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Ayolin Yaneer	Posted - 2010.12.23 19:39:00 - [1] If you really struggle with it, I've seen a fit where you can toss on Tachyon on a Navy Armageddon, plus 5 sentries. Would this ship be a better alternative to the Nightmare? Also considering if you're tracking disrupted by Blood Raiders or Sansha, you still got the superior drone damage on the Navy Armageddon.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.23 19:43:00 - [2] Originally by: Ayolin Yaneer If you really struggle with it, I've seen a fit where you can toss on Tachyon on a Navy Armageddon, plus 5 sentries. Would this ship be a better alternative to the Nightmare? Also considering if you're tracking disrupted by Blood Raiders or Sansha, you still got the superior drone damage on the Navy Armageddon. Best your gonna do without help, if you intend to survive your missions long enough to kill them I mean. [Armageddon Navy Issue, Mission Geddon] Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer Capacitor Power Relay II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Curator II x5 885 dps of pure EM damage.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.23 19:53:00 - [3] You have to slap on at least two fitting mods, or a mod and a rig to get it to fit. You will run into tracking issues and you will want at least one Omni in the mids to help the sentries track as well. As far as surviving you will also need a Cap Booster with 800's. No need to Perma the repper with the DPS you will be doing, but there will be streches where you will need several minutes of sustained tank. It wont tank as well as a Nightmare though and you simply will not be able to slap IMperials or Tach II's on there, modulated is your best bet. I say you are better of with Mega's and tracking/range mods, but it could work. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.23 19:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Kneebone You have to slap on at least two fitting mods, or a mod and a rig to get it to fit. You will run into tracking issues and you will want at least one Omni in the mids to help the sentries track as well. As far as surviving you will also need a Cap Booster with 800's. No need to Perma the repper with the DPS you will be doing, but there will be streches where you will need several minutes of sustained tank. It wont tank as well as a Nightmare though and you simply will not be able to slap IMperials or Tach II's on there, modulated is your best bet. I say you are better of with Mega's and tracking/range mods, but it could work. There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2010.12.23 19:59:00 - [5] I rather wonder what kind of Tachyon fit Navy Geddon the OP has in mind. The Geddon (Navy or standart) is rather good as a puls boat but significantly lacks PG to field 7x Tachyons without totally gimping its tank. Even then it does less DPS than the Nightmare which only needs to field 4 tachs AND offers a full tank with room for cap and/or gank mods. -------------------------------------------------- They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Terry Pratchett
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.23 20:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Kneebone You have to slap on at least two fitting mods, or a mod and a rig to get it to fit. You will run into tracking issues and you will want at least one Omni in the mids to help the sentries track as well. As far as surviving you will also need a Cap Booster with 800's. No need to Perma the repper with the DPS you will be doing, but there will be streches where you will need several minutes of sustained tank. It wont tank as well as a Nightmare though and you simply will not be able to slap IMperials or Tach II's on there, modulated is your best bet. I say you are better of with Mega's and tracking/range mods, but it could work. There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead. always kill the small stuff first for jsut that reason. If you have a stable net connection you will be fine. Perma PvE is overrated. I haven't flown a cap stable ship in over a year. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Altaica Amur Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.12.23 23:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Altaica Amur on 24/12/2010 00:01:33 Depends what you're doing really, for Sansha sanctums which I've been doing for a while a navy geddon can pump out more dps and since it costs 50-66% less then the nightmare it's a more viable ship to use in 0.0 where you can and will get ganked eventually. My fit was something like 7x t2 Tachs 1x probe launcher 4x cap recharger 1x shadow serp rep ( better rep would just drain my cap faster, not much benefit for the 60+ mil extra ) 2x hardener em/therm 3x heat sink 1x t2 reactor control 1x power diagnostic 1x sentry damage rig 1x ancillary current router 1x ionic field projector Manages over 1k dps with gardes and multi but your main combat range should be around 50km where you're at 850dps with