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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.17 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 17/01/2005 10:24:02
Last night a large Ushra'Khan fleet gathered and proceeded to a location within the Great Wildlands on a diplomatic mission to the Thukker Tribe.
There we met with envoy's from the Thukker Tribe, after a warm welcome, we asked them to pass on the following message to their tribal council.
"To the High Council of the Thukker Tribe,
You are the last free tribe of our peoples. Nomads, as our ancestors were, answering to no man or power, wandering free. We have come to you, to ask you for your help. We, the Ushra'Khan, fight to free our people from slavery. We do what we can to help these people, but, our resources are limited and we are finding it increasingly difficult to return our people to Republic space.
We have come to ask you if you could take a portion of these freed people under your wings and help them. Many say you have turned your back on the Matari people, but we know this not to be so. You fought the rebellion side by side with the other tribes. You know the suffering of our people, for you have suffered the same yourselves. Although you now wander free, we know you have not forgotten that you are Matari, or forgotten that countless millions of our people still suffer under the cruel oppression of slavery.
We await your reply brethren,
The Ushra'Khan."
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2005.01.18 01:05:00 -
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My thanks for that information Khaldorn.
I'm a simple pilot - many would say overly simple - who was passing through the area last night when I saw the Ushra'Khan fleet pass soon after a member of ISD went through the area.
That certainly stirred my interest, not only because your destination I once considered my home, but I have connections with a few people who I more than owe favours too who are sympathetic to your cause.
As a Caldari, you have to remember to look at what your friends friends may require when you accept a favour.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.18 01:28:00 -
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Khaldorn your efforts for your people are commendable but completely misguided. They have a home and a purpose in Amarr in service of God. Once again you have shown your myth of freedom fails to truly provide for your race.
The SPCS (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves) stands ready to help all lost Matari find their true home in Amarr. I urge all who consider the future of their families and selves to call the SPCS for free transport to an Amarrian Center for Slave Reeducation.
A slave is a terrible thing to waste.
Archbishop
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.01.18 03:53:00 -
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Hopefully the Thukker Tribe will accept your invitation and try to be brought into the fold of the Minmatar Republic. And hopefully this will bring about the civilization of the wild frontier.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.18 09:22:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan hold no such ideas on bringing the Thukker Tribe into the fold of the Republic.
They roam space, nomads like our people of old, the last true free tribe of our people. And forever may they remain so.
We are asking them to help a small proportion of the people we have freed. They may not be part of the Republic, but they are Matari, and their people need them.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.01.18 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Maggot on 18/01/2005 17:18:42
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.01.18 17:34:00 -
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What you must understand my dear Shira is that these minmatar calling themselves the Ushra'Khan are no more loyal to their republic than you are to the Amarran Empire. But while your threat is limited to long winded speaches railing against the Amarran way of life, theirs is a much more ah dangerous crime. They commit treason against their republic, either through their support of the seccesionest state the PRM in the past or through their actions against the Amarr Empire... which are in no way condoned by Midular's republic.
So of course they turn to the one minmatar force left that does not wish to have anything to do with the Republic. Because since they *know* they are right, and the republic says they arent... the Republic must have gone over to the Amarran side of the conflict. Which of course is ludicrious to any sane citizen of any empire... but who said Terrorists were sane?
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Posted - 2005.01.18 21:35:00 -
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+++ Transmission from the Tempest class Battleship:
+++ "FMS Mission possible"
+++ location: Great Wildlands/Thukker Base
opening channel to alliance fleet operation control...ready
to: admirality
cc: wingleaders
subject: gaven loki
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Sir's, the first who pod this insignificnt example of a
slaver get a nice box of 24 bottles alcoholic contraband from me personally.
we must not allow them to put their dirty pale nose into
our businesses and get away with it.
respectfully,
cpt. zoolkhan
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W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.01.19 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Shira d'Radonis on 19/01/2005 04:10:25
 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
What you must understand my dear Shira is that these minmatar calling themselves the Ushra'Khan are no more loyal to their republic than you are to the Amarran Empire.
