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Tao Zun
The Roaches
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:24:00 -
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Many of you may have heard that recently my corp and I have become the targets of a sansha loyalist war. And with that I called for many corps and alliances to begin in a joint operation to stomp out the loyalists. While rallying members to the cause and getting conformation from many corps and alliances are ready to defend us and our ideals, I was asked again if I would create and lead an alliance.
Now a choice was given to me again. And I will be honest with all of you. I have no idea what to do. I never intended for this to happen. I made Sansha Retaliation to stay away from the RP world. But now I am a victim of it. My main goal in this game is to have fun and provide enjoyment for my corpmates. Not to be brought down by the politics and drama that in fact make this game so unique. But as it stands I am also not the type of person that walks away when people ask something of me. So the argument stands as is; Do I create this alliance or not, and the conflicting sides of me stand as this:
I have the great opportunity to create an alliance with people of mutual goals, meet wonderful people, and have what most players dream of having. I could put together an alliance that is a dead to rights legit force. We could have an industry backing stretching from high sec and into wormholes with a synergy that's not so common. There is potential to change the view that high sec is for the carebear to scared to go anywhere else because we could teach eachother to defend whats ours. There is so much potential in with all this it makes it a hard choice.
While all that is true and opportunity is starring me in the face. I never wanted any of it. I want to just have fun with "muh bros", teach newbs how to pvp, and have a good time. The time it would take is not the amount I want to spend here. I had other plans. But how do I turn my back on my SR members? This type of thing just isn't as important to me as it is to others in the player community on both sides. To me its just a game where i can Pew Pew.
So from where I and my corp sit, we need to do one of two things.
Option 1: Make SR into and alliance and begin to hit this full force
Option 2: Disband and go back to how it was and let everyone go their separate ways.
I just don't know what to do so I'm letting all of you decide for me based off what i see here I will make my choice. I'm just too conflicted and would feel wrong if i just closed it all without asking you the players involved what you want to see.
*please excuse my fail spelling and poor grammar*
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Surius
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Surius on 23/12/2010 01:30:23
:Edit: Bumped the post button before I was actually ready.
I'm a no one here, more of a lurker than anything, but I see it as such. If you really want to avoid the rpers and their aspect you should prolly forgo an alliance of sorts and just run it out of channel like you have been. On the flip side nothing anoys an rper more than people who won't rp, use leetspeek, metagame terms, and the like. Anoying them can be quite fun.
Basically it's your choice. The channel is nice and a lot of things can be done via channel rather than via corp/alliance.
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Master Aaron
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:30:00 -
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Tao i think seeing as u started this sr u should be the one to take it forward to the next level and finish what uve started.
I and many others im sure believe that u can do it.
But my friend ultimately the choice is yours i just hope you make the right one.
many thanks Master Aaron
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deathforu
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:34:00 -
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ok as your bro and your friend. make the alliance and take it to these rp jerks. remember they started this! all we wanted to do was just join in the fun and make a room where those that don't want to rp but do incursions at the same time could come and meet. Were we allowed to do so. NO! they got all high and mighty and decided to hire people to do this cause they don't have the guts to do it themselves. even if they didn't hire anyone they still drew the line. i say form the alliance and i'll help you with it and lets show these people what pirates and pvp are all about. and to those that don't like this they can only do two things. SIT and SPIN
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crunchytwit
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:46:00 -
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Like i replyed to you in your mailing list post. form a alliance. though my corp will not join it. i think thay the war dec people are just a bunch of bullys. like all can jackers in high sec. thay do not have the guts to go to the sov's for people that can realy give them a fight.
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Geo095
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:49:00 -
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I think that it's your choice. If you were to make an alliance I would fight, a week ago Sansha Retaliation rallied 250 people for a fight and if you were to try to to this again, we could double this number. Whether or not we fight is your choice and if we fight we would win. If we don't fight, we can simply wash our hands of all of this. |
Dr Chicago
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:00:00 -
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Posting was mistake number one, never let your enemy know your weak in direction.
Be Proactive not reactive...
Enjoy the game.
