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Ayolin Yaneer
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Posted - 2010.12.24 07:05:00 -
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Or more importantly, where do you get the experience to be a FC? Following orders is swell and all, however it's a thankless job, and feels kind of underwhelming.
Being a grunt is not really the end career I want to end up with in Eve. The largest problem I see is Eve does not give you a lot of options to learn from trial and error. Especially with a position as prestigious as FC.
Not only is it your own ship, but the ship of those listening under you that you're responsible for. Is it much like any buisness where you just slug it out for 15 years, pay your dues, and eventually when your boss retires, you move up?
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OhNoes1
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Posted - 2010.12.24 07:15:00 -
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FC of what? Your answer makes a big difference. 
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Sillas Cov
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.24 07:21:00 -
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If you are serious... then take this advice:
Go to Red Vs Blue.
Form fleets and just go into action as an FC. Play smart, and learn from all your mistakes...
Fly T1 ships and just do not worry about the small stuff...Keep a tight fleet with good scouting and avoid being a drama queen around looses.
I Started My Fc Career there and had a blast. I racked up 1400 kills and FCed about 200 - 300 battles. I learned a Few things about Fcing and had considerable success. and alot of fun.
My fleets started out with only 10 or less pilots and maxed out in 30 vs 30 BShip brawls..
Seriously dont over complicate this advice.. RvB has open ended opportunities for Pvp if you are willing to put the time into and they are always short on FCs there.
Onward
Sillas
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Ayolin Yaneer
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Posted - 2010.12.24 07:26:00 -
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Thank you Sillas. That is a wealth of valueable information. I appreciate it :)
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Syllein
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Posted - 2010.12.24 08:11:00 -
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Sillas gives good advice there. Really it's just a case of doing it and trying not to mess up too often (or too badly)
If you are already in a corp with good FC's don't be afraid to put your name forward. Ask for advice/ training etc., most experienced FC's should be more than happy to give you pointers. After all it's never bad to have more FC's available, especially in multi-timezone corps.
There is an Agony Unleashed FC seminar recording available that gives some very good advice to budding FC's. Find it Here
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2010.12.24 08:54:00 -
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Do some small gang and solo flying first so you get a really clear idea of what you can and can't engage with different ships and gang compositions. Also a really good FC knows what ranges to warp in and how to move their fleet around.
A lot of corps and alliances struggle to get someone to FC so there should be plenty of oppurtunities to lead smaller gangs in day to day pvp. If you have good fittings and a decent KB (and by that I mean some good kills and evidence that you go out and kill stuff) then it'll be easier to get people to follow you.
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YERMO
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Posted - 2010.12.24 11:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Ayolin Yaneer
Or more importantly, where do you get the experience to be a FC? Following orders is swell and all, however it's a thankless job, and feels kind of underwhelming.
Being a grunt is not really the end career I want to end up with in Eve. The largest problem I see is Eve does not give you a lot of options to learn from trial and error. Especially with a position as prestigious as FC.
Not only is it your own ship, but the ship of those listening under you that you're responsible for. Is it much like any buisness where you just slug it out for 15 years, pay your dues, and eventually when your boss retires, you move up?
your a grunt till you have the balls to hold the reins 
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Shiptoaster
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Posted - 2010.12.24 14:13:00 -
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Yep, I could use another GPS on my computer game. Train your leadership to *****.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2010.12.24 18:08:00 -
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Faction War also provides ample fights to learn from. But remember this, there are at least two very important and very different facets to running a fleet. The first is all in game. Understanding the map, your opponents, ships, aggro mechanics, and the like. The second is all out of game. Getting a group of players to listen to you and to have fun while doing so, is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Don't diminish your abilty to learn valuable skills while running around in other folk's fleets. Open your eyes and ears and you'll find many interaction have valuable lessons, even if you're just aligning, warping, and jumping when told.
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SGT INTAKI
Gallente
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2010.12.24 18:41:00 -
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Here's my advice.
Join a corp that has access to TS or Vent.
Take part in all operations that you can when you are on and listen in to how things are done, different FC's have different way of doing the same thing.
Ask a Corp FC when you have a small op on if you can take over so you can have a go at FC'ing. His/her role would be to listen in to how you are doing, offer advice and if there is a situation where you feel that you are out of your depth, take over for you.
Hopefully in no time at all, you too will be FC'ing your own fleet.
Good Luck and I hope it goes well for you.
SGT INTAKI
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FACLON ALT
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Posted - 2010.12.24 20:06:00 -
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There are two prerequisites for becoming the FC.
1) the position of FC must not belong to someone else.
2) the entire corporation must know that you are worthy of being the FC.