I am not disloyal to the Amarr Empire, Gaven. I only have no loyalty to your partisans... a difference of ideologies. I am still a patriot, and I still support our Emperor. You call me a heretic, but I do the same thing that every other Amarrian does every time they pray: I petition. I petition to God... I petition to the Emperor. But you and your kind claim to know things you have not the power to know. You claim to do God's will when what you really do is your own. You may be doing it on his behalf, and you may believe that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are placing yourselves on the same level as God by trying to pass off your own decisions as His.
By the way, how was the killing of CONCORD pilots tonight?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2005.01.19 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
What you must understand my dear Shira is that these minmatar calling themselves the Ushra'Khan are no more loyal to their republic ... treason against their republic ... which are in no way condoned by Midular's republic ...
Oh. So you recognize the Republic, then?
And it isn't "Midular's Republic," tho living in blind service to a blinder Emperor might make it hard for you to conceive of such a thing. If it has become thus, it must be changed. If it will not change, it will simply be supplanted.
But no one expects slavers to be logical  .
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.01.19 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Harlequin
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
What you must understand my dear Shira is that these minmatar calling themselves the Ushra'Khan are no more loyal to their republic ... treason against their republic ... which are in no way condoned by Midular's republic ...
Oh. So you recognize the Republic, then?
And it isn't "Midular's Republic," tho living in blind service to a blinder Emperor might make it hard for you to conceive of such a thing. If it has become thus, it must be changed. If it will not change, it will simply be supplanted.
But no one expects slavers to be logical .
Please do not hold the Emperor responsible for their foolishness.
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Chieftain Einnar Aeboul
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
"To the High Council of the Thukker Tribe,
You are the last free tribe of our peoples. Nomads, as our ancestors were, answering to no man or power, wandering free. We have come to you, to ask you for your help. We, the Ushra'Khan, fight to free our people from slavery. We do what we can to help these people, but, our resources are limited and we are finding it increasingly difficult to return our people to Republic space.
We have come to ask you if you could take a portion of these freed people under your wings and help them. Many say you have turned your back on the Matari people, but we know this not to be so. You fought the rebellion side by side with the other tribes. You know the suffering of our people, for you have suffered the same yourselves. Although you now wander free, we know you have not forgotten that you are Matari, or forgotten that countless millions of our people still suffer under the cruel oppression of slavery.
We await your reply brethren,
The Ushra'Khan."
Allow me to begin by thanking you and yours for the kind words, Mr. Murino. We are honored that an esteemed association such as the Ushra'Khan views us with such positivity.
While we certainly do sympathize with the plight of our people, and recognize the terrible trials faced by so many of them every day, the Thukker tribe has, regretfully, long since ceased exerting our energies towards the wholly insurmountable task of complete Matari liberation. We are simply too few and too scattered. Additionally, with the volatility our region has faced since the breaking of the Curse Alliance, we have had to remain constantly abreast of the political situation in order to best determine our reaction should potential conflicts arise. Our tribe's survival must come first.
That said, as a gesture of diplomatic good will towards the Ushra'Khan, and to show our respect for the noble work you do, we may be willing to take on a few of your slaves. Though the life of a Thukker is not one of leisure, we can at least offer them a taste of the air breathed by free men.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.19 20:06:00 -
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Chieftain Einnar Aeboul,
Thank you for your reply, and for your offer of help. We informed all the peoples freed from slavery we currently have under our care about your kind offer, we have informed them that the life of the Thukker is not one for the faint hearted and they should be aware of what trials they may face, the hard work they would have to undertake, but that they would finally be able to breath the air of freedom
40,000 of the people have replied for this offer, which gladdens our hearts, even through the immense trials that slavery has placed before these people, they do not shirk from a hard life. Our people are proud, and they grasp the chance to work towards their own future amongst their own kin.
How many of these people do you think you could take under your wing elder? We would be able to provide food, clothing and other provisions for these people to enable them not to be too much of a burden to you for their first few months in the Thukker tribe.
We understand that your tribe faces many perils in the current times. The Ushra'Khan is indebetted for any help you can provide our people, we will not forget the honourable actions of the Thukkers this day. Should you require assistance in future endeavours, we would be glad to repay our debt to your tribe.