curator 2s. You have a peak tank of around 275 dps but most of your tank is by killing stuff fast which this setup definitely does, 20 min ticks have reached 27 mil but I was steadily over 15 mil in spite of interruptions. Edit: Oh right, hidden benefits. Nice little things about the navy geddon over the normal one, more slots and fitting are obvious and don't matter against the nightmare but the additional drone bay is a godsend. That extra 50m3 gives you the leeway to have a flight of sentries and not worry about things getting under your tracking because you have a flight of lights to back you up. On top of that a flight of light ecm drones can be useful if something tackles you and their fleet is far enough out, nothing to count on but it's a chance at least.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.24 01:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Ayolin Yaneer ... Alternative? Yes. Better? No. Originally by: Altaica Amur ... This is really poor fit. I suggest you to play little bit with eft and you will be able to fit it properly.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.24 01:18:00 - [9] The above navy geddon fit is still subpar. Nightmare runs with 3-4 tracking enhancers/computers and doesn't suffer for it. I ****ed around with one in EFT a while back when a friend asked me for a pve fit, and I couldn't come up with one that could at least compete with a nightmare unless it was like sub-30km.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.24 01:28:00 - [10] Your pve navy geddon fit sucks. [Armageddon Navy Issue, PvE - Pulse] Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Curator II x5 That's 964 dps at 52km, 1148 at 17km without implants. Tank is light but more than enough for any lvl4 I've come across. Cap stable for about 10 minutes too, so mission should be long over before you need to worry about that. I tried to come up with a tachyon fit but it requires either 2x RCU's or 3x ACR's. End result is a pile of crap. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.24 05:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Sader Rykane There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead. just no, but keep trying and fit (ooooookay its a bit unpractical, shut up) [Armageddon Navy Issue, PVE-Tachys] True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor EM Hardener Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Auto Targeting System II Large Ancillary Current Router II Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Curator II x5
OhNoes1	Posted - 2010.12.24 05:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Sader Rykane There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead. just no ^
MoeJoe Green Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.12.24 06:00:00 - [13] Originally by: King Rothgar Your pve navy geddon fit sucks. [Armageddon Navy Issue, PvE - Pulse] Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Curator II x5 That's 964 dps at 52km, 1148 at 17km without implants. Tank is light but more than enough for any lvl4 I've come across. Cap stable for about 10 minutes too, so mission should be long over before you need to worry about that. I tried to come up with a tachyon fit but it requires either 2x RCU's or 3x ACR's. End result is a pile of crap. You say people make bad pve fits, then you come in a post a omni tanked fit?
Nanferr	Posted - 2010.12.24 06:24:00 - [14] [Armageddon Navy Issue, New Setup 1] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Power Diagnostic System II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith A-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Warden II x5 Hobgoblin II x10 373 em-thermal tank 1054+ gank 60km<
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.12.24 06:40:00 - [15] Originally by: MoeJoe Green You say people make bad pve fits, then you come in a post a omni tanked fit? Because changing out hardeners is fail . Also, I'd advise dropping an EANM for a TE or something. But carebears really love their over-tank so I folded and upped the tank a little. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.24 11:29:00 - [16] Originally by: MoeJoe Green Originally by: King Rothgar Your pve navy geddon fit sucks. [Armageddon Navy Issue, PvE - Pulse] Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Curator II x5 That's 964 dps at 52km, 1148 at 17km without implants. Tank is light but more than enough for any lvl4 I've come across. Cap stable for about 10 minutes too, so mission should be long over before you need to worry about that. I tried to come up with a tachyon fit but it requires either 2x RCU's or 3x ACR's. End result is a pile of crap. You say people make bad pve fits, then you come in a post a omni tanked fit? well u can use the mission specific hardeners of course. I have no eft EFT here by that fit is a good base I would completely throw out the cap reacharges and put one more tracking comp and cap booster with gun rigs for dmg and range. But from what I see here the geddon is not a tach boat it should have megapulses.
