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:21:00 -
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Shannagins wrote:Are you tired of Hulkageddon and Now the permament bounties on exhumers???
Couldn't care less. Really. Can't get any more into the "caring less" sandbox. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries
Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:45:00 -
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It would be pretty cool of all the industrialists of eve united. be pretty epic. but impossible unless you offered plexs or something. |
Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:45:00 -
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Replace your mining hulks with covetor. The yields are not that much smaller but your bottom line will suffer much less if you lose a ship. |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:34:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Replace your mining hulks with covetor. The yields are not that much smaller but your bottom line will suffer much less when you lose a ship.
FTFY. This is EvE afterall 
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Evolution1979
No Self Esteem
Imperius Legio Victrix
51
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:59:00 -
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Seems to me that OP has a crapton of dessies lying around, he wants to sell for extreme prices tbh  |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:55:00 -
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It's amazing to me how people can stage Hulkageddon every year (and they do a great job with it) yet miners and industrialist cant even come together for one month to stage a concerted effort.
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
194
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:57:00 -
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The smart will put away 10% of everything they accumulate in the game, every day. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.16 23:04:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:It's amazing to me how people can stage Hulkageddon every year (and they do a great job with it) yet miners and industrialist cant even come together for one month to stage a concerted effort.
Personally I think it's an ADD thing: Hulkageddoners are in for the lulz, bright flashes of things blowing up, and the occassional roflragequit in Local. Industrialists think beyond that and play their own game.
What I find curious is why so many just don't get it. Very odd. Maybe it's an comment on today's education system. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.17 03:35:00 -
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Looking at the name of the OP's posting alt ... and reading the suggestion ...
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ... 1/10 for a truly ****** market manipulation attempt. |
Frostys Virpio
Profit's Prophets
Strategic Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:11:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:It's amazing to me how people can stage Hulkageddon every year (and they do a great job with it) yet miners and industrialist cant even come together for one month to stage a concerted effort.
One miner selling out basicly put the loop in danger. Especially if he had a large stockpile. 1 player not killing hulks have no change to stop hulkageddon. Thats the difference why one can eb done many time and the other can't. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:25:00 -
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Yes, because people will stop making money to show the gankers the error of their ways!
Oh wait, no they won;t. |
Vauss Dutan
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:45:00 -
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Shannagins wrote:even one day of nothing on the market would be enough to effect game play!!!
How?
How often do gankers spend even one day without visiting the market? I would say quite often.
One day would only affect gankers who are running on empty on that day.
Should you manage to dry up the market, you will also create an amazing opportunity for players to make isk. Eve players love opportunities to make isk.
Your idea wont work.
If you're tired of them, kill them, camp them, beat them into submission. That's the solution. |
Pipa Porto
795
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:21:00 -
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Vauss Dutan wrote:If you're tired of them, kill them, camp them, beat them into submission. That's the solution.
Park a 650 AC Tornado on top of some Hulks.
They go GCC, you start Blapping them (takes ~2 shots each, at 3s a shot, you can kill 3 before CONCORD arrives, and another 2-3 before CONCORD finishes killing them all). If they're -5, start blapping before they go GCC.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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