Yours gratefully,
The Ushra'Khan.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Heero Yuy on 21/01/2005 12:45:42
Originally by: Chieftain Einnar Aeboul
Though the life of a Thukker is not one of leisure, we can at least offer them a taste of the air breathed by free men.
Chieftain Aeboul, our people are used to a life without leisure, but the taste of free air is a dream that most would gladly die for. Each day our numbers grow larger as our people unite in the hope to achieve this dream for the whole race.
I, and the families freed by me, look forward to your response to my brother in arms.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.21 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: AsheRaven on 21/01/2005 13:30:55
Chieftain Aeboul, it warms my heart to see you offer support to those less fortunate than yourselves, as your Tribe have supported my clan in times of need. Your Tribe is indeed most honourable, and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
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Abolishonist
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Posted - 2005.01.21 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Abolishonist on 21/01/2005 17:03:10
This is great news.
We can free slaves , but can't offer them much in the way of a home.
You have lots of space but you are not in the business of freeing slaves.
Seems like people can be free and your ranks be bolstered all at once. Not the least that we are very happy to see the people who have lived like refugees for months now be given a home.
Cheers for Captain Murino and Cheers for Chieftain Aeboul
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 20:04:00 -
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Sounds kind of optimistic to suppose that when the Thukke say "a few" they mean 40,000, or more. If they do, however, definitely let Gradient know; despite all we have done we still have more people to help to new homes that we can really afford.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.21 21:46:00 -
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We live in something Gradient does not my dear
Hope
You live in the present. Seperatly they are flimsy goals, togather they bring great wisdom. Let us not drop one for the other.
The Thukker will take what they can, and that is all we can ask of them
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 21/01/2005 22:10:36
Raven, we in Gradient have freed slaves in numbers compared to which the 40,000 mentioned above is small. We are continually looking for helping them into new lives. We have offered money and equipment in support of the anti-slavery work of others.
And when we do this, and I try to join in common talks about how to make better the lives of the former slaves in our care, reminding that the Thukker might not be able to care for thousands, let alone hundreds of thousands, especially in the situation they are currently in, you Ravens come to us talking about how we do not have hope and preaching about how the work should be done.
It feels crazy that at the same time when some of the Ushra'Khan are very reasonably talking to us about common goals and burying the hatchet, some of them are continuing putting us down and smearing us in the public, without any effort to understand or co-operate.
Yes, I do have hope, Raven, and more so than you do, for I have not turned away from our nation in bitterness and started a mindless (if noble) fight, but I am working and building and keeping watch in patience. The time will come. I believe in this, I have hope in this - real hope, not idle wishes.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:40:00 -
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You and I have had various agreements in the past, and it pains me to see that the numbers game was indeed mentioned. You have no idea how many we have freed. Our 40,000 slaves numbers a suggested number for the Thukker to consider, not a final estimate, which, to be frank, are none of your business.
I respect Gradients efforts, but do not presume to judge my personal motives for leaving the Republic. I stand by it's people, I do not stand by it's current government.
My orginal point was to ask you not to comment for the Thukker, we would rather await a response from them. My hope lies in action, not words. Patience is long past, espescially where we have an Emperor who claims slavery wil not end in his life time. In that case, my intention is to make that life time short (consider he is supposed to live at least six time longer than the average Amarrian).
This is not about how many we free, it is about freedom as a whole.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:52:00 -
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Quote:
My orginal point was to ask you not to comment for the Thukker, we would rather await a response from them.
And my point was that they had already answered, saying "a few", before this talk of tens of thousands of people came up.
I fly in Thukker space often, and currently the situation in the area is such that I felt that maybe this enthusiasm (or "hope", as you put it) to expect so much of them when they replied originally so cautiously is not very, let's say, polite.
So I did not mean to speak for them... in fact I was trying to say the same thing as you: let's wait and hear what the Thukker's "a few" means before making plans of taking hundreds of thousands of refugees into their war-ridden space.