DC
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Takor Itaka
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:02:00 -
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I agree it is your choice to start a alliance.But it is pretty week that someone thought dec'ing you for playing the game like its suppose to played. If you do start a alliance enjoy it and dont stress about it.Just sitt back and enjoy the game. |
Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Tao Zun
Many of you may have heard that recently my corp and I have become the targets of a sansha loyalist war. And with that I called for many corps and alliances to begin in a joint operation to stomp out the loyalists. While rallying members to the cause and getting conformation from many corps and alliances are ready to defend us and our ideals, I was asked again if I would create and lead an alliance.
Now a choice was given to me again. And I will be honest with all of you. I have no idea what to do. I never intended for this to happen. I made Sansha Retaliation to stay away from the RP world. But now I am a victim of it. My main goal in this game is to have fun and provide enjoyment for my corpmates. Not to be brought down by the politics and drama that in fact make this game so unique. But as it stands I am also not the type of person that walks away when people ask something of me. So the argument stands as is; Do I create this alliance or not, and the conflicting sides of me stand as this:
You're dogging on RP, but from what it sounds like, you RP too. You just don't take it as seriously. You named a corp "[insert storyline faction here] Retaliation." You joined PVE, RP-themed events. Now people on the opposite side of the RP conflict you choose to participate in are engaging in character-consistent fashion, within the game mechanics that you're playing. And somehow, they're the problem?
What is it with self-hating RPers? It's okay to RP a little. It's okay to RP a lot. It's okay not to RP ever. But if you RP, own up to it. Otherwise, you'll end up unhappily married, living a lie, and making self-hating lonely drives out to the truck stop on the weekends to meet the boys and roll up some elves. Own up to it and respect youself, sister, because you're an RPer, and that is beautiful* just the way it is.
*am too lazy to make text rainbow colored, but imagine it there in spirit.
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Muhkwau Ross
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:19:00 -
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I think if you have peopel around you tha know how to help run the alliance, then go for it. The biggest thing will be spies.
Fly Safe.
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Kari Trace
Caldari
Foyu Trading World
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:33:00 -
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Great leaders throughout history have never taken power by force, but have been forced into positions of power by others.
I've been popped by you when I was young in EVE, I've flown with you on the live events, my corpies have flown with your people; you keep a good people around you, and we are relative neighbors as far as I'm concerned.
I say sign up, stand up, form up and beat them into the ground. Never stop, never surrender, fight till we are in noob ships if that's what it takes. don't play the RPers game, play your game: PvP. You didn't start this fight; I believe you can end it. And the alliance that stands after that will be a strong one, forged by the fires of war and necessity.
I'd take a few hot drops for you..
KT
As a side note: you and I both don't like the politics, distribute the politics to other, trusted, members in a high level discussion making group. You lead the group, the next level down deals with the drama; just an idea.
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Alkaza Minin
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Posted - 2010.12.23 02:35:00 -
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Im just a lowly player, but i think the alliance should be made. I was there for one of the incursions, and if that force could be brought under the control of an alliance, the rp people, or anyone for that matter, wouldnt stand a chance. And think of what could be accomplished with an alliance of enomous size. The alliance could pretty much do anything and be beneficial to everyone who joined it, if it were to be made
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Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.12.23 03:47:00 -
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Do what you think will be fun for you.
If you think you might like the challenge of leading something larger and enjoy doing it, form the alliance.
However, it sounds like you dont really want to run an entire alliance and just want to hang out with your own corpies. If you dont want to do it, dont. Keep the channel open because it sounds like your having fun with that aspect and continue to do what you are currently.
My $0.02
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.23 03:53:00 -
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Option 3 Hire mercs
Option 4 Taunt role players in local until they cry and log off, which in eve is very easy to do. I have never seen a game where so many role players can get butt hurt and quit cause of how serious they take role playing.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Roslyn Arago
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Posted - 2010.12.23 04:36:00 -
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Tau, you got caught in bold-faced lies, and even CCP basically said you were full of crap. Give it a rest.
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JDeagle
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Posted - 2010.12.23 04:46:00 -
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Let the SR alliance be formed! Tao has created something that I could only imagine happen in eve. Players that have never met each other working together toward a common goal, having fun and experiencing an EVE that they were never introduced to.
As a strong carebear I support the idea of an alliance being formed. Its time to take the ball out of the RP court and put our game face on!
As carebears we are weak, but together our carebear stare defeats coldheart and his evil minions!
