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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:48:00 -
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EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life.
With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?" (or if there are "priests", who are they?)
One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class.
And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view.
The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates).
How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
427
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:50:00 -
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They're called Guardian pilots. |

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:53:00 -
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Someone keeps dumping cans with bible quotes around my gates. Does that count...? |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:55:00 -
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Because no one care about religion when science reigns supreme. We get enough evangelical nutters in the real world. |

Alara IonStorm
2949
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:55:00 -
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What? There are no set careers in EVE. Guys from warrior tribes are traders, people from trading ancestry are soldiers and my background say Mercenary for what that is worth.
If you want to be a priest start preaching, not like they have magical powers or anything, it is a voice and an idea. That is what is great about EVE, your background means less then your goals.
No set classes in EVE. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:56:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:They're called Guardian pilots.
And scimi pilots.
brb |

Bloutok
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
6
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:57:00 -
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Religion is a way of live, a book that tell you what you can and cannot do. It is strict in the sense that you are in it or out. It is a way of forming groups that will feel that they belong.
It is a lot of other things but it is enough for my point.
Isn't Eve about having really big egos at the top of the piramid who will tell you how to live or else ? |

Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
37
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Holy **** where do I start with this one. WOW IS THAT WAY --->
Really.....I honestly dont think priests should be allowed to play MMO due to the large child populations that play them it leads to bad things with priests touching you in special places.
Jerry Sandusky called he wants his child **** returned.
Before you know it these WOW Refugees will be asking for a mission group finder so they dont have to actually talk to other players. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
163
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life
I have never heard anyone say they hope they could use EVE as a comparison for how RL develops. Usually it's that EVE is where people show their "true colors" or lets people be douches more easily.
As for priests in EVE...
Our Guardians who art in space, hallowed be thy vessel, thy energy come, thy remote repair be done, on armor that protects me. Give us today our daily repair. Forgive us our damages, as we also have damaged our enemies. And lead us not into structure, but deliver us from the loss of our ship.
Amen. |

Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
299
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:02:00 -
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There's this Space Therapist in Amarr local. That's your space priest right there. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |

Roki Romani
Rokirith Inc Genx 7
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:04:00 -
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From the article you linked, the clerical class is "is associated with the function of sovereignty".
There is an incredible amount of work that goes into leading a corporation or alliance. It is not particularly visible in most cases because it mostly happens in spreadsheets and email trails, but it's there. Even leading such a small corp as my own, I generally find I put more hours into this game while logged off than logged on.
Now if you want to see some real examples of EVE priests in action, then I recommend watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-lc-eX7A4o
In particular, pay attention to the last 3 speakers. These guys lead almost cult-like followings, and they ooze a a charisma that is tailored towards their specific target audiences. If you've been following the alliance tournament, you'll see some of these same people showing up in the pre-match discussions. They're active and visible, and have no shortage of people listening to their opinions. |

stoicfaux
1415
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:06:00 -
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Priests are for other people. Pod pilots are the gods. * Immortality. Check. * Meddling. Check. * Omniscience, aka local. Check. * Entire populations doing your bidding (PI, alliances, corps.) Check. * Wrath of God, aka Orbital Bombardment. Check. * Too busy doing Important Stuff to be Concerned About Little Timmy's Incurable Illness. Check.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
17
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:12:00 -
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Because its a game.
Lore wise Pod Pilots are in fact Gods at least in comparison to the civilian population. |

Roki Romani
Rokirith Inc Genx 7
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:15:00 -
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Syler Puuntai wrote:Lore wise Pod Pilots are in fact Gods at least in comparison to the civilian population. Well sure, they call themselves Gods.... But so did the Goa'uld! >:)
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Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
19
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:15:00 -
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There are no priests in EVE because we are all mostly to old for them.. If a game directed at skinny little choirboys came out, then you would see more priests rallied than if Jesus came back.
protestant or catholic only tells if u like your choirboy oral or anal btw!
Amen!
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Holy **** where do I start with this one. WOW IS THAT WAY --->
Really.....I honestly dont think priests should be allowed to play MMO due to the large child populations that play them it leads to bad things with priests touching you in special places.
Jerry Sandusky called he wants his child **** returned.
Before you know it these WOW Refugees will be asking for a mission group finder so they dont have to actually talk to other players.
You're an idiot. He's talking about in societal/sociological aspects, not an actual priest. Contract me your stuff and biomass. You do not meet the IQ level required for this game. |

Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
614
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 -
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this thread needs to go away, far away, like taken on an ark and crash landed into some rocks kinda far away The Like button is over there --> and up a lil bit. <3 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9047
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:20:00 -
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Every corp CEO, diplomat, spy, PR person and general shiptoaster fills the clerical function in EVE. There are more of them than of any of the other two classes, so I'm kind of wondering how you missed themGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Nex apparatu5
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
332
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:34:00 -
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12/10 |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
375
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:40:00 -
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Try reading the eve books... Amarr are mad for religion.
Now just create an Amarrian character and roleplay a God botherer. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2331
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:46:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? No chefs in EVE, either.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
756
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:47:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? No chefs in EVE, either.
Or butlers. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
782
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:51:00 -
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Well, in our current society who are "priests". Most priests are carryovers from an older generation and are slowly dying out.
Priests essentially are meant to be social guides on the path to proper social interaction between people and their environment. So, lets redefine your idea of "Priests" and lets call them Social Guides.
Social Guides are gonna be all over the place in EVE. They're your PVP teachers, your corporations CEO's right hand man who keeps his guys in check. They're the corp member that everyone goes to talk to when drama hits the wall, etc.
An official "priest" position is clearly a bit absurd from that vantage. But social examples are all over the place. They're just not always the good guys. :)
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:54:00 -
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Oh, OP you need to think more outside the box.
Eve is like medieval times, I agree...you have a warrior class and a producer class....I also agree.
However, the priest class exists in Eve. It is not religious because who needs relgion in a game. If Eve was real, then we would probably see it. However, it is a game.
The 'priest' class exists in Eve just not in a form you recognise. The 'priest' class are the builders of alliances. The diplomats, the making sure the Infrastructure is there for the alliance people. The warrior class may or may not do this much...but there ARE people out there that devote insane amount of time to this.
Yup...the priest class are the logistics people  |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:57:00 -
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IRL: There's a toon called PriestSJ (or something like that) that helps host Fly Reckless now. He's a man of the cloth in real life. And I'm an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church myself (performed two marriages IRL).
In-game: The Amarrian culture is full of spiritual types according to lore and background.
Oh, and I'm hoping and praying you don't mean a priest "class". If you do, go back to WoW. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
272
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:17:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:They're called Guardian pilots.
:Logi fist bump: |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
867
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:26:00 -
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I think I get the question.
The political meta game is the societal priest caste. Striking deals to avoid the warriors and an exchange of goods to keep the commoners busy. Unless its high/low sec. Then the game mechanics are the moral leadership in what can and cant be accomplished. There are similar actions to be bartered but not to the scale you are asking about.
It's not clearly defined in the game as it is player content. Not everything in EVE can be represented with spaceships. |

DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
68
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:31:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life. With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?"(or if there are "priests", who are they?) One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class. And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view. The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates). How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies?
They're called Shiptoasters in Eve. Serious answer. I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |

WAXER Hinken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:44:00 -
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what the f*ck? your OP is confusing is hell.
it seems to be predicated on a view of society that might have been prevelant prior to the 20th century. i'll sum things up for you: the priests and religion were proto-scientists. They asked and answered the quetions how did we get here, what are we doing, how do we do it, and why. Science and religion diverge with the introduction of the scientific method. One is grounded in the provable, the other in the currently unprovable, but both concern themselves with how the universe and existence work and how we can work within that framework. In EVE, the scientists (and i don't mean the character role) and priests, the "thinkers" as it were, are all around you. |

WAXER Hinken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:46:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:IRL: There's a toon called PriestSJ (or something like that) that helps host Fly Reckless now. He's a man of the cloth in real life. And I'm an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church myself (performed two marriages IRL).
In-game: The Amarrian culture is full of spiritual types according to lore and background.
Oh, and I'm hoping and praying you don't mean a priest "class". If you do, go back to WoW. you guys aren't the only reverends playing either! i know of at least one more for sure. |