No reason to start preaching to me of hope, really.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:56:00 -
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Then please, kindly do not preach to me of motive
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 23:09:00 -
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Where did I preach to you about your motives? The only thing above that I can see even remotely touching your motives is my "start a mindless (if noble) fight", and there I use the word "noble", which can hardly be considered a bad one to use about anyone's motives.
I am sorry if I offended. I did not mean to. I respect your pain and I understand your thinking, even when I do not agree with it.
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Chieftain Einnar Aeboul
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Posted - 2005.01.24 14:41:00 -
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Mr. Murino,
After much deliberation, the Thukker Tribe Council has decided that our resources at this time will allow us to take in all 40,000 of these people, feed them, clothe them and house them - provided that you are willing and able to give them transport to our facilities. We are currently in the midst of a large-scale undertaking, one which I cannot go into greater detail about here, but one which will give these downtrodden souls an opportunity to fashion new lives for themselves among their own people, undertaking meaningful work in the pursuit of new horizons.
Please contact me via personal mail to discuss the logistics of the matter. The Tribe awaits your response.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.24 15:00:00 -
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They are being fed directly into a war machine.
How sad.....44,000 lives....from slavery to frontline cannon fodder. What a sad end to lives that had purpose.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.01.24 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
They are being fed directly into a war machine.
How sad.....44,000 lives....from slavery to frontline cannon fodder. What a sad end to lives that had purpose.
If there is a God and he has a sense of humour. You people appear to be the butt of his latest Cosmic Joke.
The "purpose" you instill is them is simply to avoid pain and death at the point of a viral spear.
You call it purpose. Lift that pious veil from your eyes and you may just find everyone else calls it coercion.
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Posted - 2005.01.25 04:55:00 -
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Honoured Chieftain Einnar Aeboul,
On behalf of the Ushra'Khan, and all under it's care, I extend the warmest of thanks to you, and to all of the Thukker Tribe for this most generous of gestures. You have given hope to many thousands that there are is still a Minmatar sovereignty that welcomes the return of free kinfolk with open arms, not border patrols and fines.
Over the coming weeks, we will arrange transports to bring our brethren to where they are welcome. May the light of Matar guide you on safe paths always, my brother.
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.01.25 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
They are being fed directly into a war machine.
How sad.....44,000 lives....from slavery to frontline cannon fodder. What a sad end to lives that had purpose.
War machine? The Thukkers have done nothing to your people, nor have they even attempted it. And you say we are delivering them to the front line by taking them to our Thukker bretheren? Many former slaves take up the fight against the Amarr and if these wish to, then they can return to us. For now, we are only concerned about removing them from the front line. Unless you can back up your statements with something substantial, then watch what you say.
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Posted - 2005.01.26 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chieftain Einnar Aeboul
We are currently in the midst of a large-scale undertaking, one which I cannot go into greater detail about here, but one which will give these downtrodden souls an opportunity to fashion new lives for themselves among their own people, undertaking meaningful work in the pursuit of new horizons.
and you dare say they are not being fed into a war machine, their lands are war ridden over a political dispute, and if I am not mistaken, a "true free" tribe should not care for the politics of a certain area, if the politics are about too turn ugly without the tribe having a reason for engaging in war, why not just roam too a new place, new grounds.
That would lead me too believe that the "true free" tribe of the Thukkers are neither true nor free. They are like a regular establishment bound by political situations and concerns.
J4m Z, painfully logical.
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Posted - 2005.01.26 00:38:00 -
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And then off course it is so entertaining too see how two people working for a common cause can argue so much over galnet. It more then lightly amuses me too see how you dogs cannot even unite under the banners off your crusade and that is why your cause is doomed.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.01.26 02:10:00 -
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Then of course we can look at the size of CVA compared to the number of active Amarr pilots, or even to Ushra'Khan, and reach the same conclusion about the Amarr's ability to unite under the banner of their own crusade.
Please feel free to come to your point in your own time.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.26 03:09:00 -
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Clearly these 40,000+ "refugees" are being groomed for battle. We see thru this Minmatar smokescreen and see the true purpose. They are seeking to recruit the Tribe to join their terrorist cause!