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Roslyn Arago
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Posted - 2010.12.23 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: JDeagle
Let the SR alliance be formed! Tao has created something that I could only imagine happen in eve. Players that have never met each other working together toward a common goal, having fun and experiencing an EVE that they were never introduced to.
Dude, it's called a CORP! They exist!
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Myxx
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.12.23 04:50:00 -
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hmmm.
this is interesting.
ill be in touch. soon (tm)
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
(and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:06:00 -
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You might want to try talking with the FCORD people ( Grideris is one of them I think? )
They're working on some kind of live events based alliance that might be the least drama-inducing path for you to work with.
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Hellz Hitman
Caldari
No-Mercy
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:15:00 -
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I war decc'd you because I wanted to Pew Pew :( I wanted to shoot kids, I found a way to do that to people that were game for it. You want to side against us, you want to take sides in PVE, then You run the risk of people taking sides against you. I play to have fun, I do not do heavy rp, But some rp is fun :)
Ya'll just need to chillax, I run a 2 man corp lol I don't see why we are such a threat ;) So in a few hours lets go and kill ****.
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Jamie Banks
Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:35:00 -
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A wardec in my EVE? Never...
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Konoch
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:41:00 -
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As someone who's roleplayed in a variety of settings across multiple MMO's and Paper and pencil RPGS i've found myself looking at this thread and smiling.
EVE's RP base is one of the most immersive and intensive there is hands down. No game i've experienced comes close. Corp chat for these organizations and in some cases alliance chat is pure RP. I wouldn't know about fleet comms i wasn't with CVA. These players can be somewhat elitist saying their way is the only way. Your position is not helped by the fact that CCP whipped RPer's into a frenzy with the latest Trailer nor the posts on IGS. To which i find far too many bastards willing to stand with sansha.
From the position of a Null Sec Capital pilot i say this: Firbolgs are armed and ready to deal with anyone who enters our home for any reason. This includes Rpers who aid the sansha or who go after them. We enforce NBSI with a passion. For your sake Tao Zun stay out of the Veil.
As an RP'er and as an observer i'd love to see you bring this alliance about. You're in a position to do what few people in eve can ever bring about. I've known two legends in my time. One of them runs Paxton Industries the other is my Current CEO. Paxton Federation was something i was there to see grow and evolve in my own time. I'd like to think looking back on it that he had no regrets when it was all over despite what CVA did. My CEO is probably not well known outside the NC community and possibly within it in some areas. But he has put us where we are now Northstar Cabal has a record and a purpose like few others. Few get the chance that stands before you. Fewer still have the balls to go for it. For your sake as a person and as a player of this game. Pull the damned trigger. The road will be long hard and challenging. But in the end worth it in ways you can not imagine yet.
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Boma Airaken
White Song
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2010.12.23 06:28:00 -
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There are already two anti-nation alliances out there. Just pick whichever one works best for you.
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Eve Truth
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Posted - 2010.12.23 08:21:00 -
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An alliance with a leader who has proven to be a liar and try and pretend to be working for CCP. Hmmmm
I see this one lasting. I hope your 1 billion alliance start up fee came from your pocket not others.
And I hope the flood gates open now you have decided to put this out on the general forums.
Let the FUN begin :-)
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Ninurta Shu
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Posted - 2010.12.23 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Eve Truth
An alliance with a leader who has proven to be a liar and try and pretend to be working for CCP. Hmmmm
I see this one lasting. I hope your 1 billion alliance start up fee came from your pocket not others.
And I hope the flood gates open now you have decided to put this out on the general forums.
Let the FUN begin :-)
Did I miss the part where he said he was getting a paycheck from CCP?
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Eve Truth
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Posted - 2010.12.23 08:55:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1435593
Best bit is the logs show him saying he is working with CCP and then shortly followed by a GM response saying that they not working with him.
Priceless
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Ninurta Shu
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Posted - 2010.12.23 08:59:00 -
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So...he mispoke about trying to work with CCP, and you some how want to go on a crusade about it? He never said he was working "FOR CCP" which you blatantly have said. Obcviously the "truth" doesn't actually matter...but thanks for your time.
