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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.12.20 05:24:00 -
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Am I the only one who finds myself philosophically wondering WTF is up with these? The only way to explain why we follow them is that, "because they're social norms," which is redundant.
An explanation for those wondering what the hell I'm on about;
The word **** is considered a dirty word. If you're at a dinner table with some rich relatives, it's probably not very polite to say the word ****.
But why is this?
The word **** is only considered a dirty word in the first place because someone turned it into a "dirty" word. Someone decided that a short and to the point way of saying "penetrate" should turn into a swear word. A word is a word; why is it that some words have this derogatory swear status?
Or, something else, is sex in television/movies. We can shoot as many zombies in the face as we want, decapitate vampires, blow **** up, torture people, but as soon as someone pulls their stuff out... Instant X rating!
Even something else, is holding cutlery while eating. It sounds ridiculously stupid, but really, when you think about it, why does it matter how you curl your fingers around your fork?
I don't know... Just some stuff that came to my head. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.12.20 05:34:00 -
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That'S not social norms, it's cultural norms mostly. The sex vs. violence thing is totally different in Germany for example. Same with cutlery, in other countries it would be considered impolite not to eat with your fingers.
Why we follow them? Because most people are brought up like that, it's just the stupid things people do to maintain some sort of "cultural identity", i.e. to feel at home with people doing the same thing (and uneasy with people who don't). These norms have to go away in a modern world, they'd better teach us values that have deeper roots, i.e. helping other people etc. ...
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Atomos Darksun
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.20 05:38:00 -
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You know what grinds my gears?
"How's it going?"
No one ever answers truthfully. Ever. I'd very much like to honestly respond to somebodies question, but 75% of the time this question is asked is when you're talking to somebody for about 7 seconds.
Makes me want to rage.
The sex/violence dealy can be explained through Christianity (Islam is the same way, but meh, but we're talking about the Western world). Constant preaching of virginity/abstinenceuntilmarriage/marriage/marriage/marriage etc for 1600 years has this sort of effect.
While I think that trend is changing, the real roadblock is the media's objectification of women and the things contributing/deriving to/from that.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.20 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun You know what grinds my gears?
AAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHH _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.12.20 06:44:00 -
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Welcome to nihilism.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.12.20 20:05:00 -
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Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.12.20 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
That wasn't my point. The point was, why are these words considered to be swear words? What makes them different from any other word in the English language? Why is "****" more dirty than "poo?" -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.12.21 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Caleidascope Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
That wasn't my point. The point was, why are these words considered to be swear words? What makes them different from any other word in the English language? Why is "****" more dirty than "poo?"
Cultural stuff. Every generation has their own "special" words and phrases. One well known example is Rocking Roll, used to mean sex, now we just say sex.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.21 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Caleidascope Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
That wasn't my point. The point was, why are these words considered to be swear words? What makes them different from any other word in the English language? Why is "****" more dirty than "poo?"
Because outdated standards. The refusal to adapt the new ways of life. If anything the only constant is the emergant behvaiour of our socierty, but many people are resistant to new things and the old ways remain forced.
And CCP is part of the old, enforcing censorship on thier forums. And its not like having a lot of **** actually matter and hides anyhing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2010.12.21 10:27:00 -
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Perhaps people don't like to be reminded of copulation and excreting while they're eating ?
The whole 'sex is bad violence is lolz' thing is basically a religious thing. Supress sex, create guilt, win followers, release frustration with violence. Rinse and repeat. ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.12.21 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Caleidascope Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
That wasn't my point. The point was, why are these words considered to be swear words? What makes them different from any other word in the English language? Why is "****" more dirty than "poo?"
You go on and create your own swears, words that are dirty to you, might I suggest Justin Bieber, Bieber or just baby for short?
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.12.21 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre Perhaps people don't like to be reminded of copulation and excreting while they're eating ?
It's best when it's all done at the same time!
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.12.21 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre Perhaps people don't like to be reminded of copulation and excreting while they're eating ?
The whole 'sex is bad violence is lolz' thing is basically a religious thing. Supress sex, create guilt, win followers, release frustration with violence. Rinse and repeat.
In Christianity and other Abrahamic religions, yes. For a Hindu, however, the sex and violence outlooks are pretty much perfectly reversed. Kinda funny, culture.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.12.21 15:06:00 -
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My favourite hypocrisy in our society is the hullabaloo surrounding the "N-word". But ohoho, I don't want to get into that on such innocent virgin forums!
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.12.21 16:57:00 -
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Quote: Perhaps people don't like to be reminded of copulation and excreting while they're eating ?
Ok, dinner table was a stupid example....
Quote: You go on and create your own swears, words that are dirty to you, might I suggest Justin Bieber, Bieber or just baby for short?
-------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Possesive
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope Basically the constant use of F word, and swear words in general, means that you are not able to communicate your thoughts. People who have to deal with you and who can communicate their thoughts start to wonder. Are you stupid? Are you uneducated? All of the above?
More specifically. Is your vocabulary so small that you must use this one word in every sentence? You do not need to answer that, just think about it.
I used my five free days just to link you this from the most eloquent Stephen Fry, arguably one of the greatest speakers in the world.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:21:00 -
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Why do the majority follow social norms?
The majority follow social norms becasue social norms are the group of acceptable actions and reations that the majority has defined as the acceptable limits within their space, time, and tolerance.
Originally by: hired goon My favourite hypocrisy in our society is the hullabaloo surrounding the "N-word". But ohoho, I don't want to get into that on such innocent virgin forums!
Go to the middle of Harlem and see if you get an audiance for your dissertation. You may also be interested in this.
Slade
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.12.22 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Why do the majority follow social norms?
The majority follow social norms becasue social norms are the group of acceptable actions and reations that the majority has defined as the acceptable limits within their space, time, and tolerance.
Originally by: hired goon My favourite hypocrisy in our society is the hullabaloo surrounding the "N-word". But ohoho, I don't want to get into that on such innocent virgin forums!
Go to the middle of Harlem and see if you get an audiance for your dissertation. You may also be interested in this.
Slade
Link fail detected.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.22 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Link fail detected.
www.uni-bonn.de/~upp203/htm/transvoc05/******_ch1_Kennedy.pdf
Replace the stars with an N to the i to the gger.
Slade
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.12.22 07:57:00 -
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Speaking of norms I've never ever understood the American way of walking inside the house with your shoes on you have a porch so you leave the shoes there you don't run around my living room with those on '.' Or a Dutch way of putting your outdoors to open inward so you get all the mud inside your house when you open the door or leaving the leg list out so that water can seep in from under the door(s) maybe it was just bad construction and not a norm or at least I hope it was. Then again the Brits still haven't learned the joys of having selective 3xglass windows or proper insulation and wonder why they freeze their butts off during the winter time.
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