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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.25 03:06:00 -
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I am not suggesting a nerf or boost of either weapon type. However given the Minmatar have the speed advantage, and more primal nature, it seems to me that Autocannons should do MORE damage at LESS range, as they can get it and get out. As to the storyline ideas of Hybrids, why would you engineer a weapon to shoot LESS far? If you swapped the stats of Blasters and Autocannons on paper, it seems like fun to me.
I realize the Minmatar have a great advantage in Fall Off, but I think it would be interesting to consider a trade of the stats as they can get in close, get the job done, and then zoom out. It would be more of a raider style.
Caveat: I am really just proposing the idea as a point of discussion, not necessarily suggesting CCP swap them tomorrow.
Best regards, Apollo Gabriel Guardian of Reason |
MightyChin
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Posted - 2010.12.25 03:52:00 -
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So just make ACs useless and buff Blasters then?
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.25 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/12/2010 04:37:06 -1.
I'd prefer a system where the ship with the closest ranged weapons was not also the slowest.
Currently Gallente are like fat men with double barrel shotguns and Minmatar are like olympic sprinters with rifles.
Theres only one likely outcome in that scenario, dead fat man, olympic sprinter with a couple of pellets in his ass.
Put the fat men on a diet, with a good exercise program, make him faster, more agile, and leave them the double barrel shotgun and we have a fix. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.25 04:40:00 -
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-1.
I'd prefer a system where the ship with the closest ranged weapons was not also the slowest.
Currently Gallente are like fat men with with double barrel shotguns and Minmatar are like olympic marathon runners with rifles.
Theres only one likely outcome in that scenario, dead fat man, olympic marathon runner with a couple of pellets in his ass.
Put the fat men on a diet, with a good exercise program, make him faster, more agile, and leave them the double barrel shotgun and we have a fix.
In short
Minmatar - long distance runner Gallante - short distance sprinter
Something like +100 bonus to MWD speed +100 increase MWD cap use. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.12.25 05:18:00 -
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you noticed the right thing but your idea is kinda wrong what gallente ships need is a big buff in speed past that of minmatar so effectively no ships can run away from a gallente ships with same fitting well except some specialized ships like the vagabond
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 25/12/2010 06:42:38
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Currently Gallente are like fat men with with double barrel shotguns ...
PHHHHHHHFFFFFT...
That is by far the best description of Gallente tactics that I've seen in awhile (and might I add to that by saying Gallente drone boats are like "Boomers" in Left 4 Dead).
You owe me a new glass of eggnog and brandy sir!
On a more serious note... yeah... Gallente ships (the blaster ones in particular) just need to be able to close that horrible, horrible distance gap that puts them at a disadvantage. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.12.25 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy KSK you noticed the right thing but your idea is kinda wrong what gallente ships need is a big buff in speed past that of minmatar so effectively no ships can run away from a gallente ships with same fitting well except some specialized ships like the vagabond
So gallente would be top tankers and gankers, with the fastest ships and best drone ships, all often combined into a single ship. That's a wet dream, not a realistic proposal to fix the limited problems with current blaster ships. You can't just do that without seriously nerfing gallente on other fronts to keep things at least somewhat balanced.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.30 18:53:00 -
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hmm perhaps I wasn't totally clear, let me try this:
Minmatar: Speed + Best Gun Damage (with Hybrid Range), they get close and open up, if they need to they gtfo, but no more sitting at FO whacking folks (so no more best speed and best range kiting)
Gallente: Slow as before, but the range of the Autocannons, nothing stellar for damage nor speed, but consistent pvp ability + drones.
NOTE: Still on 1st cup of coffee.
Best regards, Apollo Gabriel Guardian of Reason |
Pinky Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.12.30 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: MightyChin So just make ACs useless and buff Blasters then?
How would this make AC useless. Correct m if I am wrong but minnie have a much higher ability to get into range to wtf pwn with blasers Than the Gallente do. I mean with being the fastest race, and web bonuses on top of that.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.31 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Starstrider
Originally by: MightyChin So just make ACs useless and buff Blasters then?
How would this make AC useless. Correct m if I am wrong but minnie have a much higher ability to get into range to wtf pwn with blasers Than the Gallente do. I mean with being the fastest race, and web bonuses on top of that.
I have the same question as well. I think Blasters are great, its sad they belong to the Gallente. I envision the minmatar as strapping nukes on their legs and charging! Blasters seem appropriate. Best regards, Apollo Gabriel
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Pinky Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.12.31 01:09:00 -
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I don't think they belong to Gallente TBH. Maybe its just me. But I am sure some kid somewhere say he gets 100 more DPS with them and was like AHHH MAAH GAWD Blasters PWN on Gallente.
Basically I look at it like this.
Caldari get Range Bonus, can Nano fit their Blaster boats, Gank and Tank. Blasters suck because they have little range but decent DPS. Gallente get Damage Bonus, can fit Tracking Comps, Gank and Tank. Rails suck because they have little DPS but decent range.
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Papa FireDance
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.31 02:21:00 -
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They had the right idea for blaster ships, but were buffing the wrong stat.
CCP was trying to make MWDs more usable on blaster boats, so they reduced cap requirements. Cap means f***all when you still can't catch anything with it. Gallente need a SHORT RANGE SPEED BOOST! I.E. burn their MWD hard and fast, get into scramble/web range then unleash hell.
All Blaster boats, regardless of their size, need the following bonus; 5% bonus to Microwarp drive speed per level of skill
Essentially, this make MWDs go 600% base, rather than 500%. That extra 100% should be enough to offset those faster ships. That said, this is of course scalable to balance. It could even be taken a step further to something like this;
10% bonus to Microwarp Drive speed and 5% increase in Microwarp Drive Capacitor Usage per level.
Now they go HELLA fast, but they could never perma run such a setup. They sprint, web, and kill, rinse, repeat. -----------------------------------
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.12.31 15:15:00 -
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Gallente ships are better in small gangs than minmatar but the minmatar are better for solo. I would just as soon have 10 thorax or 10 vexors in a gang as 10 ruptures. I would also rather have 10 myrms than 10 canes. But I would rather have a cane or a rupture for solo stuff.
If the minmatar ships can kite outside scram range they will win if they can't they will lose.
I remember seeing something that the idea of the gallente was that they are the big risk takers. They are supposed to go all in and hope their dps will finish the job before they lose the last bit of hull. So blasters and big hull fit Gallente.
That said the advantage gallente may have in gangs is very slight compared to the advantage minmatar have solo. So blasters should get some sort of boost like the projectiles and their ammo have been receiving.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
dirka
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Posted - 2011.01.03 17:26:00 -
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As a cross trained Caldari and Gallente pilot in Hybrids, I must agree with the above posters and the abundance of posters before me who claim Gallente need either (or a combination of):
- an increase to blaster stats
- an increase to MWD effectiveness
- an increase to webifier effectiveness
There have simply been too many nerfs affecting blaster boats that have combined to make them ineffective in their current form.
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