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Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:35:00 - [1] I am the executive officer of a small group of highsec pirates (aka, griefers) who do wardecs and some other stuff. We get our fair amount of tears (having already caused a guy to cancel his subscription, even) and stuff... but its somewhat boring. See, highsec space is too secure. Even with wardecs, people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care. I would propose either being able to force people to undock somehow after a time, or make it so that there is a higher incentive to pay a ransom. Something needs to be done, either way. Its mind numbingly safe even during wartime. That isnt what eve is about, IMO. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Luminos Durid is 4 Fite	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:38:00 - [2] Originally by: Myxx I am the executive officer of a small group of highsec pirates (aka, griefers) who do wardecs and some other stuff. We get our fair amount of tears (having already caused a guy to cancel his subscription, even) and stuff... but its somewhat boring. See, highsec space is too secure. Even with wardecs, people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care. I would propose either being able to force people to undock somehow after a time, or make it so that there is a higher incentive to pay a ransom. Something needs to be done, either way. Its mind numbingly safe even during wartime. That isnt what eve is about, IMO. Translated for the rest of us: I've got an 31337 PvP corp. Yo. But sometimes people figure out how to avoid ganking, and I can't hack it in lowsec. Help a noob out, would ya CCP? ______ I feel as though I could do anything. For example, stab this cheese knife into the Self-Taught Man's eye.
Chill Dude	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:42:00 - [3] If you're such a badazz take your butt to lo-sec or null even. I'm so impressed that you caused someone to quit. Eve isn't "ONLY" about pvp! Industry, exploration, invention, market whoring etc etc! Carebears need a place to do that without the constant irritants from the likes of you hiding behind empire mechanics enabling your weak fighting tactics.
Jaina Sunspot Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 26/12/2010 15:43:31 Sure we can have it so when you Dec a Corp: * You are Red to Everyone in Hi and can be shot. Then you don't have to care about the target anyone can shoot you. * If you loiter in front of a Station and Gate the guns shoot you. No more boring camps. * Can't dock unless in a Pod. * Get rid of Local and Locators so you have to see your target on grid to know they are in a system. They won't be so quick to dock up then. * If you war dec a Corp for more then a day we have kick out Hi sec that throws you into Lo. * RR doesn't work. I fixed it.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Myxx on 26/12/2010 15:44:58 Edited by: Myxx on 26/12/2010 15:44:10 Originally by: Luminos Originally by: Myxx I am the executive officer of a small group of highsec pirates (aka, griefers) who do wardecs and some other stuff. We get our fair amount of tears (having already caused a guy to cancel his subscription, even) and stuff... but its somewhat boring. See, highsec space is too secure. Even with wardecs, people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care. I would propose either being able to force people to undock somehow after a time, or make it so that there is a higher incentive to pay a ransom. Something needs to be done, either way. Its mind numbingly safe even during wartime. That isnt what eve is about, IMO. Translated for the rest of us: I've got an 31337 PvP corp. Yo. But sometimes people figure out how to avoid ganking, and I can't hack it in lowsec. Help a noob out, would ya CCP? thats clever, albiet entirely beside the point. Doesnt matter that 'lowsec' is for 'pvp'. Its that highsec is too secure anyway. if it must remain this secure, it shouldnt be this profitable. Originally by: Chill Dude If you're such a badazz take your butt to lo-sec or null even. I'm so impressed that you caused someone to quit. Eve isn't "ONLY" about pvp! Industry, exploration, invention, market whoring etc etc! Carebears need a place to do that without the constant irritants from the likes of you hiding behind empire mechanics enabling your weak fighting tactics. This would be valid, except I've done more industry than pvp in my time in eve. To the point I can fly and properly fit and use any ORE ship outside of a Rorqual. Nice try. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:43:00 - [6] Get out of high sec troll.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:54:00 - [7] Seems real PvP is too hard to the OP. That wants easymode PvP or he gets killed. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 15:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Myxx on 26/12/2010 16:00:57 Originally by: Shintai Seems real PvP is too hard to the OP. That wants easymode PvP or he gets killed. Its more like, I'm training a bunch of newbies and nullsec is an eventual goal for us, but right now... most of them dont have the knowledge to do that. Even then, its entirely beside the point. Highsec is too profitable for its level of security. It should be lowered in effectiveness. IE stuff like this- Let me force people to undock remove all ice from highsec severely nerf level four missions, or remove them from highsec remove pos's from highsec, or make them more expensive to maintain (Yes, I am fully aware of what a pain they are, having maintained several in the past) etc. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Myxx Originally by: Shintai Seems real PvP is too hard to the OP. That wants easymode PvP or he gets killed. Its more like, I'm training a bunch of newbies and nullsec is an eventual goal for us, but right now... most of them dont have the knowledge to do that. Perhaps you should go have someone train you first.
