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piercer
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Posted - 2005.01.17 17:22:00 -
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I've been wondering for a while now about which HAC (havy assualt cruiser) to go for.... i have narrowed my plans down to two race types:
Amarr (sacrilage)
Caldari (eagle)
Now i was wondering which has found to be best out of the two ships or if there is any better ones?
I will mainly be using it to NPC (0.0?) and sometimes do PvP and do it more and more when i get into it properly.
Any suggestions on setups as well.... i notice the setup thread it lacking setups for alot of HAC's
Thnx
Piercer
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Wired
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Posted - 2005.01.17 17:34:00 -
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Get an eagle first, if you dont like it i'll take it off your hands for a reduced price.
Read the ship descriptions, they should help you decide, if you like to sit 100km and snipe, get an eagle, if you're a piece of Amarr scum get the sacrilage, or if you recently got a raven dropped on your head get a Min/Gallente one.
I'm working on getting an eagle coz i've concentrated all my skills on Caldari ships (there aint one i cant fly (cept HAC atm)). You can set the eagle to get up close and personal but it depends if thats your flying style.
I've probably been no help but atleast i've done somethign while i make a 20jump trip.
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piercer
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Posted - 2005.01.18 07:08:00 -
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its been very helpful.
One of my dilemmas is that the eagle can deal armor dmg (hybrids) and do some dmg to shields (missiles) whereas the sacrilage can only do mostly shield (lasers) and some armor (missiles)
The cerebus(sp?) might be another one to consider maybe?
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Zanthiuse
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Posted - 2005.01.18 08:01:00 -
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Both the ships you are considering have a problem-Low damage. To put it simply, The sacri tanks really well and has low damage. The eagle has really long range and has low damage...Overall, i would recommend Amarr. Use the sacri for npcing because it tanks better than a battleship, and a zealot for pvp because it is the ultimate gank ship. It does things the gankageddon can't, but still has speed to save itself from other bs. There are several other topics on this on the first couple pages of the forum, read them too.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.01.18 11:50:00 -
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There is no way I would consider either of them low damage.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:17:00 -
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If you want to use it to NPC, it could be worth using the HAC that has the highest base resistance against the NPC you plan to fight.
So.. a Deimos sould work great against Guristas or Serpentis, Muninn or Vagabond against Bloods/Sanshas.
Of the two HAC you list, the Sacrilege is definitely best tank, so it would probably fare better against NPCs, if you want to go close. For PvP, the Eagle can be quite neat for sniping frigs/cruisers, but killing NPCs that way could take ages.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:23:00 -
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How can the sacrilege tank better than a BS?
I see it has the capacitor to run two med armor repairers II and hardeners, and its bonus will give a cool boost to all resistances, but i really cant see it tanking better than an apoc with 2 large armor reps and 2/3 hardeners (and it can keep it up forever just like sacrilege)
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Dred 'Morte
How can the sacrilege tank better than a BS?
I see it has the capacitor to run two med armor repairers II and hardeners, and its bonus will give a cool boost to all resistances, but i really cant see it tanking better than an apoc with 2 large armor reps and 2/3 hardeners (and it can keep it up forever just like sacrilege)
3 out of 4 of its BASE resistances are greater than 70%. Fit EM, kinetic and thermal hardeners on top of that and you get resistances of about 85-80-86-75. That is way more than you can get in any Apoc and consequently makes it one very tough ship. Also, the sacrilege has a small sig radius, so BS turrets have a much harder time hitting it when moving.
I don't know if it really tanks better than an Apoc, but it definitely comes very close.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:43:00 -
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It does not come close. Apoc with 4 Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes II, will have resistances 65% + across the board. Lets say it will receive 100% more damage than sacrilage.
But apoc will be able to repair 1200HP per 10seconds (with skills and normal large armor repairer)
Whereas sacrilege will be only able to repair 350HP per 10seconds (with skills and techII medium armor repairer)
If apoc uses named armor repairers (accomodations) he will tank at least 100% better than sacrilege. Not to mention apoc has more than 4 times armor HP than sacrilege.
No, sacrilege does not come close to apoc's tanking abilities.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
But apoc will be able to repair 1200HP per 10seconds (with skills and normal large armor repairer)
Whereas sacrilege will be only able to repair 350HP per 10seconds (with skills and techII medium armor repairer)
No, sacrilege does not come close to apoc's tanking abilities.
Large and Medium Reps have different activation cycles.
2 x Large tech I = 1200 every 15 seconds = 80hp/s.
2 x Medium tech II = 640 every 12 seconds = 53.3hp/s.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.01.18 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 18/01/2005 13:04:40
2 medium armor rep II with repair systems 5 do: 640 HP per 9s = 71 HP/s
2 L accommodation repairers with same skills do: 1440 HP per 11.25s = 128 HP/s
So it's a little bit more than half the HP repaired with about twice as good resistances. Since you are using 6 low slots for your Apoc tank, how about fitting a 1600mm plate in that low slot on the Sacrilege, giving it more than 4000 armor HP (which is effectively more than 6k armor HP on an Apoc because of higher resistances).
*edit*: Ah, looks like someone else was faster, whatever. 
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2005.01.18 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Rahl on 18/01/2005 13:28:02
Nice posts guys. The sac can tank as well if not better than an apoc, its been done. Sac v Apoc, 1 v 1, is a stalemate or should be... excluding energy drainers or ew of course 
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hatchette
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Posted - 2005.01.18 13:42:00 -
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I stand corrected, if sacrilege can run two medium armor repairers II and fire weapons without running out of cap.
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:58:00 -
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i use a L tech II shield booster on my eagle , and i can run it forever 
the L tech II shield booster gives 240hp/4sec
with cruiser lvl5 bonus included it increases to 300hp/4sec
next to that il put 2 EM hardeners ( named )
then my resistances are 80%vs thermal,70%vs kinetic,60%vs explosive,69% vs EM.
not bad for an HAC heh
only thing im worried about is an raven or gankaggedon in battle 
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
I stand corrected, if sacrilege can run two medium armor repairers II and fire weapons without running out of cap.
Easily, when setup right.
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