Altaica Amur Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.12.24 11:42:00 - [17] Quote: This is really poor fit. I suggest you to play little bit with eft and you will be able to fit it properly. This is a fail post as it lacks any reason why said fit is fail or alternative to proportedly fail fit. I've messed with it in EFT and have actually undocked and flown the ship, it preforms well whatever you might think. Quote: The above navy geddon fit is still subpar. Nightmare runs with 3-4 tracking enhancers/computers and doesn't suffer for it. I **ed around with one in EFT a while back when a friend asked me for a pve fit, and I couldn't come up with one that could at least compete with a nightmare unless it was like sub-30km. With a large number of TEs a nightmare will likly pull ahead preformance wise, though the utility of having unjammable/TD sentries should not be understated. Quote:** That's 964 dps at 52km, 1148 at 17km without implants. Tank is light but more than enough for any lvl4 I've come across. Cap stable for about 10 minutes too, so mission should be long over before you need to worry about that. I tried to come up with a tachyon fit but it requires either 2x RCU's or 3x ACR's. End result is a pile of crap.[/quotee] For missions that's nice but as stated my fit was designed for sanctums where you have more control over range and will likly prefer to not dump a few hundred mil in your lows. Depends what sort of PvE and budget the OP is looking for. All in all to fit with what the op requested, a tach navy geddon fit, I hope you're doing sanctums as doing missions with a tach fit would be a pain in the ass between fitting and tracking, the pulse fits recommended are better for that role.
Lyris Nairn Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.24 11:45:00 - [18] This thread has gone too long without someone complaining about ECM. ECM killed my family and kicked my dog.
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.12.24 12:10:00 - [19] The tracking bonus is huge on the nightmare, I'd say more so than 5x sentries. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.24 12:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Altaica Amur ... It was late for me and i dont really want to play with eft at 3am. And if you think your fit performs well, then you would be surprised what properly fit navy geddon can do. Or nightmare... Cba to argue about this atm, but been there, done that. Spend some time efting and testing your fit and you will realize.

Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Lyris Nairn This thread has gone too long without someone complaining about ECM. ECM killed my family and kicked my dog. Get an Irish Wolfhound, and no one will ever kick your dog again.
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:37:00 - [22] What happens if the question is "best fit" vs "optimal fit?". Taking into account and time to complete missions? Completing a mission in 10min vs 11min at a cost of 300M isk for some of those mods doesn't seem optimal. KB Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:52:00 - [23] Here is a lol fit for a tachy geddon. (EFT gives me 811 DPS including T1 Heavy Drones) [Armageddon Navy Issue, Tachyons !?!?] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L 'Ballista' Tachyon Beam Laser I, Multifrequency L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Praetor I x5 What? ... it all fits.
Zahira Wrath Amarr Dominion Strategic	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Zahira Wrath Here is a lol fit for a tachy geddon. (EFT gives me 811 DPS including T1 Heavy Drones) Here is another one I dreamed up in EFT: (930 DPS with T2 Heavy Drones!) [Armageddon Navy Issue, Tachyons OMGWTF SETUP] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Republic Fleet Large Shield Booster Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Praetor II x5 All I have to say though is ....
Altaica Amur Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.12.24 18:24:00 - [25] Quote: It was late for me and i dont really want to play with eft at 3am. And if you think your fit performs well, then you would be surprised what properly fit navy geddon can do. Or nightmare... Cba to argue about this atm, but been there, done that. Spend some time efting and testing your fit and you will realize. Empty statements ftw, you still haven't proven anything just said this and that fit is fail my fit is infinitly better but I won't show it because of some lame excuse about the hour. If it's so late that you can't bring the slightest bit of evidence or at least explain your case beyond 'you're bad I'm better' then don't post until you wake up in the morning. For a relatively inexpensive faction BS doing Sansha sanctums my fit will preform well, I've yet to see a fit here that improves the preformance and maintains a relatively low price point.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.25 03:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Sader Rykane There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead. just no, but keep trying and fit (ooooookay its a bit unpractical, shut up) [Armageddon Navy Issue, PVE-Tachys] True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor EM Hardener Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Auto Targeting System II Large Ancillary Current Router II Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Curator II x5 **** tank, runs on cap boosters, T2 router rig and a sentry control range of only 53 km with two omnis so you might as well just use Garde II's? Why was my fit bad again?
