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luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.18 23:55:00 - [1] Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 18/12/2010 23:58:45 Hi all, just looking for some advice. Recently changed from a nvidia 285gtx to an amd 6970 with the intention of adding another amd to crossfire next year. While the fps is comparable, the 6970 seems to have a persistent stutter which makes the game unattractive. fya I play on 2 1080p monitors with 1 client on each. Im starting to think that i made a mistake but cannot bring myself to believe that the 6970 is no faster than a 2 year old card lol. Any amd fans have any advice? EDIT - system spec QX9650 @ 3.6ghz 4Gb @ 1066Mhz. This system played from 30fps to a 60fps, in fairness 60fps in most occasions with a 285gtx. The fps drop isnt really the main issue, its the horrid stutter, like an instantaneous frame pause then resumption.
Dark Striped	Posted - 2010.12.19 00:21:00 - [2] if you havnt done a full windows install since swapping cards do one, can work wonders. make sure your clients are set to teh right monitor in teh option panel, can hit ati fps hard if teh 1 client is on the 2 moniter. my 4870 runs 2 26" monitors with up to 5 clients all at 60 fps the 6700 series shoudl be way better
Jaqel Broadside	Posted - 2010.12.19 00:25:00 - [3] I run 4 clients on 1 1080P using an 2 x ATI 5770. You won't get more than 60 FPS anyway. On full settings I usually get 60 FPS although the cards are running at max - intention is to get another 1080P 36" -> hopefully they will bring out a new higher graphics TV soon. Not sure what your problem is but the usual suspect is the above post about contamination of driver software. Either reinstall or try uninstall manually, see if it works. 6970 sounds great,, does it heat ur room up too ?
Xyfu Minmatar Applied Mechanics	Posted - 2010.12.19 00:49:00 - [4] Ah, I can actually help here! Ctrl+F ingame, does your framerate graph look like a sawtooth? _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.19 01:47:00 - [5] You're experiencing a bug in DirectX/Windows. At times (happens to all vendors) two or more D3D output windows will conflict and the frame output will not be capable of matching the refresh rate, this is why you're seeing the 30/60 flicker (technical issue with how V-sync works). Turn off V-Sync by selecting "Interval Immediate" to fix this. An NVIDIA guy had the same issue when he changed his graphics card, and is probably on the 9/10th page of the Issues & Workarounds forum - disabling V-sync worked for him. You could also try selecting the right output for the right monitor, as you'll find two graphics cards in the dropdown menu for Display Output. Select the right one for the right client, and you might find it also fixes the problem. ---
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 02:51:00 - [6] meh, thanks for the input. Ive had about all i can stomach from this card and im downgrading to my old 285 for a while. My monitors are 120hz anyway and in older games where my 285 would allow 120hz, this pos doesnt. In some titles its like travelling back in time 4 years.../rant. Im playing on a completely fresh install on W7, theres really nothing i can do, though i will try and match monitors to gfx outputs like you guys said since mon 2 is on the left and i did usually assign output 1 to that.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Grez on 19/12/2010 03:01:56 Originally by: luvs2sp00j meh, thanks for the input. Ive had about all i can stomach from this card and im downgrading to my old 285 for a while. My monitors are 120hz anyway and in older games where my 285 would allow 120hz, this pos doesnt. In some titles its like travelling back in time 4 years.../rant. Im playing on a completely fresh install on W7, theres really nothing i can do, though i will try and match monitors to gfx outputs like you guys said since mon 2 is on the left and i did usually assign output 1 to that. I know for a fact it's not a POS, and that it supports 120Hz, hell my old 4870 can hit in excess of 140 fps in EVE. I'm betting that you have an issue with V-sync. Disable it, it's finicky in EVE at best. Force it via the driver panel if you absolutely must have it, but since you have 120Hz monitors, I really would just leave it disabled. Also, make sure you've downloaded and installed the 10.12 Catalyst drivers, as they add support for the 69*0 series (no previous drivers do). ---
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:04:00 - [8] Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 19/12/2010 03:05:14 I will never disable VSYNC on a tft, thats tearing city. Though read my edit for update. The Nvidia didnt seem to care which client outputted to which screen. The AMD does. That being said, im at full graphics with 8xAA and sitting at a fairly constant 60fps with the odd loading freeze, it seems i just have to pay attention to which output i assign to which screen.