Well you will not succeed!
Amarr is strong and be it 10,000 Minmatar or 10,000,000 we shall not fail in our quest to enlighten the heathen masses.
Archbishop
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.26 03:38:00 -
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Quote:
We are currently in the midst of a large-scale undertaking, one which I cannot go into greater detail about here, but one which will give these downtrodden souls an opportunity to fashion new lives for themselves among their own people, undertaking meaningful work in the pursuit of new horizons.
This is precisely what I was speaking of.
You know me, I do not argue any point with my enemy that involves my faith or the sanctity of our cause. I know better to debate those points, as there are mamy memory cores full of the pointless banter that results.
I will always speak academically and I can say to you, Matari, that you have chosen the path these man and women will take. You have decided thier fates with finality that parallels that of the slaver. Only slavers don't tend to outright KILL 50% of them in the process of aquisition.
How deeply did you put your trust in this tribe before the actions of your government made you turn to them for help? Convenience makes for strange bedfellows.
I stand before you with a mirror. What can you possibly be seeing?
Freedom. This is your rallying cry. This is what you call your justification for mass murder of both our peoples. This is what you scream at your own people's chosen government as you defy thier decisions.
You no longer offer freedom. You are, and I quote, "Simple harvesters of personnel for military operations". That is what a friend of mine, an unabashed slave runner, liked to refer to himself as.
Who are you?
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.26 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
I will always speak academically and I can say to you, Matari, that you have chosen the path these man and women will take. You have decided thier fates with finality that parallels that of the slaver. Only slavers don't tend to outright KILL 50% of them in the process of aquisition.
That is a lie and I would have thought better from you.
We chose no path. I did not see my comrades die and my people suffer just so that they could be ordered what to do by us. These 40,000 people are only a proportion under the care of us and like minded people who care for those we have freed. They were told what they would be getting into, and they know the risks and responsibilities involved.
They volunteered Amarrian.
You have fought us so much, yet you know us so little. It shocks you that people would rather choose and fight for their own destiny under their own freedom that have a life of safe servitude brought upon them by you.
They are Matari.
And that is a word you still have no comprehension of. I pity you Amarrians, I pity you.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.26 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Clearly these 40,000+ "refugees" are being groomed for battle. We see thru this Minmatar smokescreen and see the true purpose. They are seeking to recruit the Tribe to join their terrorist cause!
Well you will not succeed!
Amarr is strong and be it 10,000 Minmatar or 10,000,000 we shall not fail in our quest to enlighten the heathen masses.
Archbishop
I wonder if these outbursts of yours are broadcast across the comedy networks?
"There all terrorists i tell you! Every one of them! Arggh"
The madness of your so called holy men CVA only strengthens my opnion of you as mere mercenaries, doing will as they see fit and using the 'Empire' as a conveient scapegoat.
How much blood of innocents have you all on your hands? Think on that.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.26 13:20:00 -
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Oh let the peons play.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.01.26 13:28:00 -
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You like using that word dont you Amarrian. Do you call us that when we burn your ships?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.01.26 13:43:00 -
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Has someone given you access to our comms channels Minmatar 
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.01.26 19:29:00 -
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J4m Z and Graelyn, how do you garner your oppinion that:
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We are currently in the midst of a large-scale undertaking, one which I cannot go into greater detail about here, but one which will give these downtrodden souls an opportunity to fashion new lives for themselves among their own people, undertaking meaningful work in the pursuit of new horizons.
...mean they are working towards a war situation? Just because the Great Wildlands are in a Civil War state at the moment, doesn't mean that our Thukker bretheren are working towards a war situation. If war is the only thing you can think about, then I guess any statement like that can look like they are after a fight. Just goes to show how war-like the Amarr truely are.
How about this? Maybe they are building settlements on new prospect planets, or better refining stations amongs the valuable ores of the systems of the Great Wildlands. Better social infrastructure can go a long way towards shaping a better life for newly-freed slaves as well you know.
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Freedom. This is your rallying cry. This is what you call your justification for mass murder of both our peoples. This is what you scream at your own people's chosen government as you defy thier decisions.