Leela LaRue
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:08:00 -
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IGÇÖm imagining a development meeting, where CCP sat down and discussed putting religions in game and it went something like this.
Dev1 GÇô So, what should we add to the game? Is there anything we left out?
Dev2 - What about religion, I mean most societies have some type of religious character. If we want it to be as immersive as possible shouldnGÇÖt we have religions, and have priestly skills.
Dev1 GÇô Ok then, what skills would a priest have?
Dev3 GÇô Well, they talk a lot. They seem to talk about everything like theyGÇÖre authorities.
Dev 2 GÇô We already added skills for negotiation, diplomacy etc under trade? WouldnGÇÖt that cover it?
Dev 3 GÇô Most of them arenGÇÖt very diplomatic, theyGÇÖre mostly a, GÇÿmy way or the highwayGÇÖ bunch.
Dev 1 GÇô We canGÇÖt skill for talking out of youGÇÖre ass anyway, The Mittani would sue.
Dev 2 GÇô What about skilling them for inducing guilt in other players, they make me feel guilty for thinking about sex.
Dev 3 GÇô Oh yeah, I know this gay couple, and man, are the religious people all over them trying to get them to repent.
Dev 1 GÇô Come on guys, we canGÇÿt give them a skill that will make players feel guilty, how would that even work?
Dev 2 GÇô Well they like to talk about sex and marriage a lot, we couldGǪ
Dev 1 GÇô The characters donGÇÖt have sexGǪand I donGÇÖt see how listening to a bunch unmarried virgins or pedophiles helps in the real world, why would we add it here?
Dev 3 GÇô What about running soup kitchens and helping the poor, thatGÇÖs good?
Dev 1 GÇô No.
Dev 2 GÇô Collecting for religious charityGǪ
Dev 1 GÇô Jita scammers.
Dev 3 GÇô Peddling influence to politicians to get their way.
Dev 1 GÇô CSM
Dev 2 GÇô What about giving moral guidanceGǪsorry I canGÇÖt say that without laughing
Dev 1 GÇô So what youGÇÖre saying is that there isnGÇÖt a single thing that priests do in the real world that we could put into Eve to improve play, what a waste of time.
Dev 3 GÇô Yeah pretty much, but I think I might be an Atheist now.
The End
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
409
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:12:00 -
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If there were priests in the game, I would soon get into the habit of killing them. You want fries with that? |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
756
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:35:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If there were priests in the game, I would soon get into the habit of killing them.
I'd sacrifice them ALL to Cthulhu.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Jess Maine
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:45:00 -
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I think General Discussion needs to like, go.. Just, ejected into a pool of burning plasma. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1211
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:49:00 -
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OP, you should read up on the Amarr a bit.
There are plenty of priests. Just none of them would be us immortals, because why the heck would you want that type of life. |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
585
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:52:00 -
[36] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:James 315 wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? No chefs in EVE, either. Or butlers.
Plenty of scruffy looking nerf herders though.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

stoicfaux
1420
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:52:00 -
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It's actually an interesting question. What value do priest provide in the real world? Purpose, meaning, putting an anthropomorphic face on a cold uncaring universe, etc.?
If so, well, Eve is a game. Games are a form of escapism to avoid dealing with the unknowns and general harshness of the universe, so it's not like people log in to Eve expecting the game to provide meaning in their life. Plus, Eve is a sandbox. You don't need priests because in order to play a sandbox, you need a goal. If you have a goal, then you don't need a priest to tell you what your goals should be. Finally, repercussions. You can walk away from Eve. You can't walk away from the universe, hence you can't "walk away" from priests in real life.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ravan Hekki
Blue-Fire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:06:00 -
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I believe that the OP isn't talking game mechanics. (love how some players attribute priest to healer or character class).
The priesthood or shamans role in society is to teach that societies morals and tend to be the glue that keep it together.
If anything the priests of Eve are the traders. The Eve social model is based around hyper-capitalism. So naturally the traders, both in objects, favors or politics are our high priests.
In the meta game however we have a priesthood of various cults of personality. An example of this is that if you post something bad about mittens you get a deluge of goon related shenanigans. This is an act that is part of their social norm, indoctrinated by mittens. He is their priest, a guiding hand that molds the societies morals and taboos. Now i could go on to say the other things priests are sometimes know for ;) but that would be mean. Now lets look at the carebear priests, they are there and their moral codes define others around them, in different ways.
So lets face it the Heirophants and Priests of Eve are it's CEO's, Alliance leaders and those cults of personalities that we all are guilty of following.
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Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
101
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:23:00 -
[39] - Quote
Religion in EvE?
NEVER! No! Science is supreme here! |

Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
38
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:27:00 -
[40] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life. With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?"(or if there are "priests", who are they?) One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class. And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view. The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates). How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies?
Join the real world my friend - those of us who live in mainly secular countries (UK for me) do fine until the religious nuts are allowed to publicise their mental illness and screw our no-religious lives |

Karim alRashid
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.08.13 19:33:00 -
[41] - Quote
Jita local is full of priests.
That is, full of people, who do the same thing as priests IRL.  Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos |

Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
and i thought it was
a political class, a warrior class and a producing class.
but wait ... there you go, you just have to assume religion = politics and there is your solution
... but that can not be, after all religion is not about controlling people, its about faith so, disregard what i said |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
105
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:36:00 -
[43] - Quote
Just call the next expansion "Dungeons and Dragons" or just follow the signs and yellow brick road back to WOW  |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:46:00 -
[44] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life.
With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?" (or if there are "priests", who are they?)
Simple: Nobody needs them actually... |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:10:00 -
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There are no player classes. How can you have a priest class if there is no warrior class? This is a sandbox game, much like other sandbox games in many respects. Player classes are for progression themeparks, not sandboxes. If you want to call yourself a priest, you can. You can go to great measures to start a corp and appoint clergy among the ranks for whatever purpose. You can appoint warriors, rangers and any class you choose to rank among your members. Not unheard of, is/was often done in UO for instance, which too is a sandbox game. So... nope, not a themepark game. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
102
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:00:00 -
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There are people that fit the clerical class description of being guides to others on "morality".
James315 comes to mind, whether you agree with him or not, he provides in game moral guidance to some players. That is part of the clerical role.
And as other people have stated the politicians in the game fill some of the clerical role functions as well. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2089

