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Starshi	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Starshi on 29/12/2010 05:09:00 Edited by: Starshi on 29/12/2010 05:08:24 So basicly i got this char http://eveboard.com/pilot/Starshi (i know its messed up, so don't comment on that please) and i wonder what to do now. I currently fly dominix, i can fly Kronos and i am 16 days from paladin. I was wondering if it's better if i buy and fit Kronos now to maximize ISK/h and get Paladin when i can, or just wait for Paladin ? I am not really rich atm (got about 400m).
Guy LeDuche	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:42:00 - [2] You have shield tanking and Caldari BS skill, better off training it to at least lvl3-4 and get a Nightmare. Way shorter than training Amar BS 5.
Starshi	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Guy LeDuche You have shield tanking and Caldari BS skill, better off training it to at least lvl3-4 and get a Nightmare. Way shorter than training Amar BS 5. Not exacly what i asked, but i want to salvage/loot stuff too, so i guess i will be better off with Marauder.
NoNah	Posted - 2010.12.29 13:02:00 - [4] i cant access your skillsheet right now but it's largely irrelevant. What really matters is how many and how well you run missions. If yo run missions perfectly and 20 hours a day the minimal loss you take from reselling the kronos is neglectable but if you only run a mission or two over the comonb 16 days... That said, you can make as much or more with a wellfit domi than a kronos. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 782936
Leekana Gallente Fable Corp	Posted - 2010.12.29 15:44:00 - [5] I have to agree a dominix can run through missions fairly fast. Really when it comes to missioning its about isk/hour. And you don't need a marauder to get that.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.29 15:48:00 - [6] Run in Domi save money for the pally not worth to have a kronos for 2 weeks really actually not really worth to have a Kronos :)
Ansol Gallente Origin Synthetic Industries	Posted - 2010.12.29 16:46:00 - [7] As a Kronos pilot I am offended. But seriously. Paladin. :( The Kronos is fun as hell, it really is, but if you really are looking to maximize, then I hear the Paladin will do leaps and bounds better. The dead remember our silence, The dead remember our indifference.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2010.12.29 16:54:00 - [8] kronos vs pally. well, it's an interesting comparision, but let's make it short: anything is better than a kronos. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Razor Blue Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:10:00 - [9] Kronos is much better than people think it is. It is skill demanding and inflexible however. You'll have hard time with it if you lack skills or have lousy fit. [Kronos, This be my Kronos] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator I 718dps (without drones) and 47km+40km range. Tracking is still slight problem even with +5% implant so Kronos is not so good under 40km ranges. I just blitz-kill everything and then come back with noctis. As for the Kronos vs Paladin... Paladin wins because it has tier4 turrets, Kronos has to settle with tier3.
Emmgel	Posted - 2010.12.29 21:27:00 - [10] It does rather depend on what npcs you fight, and which damage types to use. In general a tach-paladin is superior, however a Kronos on the lines of; 4 x 425mm railgun II 2 x tractor beam 1 x salvager (II) Medium; 2 x tracking computers (one speed modded) 1 x cap recharger 1 x AB / or another tracking computer Low; 3 magstabs + tank Rigs; 2 x capacitor rechargers Will do a more than decent job against particularly Federation Navy lvl 4 mission npcs in general. Only weak ones are the Angels to some extent, and frankly the Paladin really struggles with Angels too. Emmgel

Ogogov Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.29 22:51:00 - [11] The Kronos is a terrible ship because railguns suck, it has a dumb stasis web bonus and marauders are kind of crap now you can dualbox a noctis char that outperforms it for salvage ... about three weeks.
mama guru Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.30 16:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Ogogov The Kronos is a terrible ship because railguns suck, it has a dumb stasis web bonus and marauders are kind of crap now you can dualbox a noctis char that outperforms it for salvage ... about three weeks. Or you can dualbox with 2 dps ships and just ignore the salvage and make more money. But yes railguns need a buff in terms of ROF and lower cap useage. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Hephaesteus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.12.30 17:10:00 - [13] I fly a Kronos atm, but in a week and a bit I get T2 tachs. Then I will fit out a Paladin and see how they compare to each other. Me being in Amarr space the Pally should win, we'll see.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:04:00 - [14] Originally by: NoNah That said, you can make as much or more with a wellfit domi than a kronos. No. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
NoNah	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: NoNah That said, you can make as much or more with a wellfit domi than a kronos. No. I'd love to make it a wager. Make me a dataset and I'll see how well a domi matches it as soon as I get back to having a client. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 181958
Yob tvay'matar	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Grimpak kronos vs pally. well, it's an interesting comparision, but let's make it short: anything is better than a kronos. Lol no one could possibly say it better. +1 interwebs to you sir.