xavier69 Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:09:00 - [9] Edited by: xavier69 on 19/12/2010 03:11:01 I Run 4890 1GB on 37 inch Vizio in 1080P no Stutters here, i think other parts of you pc are borked, TRY CLEAN INSTALL Going from NVIDA TO ATI Drivers Conflicts will abound even after uninstalling properly My pc Q9650 OC to 3.6GHZ 8GB DDR2 4890 1GB 2x 160GB Intel SSD [RAID 0] 500GB SATA Storage HD XOXOXOXO
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:13:00 - [10] Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 19/12/2010 03:13:35 Originally by: xavier69 I Run 4890 1GB on 37 inch Vizio in 1080P no Stutters here, i think other parts of you pc are borked, TRY CLEAN INSTALL Going from NVIDA TO ATI Drivers Conflicts will abound even after uninstalling properly My pc Q9650 OC to 3.6GHZ 8GB DDR2 4890 1GB 2x 160GB SSD [RAID 0] 500GB SATA Storage HD This is a new install of windows on a 3 drive wide RAID 0. And its 2 1080p screens so you cant compare it to a singe 1080p screen of any size. The 120hz thing is more of an issue in other much older games and was only really an issue when i didnt know about the issues with chosing correct output for particular screen. Since choosing the correct screen for correlating output i can say that im super impressed with EVE performance, even though the unrelated 120hz grumble in other much older games (that i probably shouldnt even be playing any more lol)still remain :)

Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:18:00 - [11] Edited by: Grez on 19/12/2010 03:23:04 Originally by: luvs2sp00j I will never disable VSYNC on a tft, thats tearing city. Though read my edit for update. The Nvidia didnt seem to care which client outputted to which screen. The AMD does. That being said, im at full graphics with 8xAA (which represents a massive improvement over the 285 since that couldnt have any AA and retain 60fps) and sitting at a fairly constant 60fps with the odd loading freeze, it seems i just have to pay attention to which output i assign to which screen. The reason you're at 60 FPS is due to the fact that card cannot output at 120 FPS to match your monitors refresh rate, so it drops the frame output to 60, which has the side effect of updating the frame once every two refreshes - this might be the 'stutter' you are referring to. This is a technical issue with how V-SYNC works, and you will need to disable it to get rid of the issue. All graphics cards have this issue. I'm not sure if you selecting the right output for the monitors has fixed this though (has it?). No 120Hz in other games is a problem with the game detecting 120Hz support from your monitors EDID, not with the card (pretty much EVERY graphics card on the market can easily output at 120Hz, this 4870 can do 200Hz for example). Download Catalyst 10.12's, go into "My VGA/DVI Displays" and make sure EDID is ticked for both monitors, you can also check "Desktop Management" and "Desktop Properties" to make sure you're not suffering from an incredibly annoying Windows 7 bug which won't correctly set the right refresh rate (59Hz instead of 60Hz, and 119Hz instead of 120Hz). ---
Sharon Anne	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:25:00 - [12] Disable ATI AI don't leave it on.
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:25:00 - [13] Nah, you are over complicating the stuttering issue. Since i used output 1 to screen 1 and output 2 to screen 2 there is no stutter. The lack of 120hz is more to do with window mode and the fact that the catalyst drivers dont support 120hz on both screens at the moment, even in windows. That said, the nvidia did perform better with 120hz in much older games like Halo PC (which i play too much of lol), while this card doesnt give halo 720p@120hz as a default mode and command line arguments wont deliver it either. It might work if i dual boot to windows XP but thats really not a discussion for this forum. So to stop the defensiveness, the card is not a POS (i was just raging), the drives could use some work for other games/windows for dual screen 120hz support, but eve is working as well as can be expected, thanks!
Xyfu Minmatar Applied Mechanics	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Xyfu on 19/12/2010 03:41:38 Thanks for answering my question, I can now tell you what's wrong, why, and how to fix it. Kill yourself. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in.