Jaina Sunspot Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Myxx Its more like, I'm training a bunch of newbies and nullsec is an eventual goal for us, but right now... most of them dont have the knowledge to do that. Awaits future thread about kick out POS's and Outposts.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Jaina Sunspot Originally by: Myxx Its more like, I'm training a bunch of newbies and nullsec is an eventual goal for us, but right now... most of them dont have the knowledge to do that. Awaits future thread about kick out POS's and Outposts. I beat you to the first part - Quote: remove pos's from highsec, or make them more expensive to maintain (Yes, I am fully aware of what a pain they are, having maintained several in the past) -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Luminos Durid is 4 Fite	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Myxx thats clever, albiet entirely beside the point. Doesnt matter that 'lowsec' is for 'pvp'. Its that highsec is too secure anyway. if it must remain this secure, it shouldnt be this profitable. So, what? I should have just given you a Trollololometer score of ... eh, I'll go 3/10? The topic is reasonable, and inflammitory enough to get responses from people hoping for an actual thread. A more insane suggestion like "CONCORDOKKEN anybody who uses Stabs in High Sec!" might have pushed you up to a 5, even a 6. But for my money, the real troll points come from something that seems sensible at first, but has something subtle wrong with it that would destroy the game entirely. Like perhaps that Wardecs should extend to the 'Walking in Stations' feature, so you can hunt a player down while their logged off and kill them while they sleep. Keep trying High Sec pirate, reach for those stars! (just don't look right at them with HDR enabled) ______ I feel as though I could do anything. For example, stab this cheese knife into the Self-Taught Man's eye.
Chill Dude	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Myxx Edited by: Myxx on 26/12/2010 16:00:57 Originally by: Shintai Seems real PvP is too hard to the OP. That wants easymode PvP or he gets killed. Its more like, I'm training a bunch of newbies and nullsec is an eventual goal for us, but right now... most of them dont have the knowledge to do that. Even then, its entirely beside the point. Highsec is too profitable for its level of security. It should be lowered in effectiveness. IE stuff like this- Let me force people to undock remove all ice from highsec severely nerf level four missions, or remove them from highsec remove pos's from highsec, or make them more expensive to maintain (Yes, I am fully aware of what a pain they are, having maintained several in the past) etc. We have a live one boys! It's hard for him to train his noobs. Hence, he wants the mechanics of hi-sec changed so his training job will be easier.
Karn Velora	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:08:00 - [14] I'm assuming this is a troll, but hey, I'll bite. High sec is nothing but a haven for bubblegum pirates. Wardecs are a functionality for gankers to attack industrialists, primarily. High sec provides resonable security for all pvp characters. The ones that actually need protection are always on the receiving end of wardecs and/or suicide ganks. The safest place for an industrial character is null-sec. Simple reason: as soon as you shoot ANYONE, you end up with -10 standing and get shot on sight by the locals - unless they shoot on sight even before that. In low / high sec, you can gank industrialists forever and suffer just about no ill effects whatsoever. Funny isn't it? The justice in null-sec is instant. In highsec you need to destroy hundreds of ships before you end up banned from the area. Pathetic really. CCP ought to reconsider highsec. Either make it safe, so the indys can use it, or remove it completely, so all the pirates can't hide any more.
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:08:00 - [15] "people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care" So wait, you dec like 3 guys and when they log alts or leave corp you just sit around doing nothing?
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Myxx See, highsec space is too secure. Even with wardecs, people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care. OH NOES! Originally by: Myxx Something needs to be done Its obviously a broken game mechanic, petition CCP for an ass full of care.