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.25 03:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Kneebone Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Kneebone You have to slap on at least two fitting mods, or a mod and a rig to get it to fit. You will run into tracking issues and you will want at least one Omni in the mids to help the sentries track as well. As far as surviving you will also need a Cap Booster with 800's. No need to Perma the repper with the DPS you will be doing, but there will be streches where you will need several minutes of sustained tank. It wont tank as well as a Nightmare though and you simply will not be able to slap IMperials or Tach II's on there, modulated is your best bet. I say you are better of with Mega's and tracking/range mods, but it could work. There's always a reason to permarun your repper, because if your net cuts out while you're untanked and scrammed. You're as good as dead. always kill the small stuff first for jsut that reason. If you have a stable net connection you will be fine. Perma PvE is overrated. I haven't flown a cap stable ship in over a year. My internet connection is 99.9% perfect, however I those 1 or 2 times that I did DC with my cap stable tank I didn't really care because I knew it was impossible to die. However if I run the glass cannons you people run then I would have lost at least 1 mission ship by now. Losing even ONE mission ship is unacceptable, especially if said mission ship is worth at least over 400 mil after mods.
MoeJoe Green Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.12.25 05:46:00 - [28] Originally by: King Rothgar Originally by: MoeJoe Green You say people make bad pve fits, then you come in a post a omni tanked fit? Because changing out hardeners is fail . Also, I'd advise dropping an EANM for a TE or something. But carebears really love their over-tank so I folded and upped the tank a little. K, how about you just use hardeners instead? your DCUII plus 3x multi million isk faction omni tank modules: 323 dps tank versus sansha 3x T2 Hardeners, 370 dps tank. use that extra low slot for a cap relay to make it stable, a tracking enhancer or whatever. So, using 5 seconds to load a preset fitting with the right hardeners and drones. for that extra drone dps, better tracking, cap stability. is fail right... That won't actually improve your mission completetion time, won't actually make you have less clicks for your isk. Nah, it's fail.
Saile Litestrider	Posted - 2010.12.25 06:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Sader Rykane Why was my fit bad again? Well, you could start with your own criteria. Your Mega Pulse Lasers will get even less range than sentries without an augmentor, while the tachyons can easily reach out and touch people at longer ranges than the ship itself can target. There's also the fact that you get somewhere along the lines of 300 less dps within that range than his fit does. DPS is what lets ships with a "**** tank" work, and work well. Not to mention, it's really not a stretch to see replacing that auto targeter with a link augmentor.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.25 08:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Saile Litestrider Originally by: Sader Rykane Why was my fit bad again? Well, you could start with your own criteria. Your Mega Pulse Lasers will get even less range than sentries without an augmentor, while the tachyons can easily reach out and touch people at longer ranges than the ship itself can target. There's also the fact that you get somewhere along the lines of 300 less dps within that range than his fit does. DPS is what lets ships with a "**** tank" work, and work well. Not to mention, it's really not a stretch to see replacing that auto targeter with a link augmentor. And as stated before, one disconnect and that glass cannons nothing more than an expensive wreck. I don't plan my fits for a "perfect world" scenario, and finishing a mission 5 minutes faster is hardly worth the trouble of running a ship that will last only 3-4 minutes with cap boosters firing non stop and a 362 dps tank as its best possible resist.



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