Zarbane	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:42:00 - [17] I have a maxed dominix with maxed drone and a Kronos and use both for missions. In some missions the domi is better, in other missions the Kronos is better. Missions with lots of jammers the Domi is better since the drones keep shooting if I get jammed. With missions with lots of cruisers, frigs, and destroyers, the domi is also better. Missions that are BS heavy the Kronos is better. Kronos definitely has higher dps then the Domi. I haven't been able to compare the Kronos with the other marauders, but it does all the L4 missions easily and I have no faction or deep space mods.
NoNah	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Zarbane I have a maxed dominix with maxed drone and a Kronos and use both for missions. In some missions the domi is better, in other missions the Kronos is better. Missions with lots of jammers the Domi is better since the drones keep shooting if I get jammed. With missions with lots of cruisers, frigs, and destroyers, the domi is also better. Missions that are BS heavy the Kronos is better. Kronos definitely has higher dps then the Domi. I haven't been able to compare the Kronos with the other marauders, but it does all the L4 missions easily and I have no faction or deep space mods. I don't suppose you'd care to share your setups? I'm having a ton of trouble getting the kronos deal more damage than the domi. Are you using high tier officer guns or something such? Cormack mag stabs? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 851817
Zarbane	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:58:00 - [19] [Dominix, PvE] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Stasis Webifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I I obviously change out the hardeners to mission specific hardeners unless its an easy mission then I just stay in lazy mode with an omni tank. I have T2 Medium projectile turrets, I use the the ACs to kill close range frigates, destroyers, and cruisers while my sentries take out everything else. [Kronos, New Setup 1] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Stasis Webifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Drone Link Augmentor I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 The Heavy neuts on both ships are protection vs Red Ninjas. The remote reppers is to repair drones while in a missions, personal choice for me. I don't salvage with the Kronos anymore, I prefer coming back with the Noctis. This Kronos does 834 dps with faction antimatter.
NoNah	Posted - 2010.12.30 21:03:00 - [20] Ah, didn't even cross my mind that you'd be using a afk-ish kind of setup for it. Sorry about that. For reference the "test" setups I used was a 1100 dps kronos and a 1200 domi. Actual applied damage obviously lower as I don't have rail spec 5 for example, but anything such ignored will without exception work in favour of the kronos. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 276378

Tae Ren	Posted - 2010.12.30 22:39:00 - [21] Originally by: NoNah Ah, didn't even cross my mind that you'd be using a afk-ish kind of setup for it. Sorry about that. For reference the "test" setups I used was a 1100 dps kronos and a 1200 domi. Actual applied damage obviously lower as I don't have rail spec 5 for example, but anything such ignored will without exception work in favour of the kronos. I have to say that majority of mission runners dont use blitz setups, spit at the cap booster users and try to have a prema tank whenever possible. Its the blitz setups that are a minority. Such people may genuinely believe that a navy scorp is better than cnr and a rattlesnake is better than a t1 domi because its a faction ship with a resist bonus. They have their reasons, be it bad connection, multiboxing (when you cant react as quickly to changes), or just general laid back attitude, when they dont wanna bother with micromanagement. Some people are completionists and they absolutely must kill and salvage everything in a room, the isk/hour or efficiency be damned. Point is, its 2 distinct groups of mission runners, and they each have what they consider a 'better mission runner'. They cant really be used for direct comparison since they each have different requirements for a mission ship.