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 03:49:00 - [15] Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 19/12/2010 03:50:15 Originally by: Xyfu Edited by: Xyfu on 19/12/2010 03:41:38 Thanks for answering my question, I can now tell you what's wrong, why, and how to fix it. Kill yourself. Well, your question was ****ed. Eat ** and die plox. We dont all need alt+f to see framerate, i said i was stuttering, only a newb would need a graph to confirm this...
Xyfu Minmatar Applied Mechanics	Posted - 2010.12.19 04:27:00 - [16] But it takes superhuman eyes to tell the pattern of stutter, so how about I kick your candy ass back to high school where you belong. If you're sawtoothing, it's a driver issue, you need to disable profiling for ExeFile.exe in the CCC, and set interval one ingame, as opposed to default. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in.
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 04:38:00 - [17] Interval one is the default setting. Interval default would have to be specifically seleceted. Im beginning to think you skipped a class or two. Either way, you obviously have nothing to input, kthnx.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2010.12.19 04:39:00 - [18] driver updates help i have a 3200 laptop card and run the game fine on my laptop. thats about 3 years old, and the low end at that
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.19 05:35:00 - [19] Originally by: luvs2sp00j Interval one is the default setting. Interval default would have to be specifically seleceted. Im beginning to think you skipped a class or two. Either way, you obviously have nothing to input, kthnx. Reading comprehension = zero? I marked the important part of the other post: Originally by: Xyfu But it takes superhuman eyes to tell the pattern of stutter, so how about I kick your candy ass back to high school where you belong. If you're sawtoothing, it's a driver issue, you need to disable profiling for ExeFile.exe in the CCC, and set interval one ingame, as opposed to default. No idea if he's right or if it solves your problem (you seem to jump the fence very fast anyway from your posts at the top of this page..) Just pointing. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.19 07:19:00 - [20] Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 19/12/2010 07:26:10 You wanna get a 5970. 4 clients, and not an issue to be found anywhere. Originally by: xavier69 I Run 4890 1GB on 37 inch Vizio in 1080P no Stutters here Look at you and your 37" ~~monitor~~ thing that shows a rough approximation to Eve, in a big way. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.

Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.19 07:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Xyfu Edited by: Xyfu on 19/12/2010 03:41:38 Thanks for answering my question, I can now tell you what's wrong, why, and how to fix it. Kill yourself. I think this post needs changed, brb, Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Opertone Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.19 07:29:00 - [22] Originally by: luvs2sp00j Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 18/12/2010 23:58:45 Hi all, just looking for some advice. Recently changed from a nvidia 285gtx to an amd 6970 with the intention of adding another amd to crossfire next year. While the fps is comparable, the 6970 seems to have a persistent stutter which makes the game unattractive. fya I play on 2 1080p monitors with 1 client on each. Im starting to think that i made a mistake but cannot bring myself to believe that the 6970 is no faster than a 2 year old card lol. Any amd fans have any advice? EDIT - system spec QX9650 @ 3.6ghz 4Gb @ 1066Mhz. This system played from 30fps to a 60fps, in fairness 60fps in most occasions with a 285gtx. The fps drop isnt really the main issue, its the horrid stutter, like an instantaneous frame pause then resumption. format your drive... start fresh, the operating system needs a wipe out it was true when i swapped video cards, Nvidia and ATI, Nvidia to another Nvidia. the OS needs to be 'refreshed'
luvs2sp00j	Posted - 2010.12.19 13:08:00 - [23] Edited by: luvs2sp00j on 19/12/2010 13:09:54 Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: luvs2sp00j Interval one is the default setting. Interval default would have to be specifically seleceted. Im beginning to think you skipped a class or two. Either way, you obviously have nothing to input, kthnx. Reading comprehension = zero? I marked the important part of the other post: Originally by: Xyfu But it takes superhuman eyes to tell the pattern of stutter, so how about I kick your candy ass back to high school where you belong. If you're sawtoothing, it's a driver issue, you need to disable profiling for ExeFile.exe in the CCC, and set interval one ingame, as opposed to default. No idea if he's right or if it solves your problem (you seem to jump the fence very fast anyway from your posts at the top of this page..) Just pointing. I dont know where you get off questioning others comprehension. Profiles are off by default, interval one is selected by default. So if you dont even comprehend the issue as set out why even bother trying to question others comprehension simply because they dont address every single part of a pointless post? Originally by: Opertone format your drive... start fresh, the operating system needs a wipe out it was true when i swapped video cards, Nvidia and ATI, Nvidia to another Nvidia. the OS needs to be 'refreshed' Its a fresh install on 3 brand new drives in RAID 0. Anyway, like i said. The best suggestion seems to be to make sure that the proper output goes to the proper monitor.