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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:21:00 -
[47] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. This thread is about social structures in EVE Online formed by players and not about game mechanic aspects like a "healer class".
With close to 400.000 members in the New Eden Universe our population is bigger than the population of some real world countries (for example Iceland). As all the players are human beings (err, hopefully no aliens here!) it is quite legit and might be interesting to research the social structures forming and being existent in our universe here. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Alayna Le'line
15
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:32:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life. With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?"(or if there are "priests", who are they?) One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class. And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view. The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates). How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies?
We can, and many of us in real life do. The function of priests in life is to "guide" their disciples, the fact that there is a "sacred" association here is fairly irrelevant (imho).
In the end we all depend on other people for guidance in certain matters, religious people turn to the representatives of their religion (priests, monks, imams, ...). Non-religious people tend to turn to science for their answers, as such you could consider their professors, researchers etc as their "priests", as they are the people we look to for answers when we ourselves have none.
As such in EVE you could see alliance/corp leaders, veterans and such as "priests" as they provide guidance to those following or listening to them. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Because no one care about religion when science reigns supreme. We get enough evangelical nutters in the real world. I still fail to see how religion and science are even intersect. Unless we are dealing with overzealous folks of whatever sort.
OT: Corpus Popes anyone? Nah, just kidding. But really, roleplayers have enough of those, especially those RPing Amarr and Sani Sabik related people. If you ask why there is no natural need of those in EVE world... Well, probably because players tend to fulfil their culturar and spiritual needs IRL, that'll be my guess. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1838
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:36:00 -
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It's quite simple, actually.
About reality and stuff we see and live:
- Science tries to tell us the rational HOW (stuff happens, how is it made of etc). It's mostly matter and chemistry / physics based.
- Philosophy tries to tell us the rational WHY about stuff, it's mostly mind and think based (ofc we had ample expansions into economy, sociology etc).
- Religion tries to tell us the irrational WHY about stuff, it's mostly soul-spirit-faith based.
Unsurprisingly in the past Religion was possibly the first to have born. Humanity knew little, even a bolt would be some unknown worth seeking for an answer off a witch and similar.
From the above we see a branch: in history age we see the first philosophers, they try and put the unknown and the human mind into a more rational framework.
From the above we see a branch: in later history we see the first scientists, they try and put the unknown and the human *brain* into a more rational framework.
The more the time goes on the more we know about the unknown and our physical body. The less physical questions are left to philosophers and the less spiritual questions are left to "priests".
They are all 3 a pyramid of human values, what happens is that mankind are focusing more and more on the pure material life and putting their own kind in the place where once used to be gods. Basically RL is slowly drifting towards EvE.
In EvE we are so full of ourselves that there's no space left, neither for philosophers nor for "priests". Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
182
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:42:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:12/10
I have to agree with this, clerical as in clerk, throwing that priest word in was brilliant! a master troll
Quote: cler-+i-+cal/-êklerik+Öl/ Adjective:
(of a job or person) Concerned with or relating to work in an office, esp. routine tasks. Of or relating to the clergy.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
182
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:44:00 -
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but I guess since the 14th of August is clearly make **** up day every time you do a spread sheet you do the work of god! you good little priests! |

Sara XIII
Charante Industries Ascendance Industries
108
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:16:00 -
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There is no God but God and The_Mittani is his prophet.
I'm sure I read that somewhere..... Between Ignorance and Wisdom |

Haethorn
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:22:00 -
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Poe's Law |

Scott PiIgrim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:57:00 -
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I think the clerical class is the ninja class in eve, i belive the term metagaming is where they thrive the best. Reason for this is the apt consequenses if knowledge falls into the wrong hands. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
583
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:12:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life.
With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?" (or if there are "priests", who are they?)
I suspect we just found one.
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:43:00 -
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We have priests, they're called command ships. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1068
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:48:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:We have priests, they're called command ships.
Command Ships are more like Bards.
Logistics ships are the Priests.
But there are a fair few people who RP priests out there as well.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:56:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:We have priests, they're called command ships. Command Ships are more like Bards. Logistics ships are the Priests. But there are a fair few people who RP priests out there as well.
Was forgetting the Logistics.
Bards... only Bard I can think of was a rogue with cc buffs form Dragon Age. |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2349
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:33:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: But there are a fair few people who RP priests out there as well.
I've seen people RP'ing therapists and prostitutes, but no priests. 
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Barkaial Starfinder
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:17:00 -
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What do the Amarr religious believe btw? I never bothered to look into their mindless jabber. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
333
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:33:00 -
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well minmatar, we offered you priests.. as I recall you tried to reject em. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
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