Birdman Ravo Legion of The Birds	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:12:00 - [17] 4/10 but only because Lady Spank posted. OP wants Concord to protect him but not his target. Fail.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Killstealing "people can just dock up and go AFK for a day and simply not care" So wait, you dec like 3 guys and when they log alts or leave corp you just sit around doing nothing? Theres a long list of people we've gone after. and all of those saying 'gtfo to nullsec'.. Behold, the wonder of 0.0: 70 percent capital blob 20 percent nano blob 10 percent gatecamp blob 90 percent empty 100 percent worthless -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Chill Dude	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:15:00 - [19] I agree Karn Velora. High-Security space SHOULD either be safer for industrialist or done away with completely. Presently it's a haven for wannabe piwats who think it's a real challenge blowing up those killer indy ships. (I killed an itty V, I'm so cool!)
Julia Venatrix	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:15:00 - [20] Myxx, you are admitting that your carebear WTs are better at griefing than you are! HTFU and learn how to warfight for crying out loud. It's just embarrassing to read your confession. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Myxx on 26/12/2010 16:20:26 Well, the flaming was expected. The advice reasonable.. Everyone pretty much missed the target, however. Focus less on my pvp, and more on the fact that highsec is too secure/profitable for its security. Bolded the important part. I am far from the only person who has said this time and time again. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Lancezh Gallente A.W.M	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:20:00 - [22] "(having already caused a guy to cancel his subscription, even)" Wow, you made someones day that miserable that he had to quit and you're showing OFF with that ? Way to go... there are other communities where you get more applaud for griefing others. And since you are to bad for lowsec you want to get the carebears asses being handed. Awesome... you're so badass you should watch out that you dont quit the game yourself because of yourself.
KaarBaak Minmatar Seatec Astronomy	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:20:00 - [23] If you make hisec less hospitable to people who prefer to seek concord protection, there are only a couple possible outcomes: 1) Players will leave the game because it no longer accommodates their playstyle 2) Players will leave hisec. Either way, hisec "pirates" like the OP, will have fewer targets. The alternative is that the OP and his Band of ne're-do-wells get bored and leave the game. The departure of a half-dozen self-described griefers vs exodus of carebears seems like easy math to the folks in Iceland cashing the checks. KB Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:22:00 - [24] hisec is too profitable now? oh god what the **** man pass the bong plz
Luminos Durid is 4 Fite	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Myxx and all of those saying 'gtfo to nullsec'.. Behold, the wonder of 0.0: 70 percent capital blob 20 percent nano blob 10 percent gatecamp blob 90 percent empty 100 percent worthless See? You're getting better! Instead of just making wild claims as to how the game should be changed, you're realizing that contradictory statements with stats pulled out of your ass work as much better troll material. You've managed a two-fer with this one too; not only saying that 0.0 is worthless, but that nullsec blobbing is somehow worse than highsec station games. Not quite 10/10 yet, but I know you can do it. ______ I feel as though I could do anything. For example, stab this cheese knife into the Self-Taught Man's eye.
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Killstealing hisec is too profitable now? oh god what the **** man pass the bong plz for its security level? Yes. I could roll an alt, train it up to use marauders and spam level 4 missions all day while I do stuff on my main. With no risk whatsoever. I've considered doing that, but its too gd boring. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:30:00 - [27] Myxx, You are deccing the wrong targets. You must choose targets that want to fight. Additionally, if people can't dock and go AFK, they will simply log off. Dec me I'll be happy to slap your learning PvPers corpies around a bit. Unless they always show up with lots of ECM/RR of course. In those cases, I won't stay docked, but simply ignore them as I go about my business. Something in EVE is only too safe if you chose to play it safe, and apparently you are. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Stegas Tyrano GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:34:00 - [28] It is High-Security space you know? Why don't you try roaming out to Low-sec or Null-sec. Even if it is full of blobs and gatecampers take your noobs out and fight them. Iff you are trying to train some newbies it would be better for them that you actually got them involved in some proper PVP instead of shooting indies. It's kind of hypocritical saying high-sec is too secure and you yourself are too scared to go out to Low-sec nevermind null.
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:36:00 - [29] You obviously don't know about the trillions of ISK that float around 0.0 That and you want easy targets.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.12.26 16:39:00 - [30] Some fixes, you've all heard them before: · Repping causes the same aggro timers as shooting. · Slightly slow down CONCORD response times. · Transferable/trade-able (and steal-able) killrights. · Transferable/trade-able (and steal-able) missions. · An actual bounty-hunting system. · Harsher ~~CORCORD bribe~~ wardec terms, but with means to counter-bribe. · Vendetta system. and, probably most importantly · More useful locations where stuff can happen ù get us away from these "#&% stations, gates and belts! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

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