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2010.12.23 09:40:00 -
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1. Learn to bear the consequences of your choices? You jumped into the pool of sand and you gathered a bunch of good kids and told everyone you are anti-Sansha. Now, really, don't cry when the anti-Sansha kids are telling you they are now anti-you. This isn't bullying, you brought it to yourself, really.
2. Saying you don't want RP is of the same nature of you saying you don't PVP and you want a PVE server. Won't happen in EVE. Accept it being part of the game, no matter how poor you are doing in it. And you cannot simply ignore the RPers. It's all part of the game.
3. Please, explain what this is. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear more details.
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[ 2010.12.21 16:58:52 ] Tao Zun > I believe that some are going to be dead soon
[ 2010.12.21 17:00:19 ] Tao Zun > Figured i would have a few more people spamming me than that
[ 2010.12.21 17:19:37 ] Tao Zun > Isnt my fault CCP is slow to respond to response mails
[ 2010.12.21 17:21:04 ] Tao Zun > ill just say those that were members before the new report will notice hints in the mail as opposed to the old op order for antem
[ 2010.12.21 17:22:19 ] Tao Zun > Clear comms
[ 2010.12.21 17:22:32 ] Tao Zun > Ill say a few obvious things
[ 2010.12.21 17:22:58 ] Tao Zun > 1. If youve been around since the begin or find someone who has youll see theres a bundle of hints to what will happen
[ 2010.12.21 17:23:27 ] Tao Zun > 2. Ill come out and say Im workin with CCP on this one
[ 2010.12.21 17:23:45 ] Tao Zun > 3. I said in the next couple days
[ 2010.12.21 17:26:06 ] Tao Zun > Syne isnt involved with this
[ 2010.12.21 17:26:16 ] Tao Zun > this isa TAo talked to CCP first about it
[ 2010.12.21 17:28:49 ] Tao Zun > **** me
[ 2010.12.21 17:29:16 ] Tao Zun > i just spilled my coffee
[ 2010.12.21 17:29:55 ] Tao Zun > white carpet + coffee = big ass stain
[ 2010.12.21 17:32:28 ] Tao Zun > Tao Siad :"How you doing" CCP Zymurgist he said "Howdy" then i said "lets make magic" and CCP said: "Ok"
[ 2010.12.21 17:32:52 ] Tao Zun > hope you guys dont explode from the rage of waiting for more
[ 2010.12.21 17:36:35 ] Tao Zun > heh you guys are cute
[ 2010.12.21 17:37:17 ] Tao Zun > "Tao you dont know ****" "Tao theres nothign going on" "The mail is a lie"
[ 2010.12.21 17:37:26 ] Tao Zun > yes there is plenty
[ 2010.12.21 17:37:57 ] Tao Zun > but ami gonna tell you until CCP and I figure it all out
[ 2010.12.21 17:37:59 ] Tao Zun > **** no
[ 2010.12.21 17:45:36 ] Tao Zun > So you want me to tell you everythign just because you want to know and then if it cant happen say thiers another emergeny DT or a fix for an update that conflicts and then it doesnt happen for you to all blame me
[ 2010.12.21 17:45:44 ] Tao Zun > no way am i gonna do that
[ 2010.12.21 17:46:19 ] Tao Zun > so take it as for waht it is and thats the last ill be talking about it till i hear more from CCP
4. Just for the record, you're not the only one who got wardecced.
5. Despite the odds between you and me, you should go ahead and start the alliance. Finish what you have started. Take up the position you have placed yourself in. People are waiting for their leader to step up. You, are, the perfect candidate. Best wishes to you and your new alliance.
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Cailais
Amarr
Random Pirate's
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Posted - 2010.12.23 10:04:00 -
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Well it's one of those butterfly effects isn't it? You can either dive on in or fly off and either way the future of EVE will change.
You could, potentially, form your alliance but delegate heavily only adjusting the alliances direction and goals occasionally. Heck you could even operate from the shadows, giving direction without holding the mantle of Alliance leader. Anything is possible.
Which ever choice you make will be good for EVE, so really there is no 'bad' option. If it were me, Id go for it and see how it rides out.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Eleionomae
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Posted - 2010.12.23 10:56:00 -
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It was inevitable that this would happen. They are small pirate corps who live in high sec. Not very intimidating. If you are in one of 100+ battleship fleet that form during live events you will just steamroler them for lots of lol. They may even drop nice loot.
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