No more than your peoples rallying cry of 'enlightenment' being used as a sole justification for the mass-oppression of those with a different value system than yours. Your race has so much fear of others that you must enslave everything in sight, lest it challenge your beliefs raising questions within your social structure. This is how societies are formed. Including your society many millenia ago. Who am I? You should also ask that question of yourself sometime. But go ahead, call me a heathen as your own pace. Your oppinion of me and my people mean little.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.27 01:37:00 -
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Fear is the basis of all religions, Darius, do not forget this.
The Amarr fear
And the Amarr fear that they can't control. They cannot control us, they certainly cannot control the Thukker.
Let them fear
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.27 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 27/01/2005 10:50:10
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I believe time shall show me right.
40,000 individuals, without a coin to thier names, with thier clothes thier only propery, with not but manual labor skills.....I wonder how they will be 'employed' in the interests of Tribe Thukker, a faction who is on the front lines of a losing war?
If you believe yourselves incapable of such a thing, then you underestimate the cunning and tenacity that the Matari posess. Even you know of the outrages your own commit upon your own. After all, how long did it take for the Republic to begin enforcing it's own anti-slavery laws? How many of the slaves I hold came from Matari owners?
I, of course, could be wrong. If it is not as frontline soldier and grunt work under fire, then what is your theory? What are Thukker up to? I am sure that there are many in the Wildlands who are seeking the answer to that. There must be some idea or rumor that has been heard.
If you would have us not believe the obvious, then give us something else.
Until then, your cries ring hollow.
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Posted - 2005.01.27 11:17:00 -
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Since when are the Thukkers at war? They are nomads, they travel where they want. GW is just the region they currently travel around the most.
These people have been informed to what they face. They have volunteered. They choose their own path Amarrian.
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Posted - 2005.01.27 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Since when are the Thukkers at war? They are nomads, they travel where they want. GW is just the region they currently travel around the most.
Travelers in warzones often get shot to pieces. That's a fact .
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Posted - 2005.01.27 11:36:00 -
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Travellers in empire often get shot to pieces. Life is not safe in EVE.
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Posted - 2005.01.27 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Travellers in empire often get shot to pieces. Life is not safe in EVE.
You're very proficient in missing the point 
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Posted - 2005.01.27 13:52:00 -
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I am but a simple warrior. Such things often elude me
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Posted - 2005.01.27 22:05:00 -
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Since when are the Thukkers at war? They are nomads, they travel where they want. GW is just the region they currently travel around the most.
I see you have finally lost it.
Go, go support your pirate friends, I'll get to them when I have the time.
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Posted - 2005.01.27 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
40,000 individuals, without a coin to thier names, with thier clothes thier only propery, with not but manual labor skills.....I wonder how they will be 'employed' in the interests of Tribe Thukker, a faction who is on the front lines of a losing war?
How exactly do you think that 40,000 individuals -- "with their clothes their only property, with naught but manual labor skills," many of them children and some elderly -- can possibly be a part of *any* war effort? They have no experience as pilots, as navigators, as gunners, as mechanics, as electronics or computer techs. These people would be a liability in war, not an asset.
Furthermore, the Thukker tribe is not specifically *in* a war. True there is *a* war in the region of space their ships occupy, but when hasn't this been true? We Matari know that there is no peace, no safety, no freedom anywhere except for where *we* can temporarily wrest it from the universe. These clans have graciously offered to share their safety and their freedom with their less fortunate fellows. I can only commend them for that.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 00:30:00 -
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I assure you, Matari with no skills or posessions contribute a GREAT deal to our war effort.
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If you would have us not believe the obvious, then give us something else.
I see you cannot come up with anything. I had hoped you would dream up something to make your arguement look less weak and contrived.
The Ushra'Khan has villified the Amarr to such an extent, that in thier world, ANY fate other than slavery is superior, and any means used to free them considered acceptable.
I have seen your handiwork. I flew through Kehour once, shortly after one of your 'freeing' raids. I had to keep from gagging as I saw slave bodies bounce off the hull of my cruiser as we looked for survivors. The victorous pilot made his usual decrees over the local comms, claiming victory for saving a fraction of the slaves he had just put to death.....*trails off*
*eyes focus suddenly*
You must be stopped.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 01:31:00 -
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Suddenly yoy care for the well being of slaves.