The best way to meet both aforementioned requirements, is to kill the current FC in front of the entire corp with your bare hands and eat his liver raw.
(you have to eat the whole thing, if you only take a few bites the corp probably won't be convinced, and will remain FCless indefinitely)
hope this helps.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.24 22:53:00 -
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To become an FC you must become a leader. A leader leads because he leads. I know it's circular logic. But that's how it works. Leaders rise out of the absence of other leaders. Let's say you're in a system with 15 blues doing various pve activities and a hostile gang comes along. These hostiles have 5 guys and of your blues, most are afk. A leader will try to get as many of them together as he can and get some sort of response gang out to attack the intruders. You will win sometimes, you will lose sometimes. That part actually isn't that important, it's the fact that you tried rather than docking up and going afk till they leave.
That will get you noticed by people and assuming you don't ALWAYS get slaughtered, you'll probably be asked to be a backup FC or squad leader in a larger fleet. FC's are always prime targets in any signficant fleet as destroying leadership is a great way to rout a foe quickly. So most fleets will have a clear chain of command as FC's are killed off. After that it's really just a matter of experience and reputation.
FCing itself is easy. All you do is call primaries and tell your guys when to bail (generally pretty obvious). Most people simply don't want the job tbh. It's exceedingly irritating watching half your fleet die because they can't follow simple instructions and have no clue how to pilot their own ship.
Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.25 04:14:00 -
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If you want to be an FC, you could do a lot worse than listening to this first.
You can thank me later.
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Asarus Atreyu
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.12.25 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: FACLON ALT
The best way to meet both aforementioned requirements, is to kill the current FC in front of the entire corp with your bare hands and eat his liver raw.
This is pretty much how KAIRS recruits new FCs! 
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Interested in a change? Come see what wormhole life offers in LOST-Pub! |
Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.25 17:22:00 -
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Don't 4get the British accent.
Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object
When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.12.25 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Spruillo
Don't 4get the Russian accent.
Fixed that
Gullible
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George Colren
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.26 02:16:00 -
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The easiest way to learn to FC is purely by experience. Start out taking out T1 frigates and cruisers and go fly into hostile space and die in a fire. You will quickly learn what certain fleet compositions will give you and what you need to be succesful. Once you have lead some small, fun fleets, figure out what you like to lead. For me I love to lead small, quick ships on fast moving roams. Interceptors, Hacs, Dictors, those are what I like to fly with. You would never catch me leading a large strategical operation or a POS shot, because I don't like being in those even as a grunt, I only go because the bodies are needed.
TL;DR: Learn by experience, trial by fire, whatever you want to call it. Just get out there and FC some fleets!
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Izuru Hishido
Amarr
Lethal Dosage.
Violent Society
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Posted - 2010.12.26 06:23:00 -
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Practice. Doesn't matter what you want to do, you need lots and lots and lots of practice.
/thread.
"The point of war is not to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his." |
KWyz
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Posted - 2010.12.26 15:30:00 -
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There's an old saying in my native tongue that goes something like this: "Meseria se fura" - "Skill is aquired by theft".
Get in fleets and watch other experienced fleet commanders at work. Then try and do your own stuff, just don't get too many people killed :). That's for the ingame active part.
The RL passive part is a lot more complicated, and depends a great deal on personal talent and knowledge of the game. EVE is a big,big enviroment, and knowledge means power. You need to speak the "lingua franca" of the game, I hope you can master spoken english/russian to a decent enough level so as not to annoy people - you will be doing a lot of talking. Not being a squealer also helps (FFS my voice broke out when i was 18, out of the blue).
Female voices tend to be more pleasant and less threatening, but this adds new factors to the whole leadership thing - if you're a girl. That being said, there aren't enough of them playing this game, I think many leaders would enjoy having a female FC even IF just for the novelty of it all - equal opportunity employers and all that.
What can I say, we all like to dream of Dragon Fleet coming to our rescue :)
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.26 15:53:00 -
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Turn your microphone up until you are the loudest voice coming over comms.
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
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Posted - 2010.12.26 16:42:00 -
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Also, the Uni can provide FC'ing opportunities. (I won't knock RvB though, it's all up to the OP which route he decides to take.)
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Toby Bojangles
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Posted - 2010.12.26 16:54:00 -
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There are 2 kinds of fc's .. the kind who always wanted to be an fc like you op. And the kind that reluctantly stepped up to being fc because there was none and there was a need.
You op, the kind of **** sucker who wants to be one, are like a bacteria on earth. You are a vile disgusting thing with the personalities of ass blood *****.
The kind that steps up though are usually pretty ok guys.
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