Lilla Kharn Amarr B4D W0LF Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.12.31 01:20:00 - [22] Nightmare owns Paladin. Get a Nightmare. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
NoNah	Posted - 2010.12.31 09:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Tae Ren I have to say that majority of mission runners... Absolutely. You're hands down no doubt correct. However it's not a very interesting fact for the given fact. Even if the vast majority of cars used are not tractors, doesn't mean that it's advisable to plow a field using a volkswagen. Nor can a van be compared to a ferrari in a race. Even if said van driver might enjoy the extra space allowing him to stock up on candy and take small detours around the nearby schools. Even though vans are much more common than ferraris. What I said and tried to justify is that a domi can make as much or more isk than a kronos. And in this case it's pretty much true whatever the case may be, with the sole exception of someone deciding to salvage _everything_, and even then it's sort of a close call if coupled with a noctis. If you want to maximize your income(which I assume, as there's no way of guessing random criterias) - which is the main if note sole purpose of running missions in the first place - domi will be superior to kronos on average. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 364021
Dodgy Past Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.31 17:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Lilla Kharn Nightmare owns Paladin. Get a Nightmare. Tracking bonus is quite a revelation, Tachyon falloff is a very effective counter to the annoyance of TD'ing Sanshas.
Barton Gilbert	Posted - 2011.01.01 02:51:00 - [25] Kronos is pretty terrible. Dominix easily a better ship if you know how to fit it. Too lazy to look at your char sheet but golem is easy mode (I refuse to train caldari BS 5 because lolcaldari so golem is a "no" for me) Paladin for blood/sansha (nightmare decent but really want cald bs5) domi for guristas/serp vargur for angels/mercs, does great against sansha and bloods also
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.01.01 10:02:00 - [26] If you're dead set on Kronos vs. Paladin then understand this: Overall the Paladin is better than Kronos in every way. However, due to the super-high EM resist of Angels and Guristas rats, it sucks for missions where you have to go up against them. So if your mission agent sends you up against them fairly often (which they will if you mission for any Minmatar, Gallente, or Caldari corp), the Kronos will be the better choice.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.01 10:41:00 - [27] people go gaga for the domi, but I just don't see what makes it better than the kronos. yes it does a bit more dps, but tends to have a suicidal tank. I know the whole dead rats deal no dps thing, but that is what I do, **** my motto is "fit moar damage mods!" and well I'd give up that 100 dps for the convenience of the kronos. I dunno it is just every domi fit I see seems to be missing something. but the paladin is an awesome ship no doubt!
NoNah	Posted - 2011.01.01 11:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton people go gaga for the domi, but I just don't see what makes it better than the kronos. yes it does a bit more dps, but tends to have a suicidal tank. I know the whole dead rats deal no dps thing, but that is what I do, **** my motto is "fit moar damage mods!" and well I'd give up that 100 dps for the convenience of the kronos. I dunno it is just every domi fit I see seems to be missing something. but the paladin is an awesome ship no doubt! I'm not saying the Domi is great for missions, I'm saying it's better than the kronos. That it does more raw dps is only part of the reason, that it's much better at applying it is the second. Having half your dps constant regardless of ewar is a pretty big boon, altering your damagetype of almost half your damage helps and being able to keep spares and alternatve drones doesn't hurt. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 762677
Predator989	Posted - 2011.01.01 16:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Zarbane [Dominix, PvE] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Stasis Webifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I I obviously change out the hardeners to mission specific hardeners unless its an easy mission then I just stay in lazy mode with an omni tank. I have T2 Medium projectile turrets, I use the the ACs to kill close range frigates, destroyers, and cruisers while my sentries take out everything else. [Kronos, New Setup 1] Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Stasis Webifier II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Drone Link Augmentor I Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5 The Heavy neuts on both ships are protection vs Red Ninjas. The remote reppers is to repair drones while in a missions, personal choice for me. I don't salvage with the Kronos anymore, I prefer coming back with the Noctis. This Kronos does 834 dps with faction antimatter. Your fittings, they suck
Garong Frontier Research and Innovation	Posted - 2011.01.04 16:10:00 - [30] Originally by: NoNah Ah, didn't even cross my mind that you'd be using a afk-ish kind of setup for it. Sorry about that. For reference the "test" setups I used was a 1100 dps kronos and a 1200 domi. Actual applied damage obviously lower as I don't have rail spec 5 for example, but anything such ignored will without exception work in favour of the kronos. a 1200 dps dominix??? Is that a realistic fit or some officer fit fantasy? I'm very much interested in seeing it.



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