These are people, People who should live free or die free. They must not be allowed to endure a life of bondage either way.
I mourn for the death of every bretheren who dies in a freedom raid. But they will not line the profit or the btterment of some greedy slaver's pocket or ill wishes ever again, that brings me great comfort.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 03:54:00 -
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Suddenly!?!?
Ask your own people what I do for my sla.......
**freezes midsentence. Transmission is quickly cut off**
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Posted - 2005.01.28 09:16:00 -
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I seem to be not getting through to you Amarrian, which does not surprise me, your race being extremely closed minded to any view but thier own.
They knew what the risks where, and these people volunteered.
Please read that scentence again and tell me what you do not understand about it.
It seems alien to you that people might want to be free and unsafe as opposed to safe and in servitude. I pity you, I really do.
Do not presume to know my people, many of your kind take such a liberty. You know us not. We are proud noble people, and we would rather work hard and take chances and LIVE rather than live a life of safe servitude just so you may boost your ego's in thinking because you treat these people you call 'your slaves' well. And we shall not mention the devices you ensue to keep that order.
People like you sicken me Amarrian, you make yourselves feel better under the guise that you treat the people you enslave well.
That is pathetic.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 28/01/2005 10:47:19
You say they are volunteers?
And I suppose Thukker is still a 'peaceful nomadic Tribe', eh?
I hear your words quite clearly.
I simply think they are lies.
Cope.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hera Ludheilen on 28/01/2005 11:55:45
Peacefull? Who is peacefull?
Yes not all the thukkers are peacefull nomads.
We have few laws among our people and still we manage to get along.
Maybe sometimes an industrial is shot down and the cargo stolen.
Maybe sometimes a rich gallente trader or a caldari industrial makes a short drop in his profit.
So i'm not ashamed of that. We take what we need when we have the opportunity to it.
We are free for the most part. And the only laws i bow to are those of friendship and brotherhood among my kinsmen.
But you Graelyn want to compare an invading nation of scriptblinded murderers and slavers. Taking by force an entire nation into captivity and slavery, slaughtering an entire tribe when they stand up against it, to some nomads that will board some industrial ships in order to survive for some time more in a hostile place like the Great Wildlands?
I have nothing else to add.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.28 11:26:00 -
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Then I've made some progress......
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Posted - 2005.01.28 11:28:00 -
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boy.. youve got to love these strong matari women
Strong, proud and beautiful in opposition to
pale, weak and arrogant..
v.Adm. ZoolKhan; U'K Council member.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 12:27:00 -
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So what if they are to be battle fodder...
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Posted - 2005.01.28 13:59:00 -
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War machine?
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Just because the Great Wildlands are in a Civil War state at the moment, doesn't mean that our Thukker bretheren are working towards a war situation.
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Since when are the Thukkers at war? They are nomads, they travel where they want. GW is just the region they currently travel around the most.
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So what if they are to be battle fodder...
Winning a debate with a Minmitaar is simple: Keep them talking.
Not that I'm complaining. Watching your logic collapse has done wonders to pass the evening on a slow patrol day. Are you availible for parties and social events?
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Posted - 2005.01.28 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 28/01/2005 14:35:45
Would you like me to bring up all the differences and discussions between the various Amarrians on this channel?
Do they all speak in one voice, all together? Ahh no, of course not.
Really, your scraping the bottom of the barrel now Amarrian.
What logic do you use for all Minmatar to speak for us? I would like to see it.
Now begone with you Amarrian, your conspiracy theories tire us all. It seems that without our freedom fighters giving you a regular new clone, your mind has grown weak.
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Posted - 2005.01.28 14:52:00 -
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Hmm....I believe I mistook that one fellow for one of your rabble....
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Posted - 2005.01.28 15:25:00 -
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No amount of care and so called kindness can take the cruel reality away that they are in bondage. They are your pets, chained to your will and odd little treats.