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alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.12.20 02:29:00 - [25] yes you made a mistake... ati lol... driver fail.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.20 03:38:00 - [26] Originally by: alittlebirdy yes you made a mistake... ati lol... driver fail. Sorry, what? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Captain Campion Corp 1 Allstars Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.12.20 08:56:00 - [27] Set Interval Immediate http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1434771 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1427363 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1434575
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2010.12.20 12:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 20/12/2010 12:29:08 Ok, sorry for the confusion. I posed with a mates account as i had just got his api to plan some skills for him while hes on holiday and decided to stick with it. But im the same guy as was posting on luvs. The problem im having, which doesnt seem to be effected by interval immediate, is that say i have both my toons logged in. One on each screen in fixed window mode. I will get 60fps on both screens but for some unknown reason there are random periods where it will go down to 30fps on both screens. Theres nothing going on, didnt open a window, in fact i just formatted again and all my windows are in default places. So for this reason im ruling out weak graphics card since if it can do 60fps and then drops to 30fps when nothing at all happens on screen then its some other issue. It doesnt matter how long im in station, it just fluctuates between 60fps/30fps seemingly randomly but far too often. Setting interval to immediate seems to make the top end fps a little higher (even though its supposed to be VSYNC) but in no was effects the 5-20 second spells at 30fps. When i get fraps installed i can post a video showing this bizarre behaviour. During this fps drop my CPU sits at 12%, which is the same as it is when im getting 60fps. So im assuming driver problems since the card is less than a week from release, or bad optimisation of eve. But any other input that isnt just the business as usual 'comprehension fail' trolling would be welcome.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.20 13:56:00 - [29] Already said this, but update to the 10.12a drivers. http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst1012ahotfix.aspx AMD Catalyst driver 10.12a Hotfix Feature: AMD Catalyst driver support for systems running Windows« 7 / Windows Vista« with an AMD RadeonÖ HD 69xx series graphics card installed Includes support for 5x1 AMD Eyefinity display configurations ---
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2010.12.20 14:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Grimpak on 20/12/2010 14:10:44 Originally by: Jane Griffin Edited by: Jane Griffin on 20/12/2010 12:29:08 Ok, sorry for the confusion. I posed with a mates account as i had just got his api to plan some skills for him while hes on holiday and decided to stick with it. But im the same guy as was posting on luvs. The problem im having, which doesnt seem to be effected by interval immediate, is that say i have both my toons logged in. One on each screen in fixed window mode. I will get 60fps on both screens but for some unknown reason there are random periods where it will go down to 30fps on both screens. Theres nothing going on, didnt open a window, in fact i just formatted again and all my windows are in default places. So for this reason im ruling out weak graphics card since if it can do 60fps and then drops to 30fps when nothing at all happens on screen then its some other issue. It doesnt matter how long im in station, it just fluctuates between 60fps/30fps seemingly randomly but far too often. Setting interval to immediate seems to make the top end fps a little higher (even though its supposed to be VSYNC) but in no was effects the 5-20 second spells at 30fps. When i get fraps installed i can post a video showing this bizarre behaviour. During this fps drop my CPU sits at 12%, which is the same as it is when im getting 60fps. So im assuming driver problems since the card is less than a week from release, or bad optimisation of eve. But any other input that isnt just the business as usual 'comprehension fail' trolling would be welcome. a bit of clarification about Vsync. if I'm not wrong, unlike when you have vsync off, you don't get a steady drop of fps at an arbitrary value. what happens is that if fps drop below a certain threshold, they drop to 30fps (or lower, afaik), thus you don't get 40 fps or 38 fps or 51fps when you have Vsync on on a 60hz screen. It's pretty much a limitation of vsync, and yes, it might be a driver problem. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.



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