Humans humilated to please.
A slave is a slave as a pet is a pet, no matter how well treated.
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Posted - 2005.01.30 04:18:00 -
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*just lightly shakes his head and mhhs*
Age old discussion still brews over these matters. Yet, I can't really see any sanity on a persons mind that claims for anything but slavery being preferable.
You are talking afterall maybe hundreds or thousands lives of people, even in 'worst' case the barbarian minimatar kinds.
We amarrians do not enslave, we shed the light of truth and word of God into the pathetical heathen lives of the uncounted number of filthy rabble occupying the space beyond holy Amarr. Do you think it is easy to rid the filthy barbarian minds away from they decadent traditions and evil ways? No! This takes years and in many cases hundreds if not thousands years of work, showing yourself to be worthy of owing a solid place within the holy Empire. Delusional madmen yelling, now we want freedom, we want this and that. We are not intrested of these decadent cries and maddening babbling about rights and drivel which makes no sense. Only Empire with a moral backbon is holy Amarr alone, even among our ranks it is shown over time, not by deception and lies as how far people have moved towards what holy scriptures represent.
As what comes to slaves, well you need to be a stern master and make sure your property gives you a fair harvest. I personally prefer keeping most girls chained up as breeding stocks until theyre quite definately ready to be ready waiting to give a birth to new ranks of workers and hopefully slightly less barbarian ranks. Afterall heathen ways and the weight of sin is washed away by good hard work and penancy from false ways of your forefathers.
It is rare slaveowner whom really tortures or teases they slaves, that is completely foolish as an idea. They are afterall your property and we do deal with our properties along the path shown by the scriptures.
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Posted - 2005.01.30 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Gandry on 30/01/2005 06:33:20
Originally by: Lyzra
We amarrians do not enslave
Well, put your ISK where your mouth is and free all slaves then or shut up.
Originally by: Lyzra
We shed the light of truth and word of God into the pathetical heathen lives of the uncounted number of filthy rabble occupying the space beyond holy Amarr.
Care to specify that? Whom do you call filthy rabble precisely.
Only rabble I seen sofar are the Amarr hiding behind the toiletpaper they call a holy book but that's written with blood and bound by bones.
Your the barbarians you seek to claim victory over yourselves.
YOU are the heathens that follow a false God and proclaim a false prophet and call him Emperor, with the sole intention to have a puppet up there that will act as a front for your inhumanity.
Your own failure to ban the barbaristic ways from your lives and religion is the one chokepoint which you dare not attack. For attacking it and evaluation it as it is will show you the monsters you fear most.
The kind that looks back at you in your mirrors.
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Posted - 2005.01.30 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lyzra
*snip*
Delusional Amarrians are even funnier then religious ones [:]
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Posted - 2005.01.30 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Makkar
Then of course we can look at the size of CVA compared to the number of active Amarr pilots, or even to Ushra'Khan, and reach the same conclusion about the Amarr's ability to unite under the banner of their own crusade.
Please feel free to come to your point in your own time.
but look at the number off amarr pilots that have the same goals as us, arguing with our members over the Neo-Com...
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Posted - 2005.01.30 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: J4m Z
but look at the number off amarr pilots that have the same goals as us, arguing with our members over the Neo-Com...
...And then later that day fly side by side in your battlefleets, shedding blood for each other as brothers? You're right, there aren't that many Amarr that are prepared to do that.
No, I'm afraid you still fail to make a point.
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Posted - 2005.03.07 16:08:00 -
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Chieftain Einnar Aeboul,
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The Ushra'Khan have sent an envoy to the region to personally deliver our thanks for your kind offer. The preperations are now fully underway with specially rigged transport ships being constructed in our shipyards.
The task ahead is monumental as we coordinate the logistics of moving so many people and are currently petitioning the Republic Parliament to remove their slave status thus that we may move unhindered by Republic Customs Patrols.
Our resources are limited but everyone in the alliance whom we can spare is being made availible to complete this task. We hope this is the beginning of increasing relations and regonition between our people and those who reside in the Great Wildlands.
We await your reply from the encoded communication we sent.
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