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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.12.29 13:33:00 -
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The problem: As part of the Incursion 1.0.1/1.0.2 release some players received a free remap, while others did not. This is unfair as those who did receive a free remap now have a significant training advantage over the others. Relevant threadnought is here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431913
How is this an issue: Those who received a free remap now have two (sometimes more) remaps available. This means that someone who is specced to Per/Will can remap to e.g. Char/Will for two or three months to knock out some Leadership skills and then go immediately back to Per/Will to train more Ship/Weapon skills. The others only had the timer reset for the one remap they already had coming up. That means if they were to respec to Char/Will to knock out those same Leadership skills they would be stuck with those attributes for the next 365 days and consequently train the same Ship/Weapon skills as the first person at a much slower rate.
Why is this so: Petition responses and dev responses in a/m thread have indicated that the remap system was never designed to allow giving out free remaps. The end result is apparently due to system limitations.
The solution: is actually (imo) quite easy to implement: allow those players who did not receive a free remap to petition to have the timer reset after they choose to remap. The end result for players with only one remap would then be the same as for those with two, albeit a bit more complicated. To take the aforementioned example, one could respec from Per/Will to Char/Will, petition to have the timer reset and after two or three months of knocking out Leadership skills respec back to Per/Will. The downside would be an increased burden on Customer Service.
:ccp: "Let's promise the players something useful even though we don't know how to do it right. Then, when they complain about being treated unfairly, let's firstly say that this is 'by design' and then just ignore the problem until they get tired of it and it fades away."
Relevant quote: "Important update: We intended to give every character a free neural remap as part of the Incursion 1.0.1 release. We have been made aware that not every character has received a free remap and we will aim to fix this during downtime on Thursday, December 16. We thank you for your patience." Note bold yellow. Linkage
TL;DR: Some players have a significant training advantage over others. This is unfair, but luckily there is an easy solution to the problem.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.12.29 13:38:00 -
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Supporting my own thread.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.29 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 29/12/2010 14:23:54
Just so it's clear I was one of the ones who only get their timer reset.
Not suported because we all got a gift. If you didn't have a remap, you were able to remap instantly and if you didn't they just added one. Quit whining.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.12.29 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 29/12/2010 14:35:09
So instead of filing a petition.... you came over here to whine and cry over a missing remap?
Sheesh... get over yourself.
PS: And as far as I know... those who where due one (legitimately I might add) got theirs.
Sounds to me you didn't get one because you had used up your remap and now your just BS'ing us.
And isn't just a little bit late to be complaining about it NOW?
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.29 15:00:00 -
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Leave britney.. wait... CCP alone!
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.12.29 16:02:00 -
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 Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 29/12/2010 14:23:54
Just so it's clear I was one of the ones who only get their timer reset.
Not suported because we all got a gift. If you didn't have a remap, you were able to remap instantly and if you didn't they just added one. Quit whining.
Instant remap != free remap. Want.
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Shadow Sleuth
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Posted - 2010.12.29 17:13:00 -
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Good plan, start a another thread about it... you're suppossed to divide the enemy and conquer... not the support.
Can we stop refering to it as a "free remap", it's a remap timer reset... the more time you've been waiting for your yearly remap the more screwed you are getting.
Those that say "stop whining"... so I guess when you get ass ****d you provide the lube? ...I suggest you stop whining about valid complaints, even if the game flaws are "by design"... oh wait, I bet you have the good part of a year till your next remap... you're laughing huh?
Lastly, I've been dealing with a volley of a petition that only just got escalated to senior GM... and he says he can't do anything about it. Does that mean our statute of limitations on posting about it on the forums is up? Make your mind up, hypocrite.
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Commander Phoenix
m3 Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.29 19:40:00 -
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It would be nice if I could train Charisma skills for 6 months like some of the characters who now have 2 remaps available can...
for that reason alone I am supporting :)
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Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.01.05 14:28:00 -
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We'll see if CCP does anything to fix this, doesn't seem they care about doing it.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2011.01.06 02:33:00 -
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Supported, I'd like the chance to blast charisma skills for a few months without shafting my skill plan like many other people have the opportunity now to do so.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.01.08 02:52:00 -
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so Tldr.. we didn't even get the value of fraction of an implant..and the real real advantage that other playes were given was the stacked nature of the implants that allow significantly higher training speeds in less common primary skills for the less than year period needed.
Its not the other half of the .5 that is the real issue.
The issue is the Stacking... getting an remap stacked means that you can make a plan where you train something for less than 6 months before switching...extremely valuable for something like a pvp player moving to a capital ship and needing 3 + months of drones (and 4+ without remapping specifically).
That is not an unusual situation at all (there are others like getting up to mega corp managment or super wcommand etc where charisma would be the key for a few months)
Over 3 or 4 months you can easily gain 1 million more sp during that short peirod if you have STACKED remaps..that they gave out so liberally to maybe 60% plus of characters.
Also, the fraction of a remap are really far less than the fraction they imply.
Oviously if you just remapped you wouldn't want to remap again for at least a few months... but most of us think ahead peopel make a plan to expire exactly when the next remap was due.. my .3 of a remap is worth nothing because i need the current attributes to finish up some stuff before i map the opposite way.
Remapping means planning ahead... a suprise shortening does no good unless you planned poorly.
No if they gave something like a .5 of a remap that meant i could remap again in 6 months ? (LOL ok im warping the concept irreperably) the point is if we had known 8 months ago that we would get a fraction of a remap perhaps it would be worth that whole fraction if we had the time to plan ahead.
so Tldr.. we didn't even get the value of fraction of an implant..and the real real advantage that other playes were given was the stacked nature of the implants that allow significantly higher training speeds in less common primary skills for the less than year period needed.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2011.01.08 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 08/01/2011 23:48:27
I think those who got their timer reset should have had the same amount of time remaining till their next remap. If this is not the case, then I am in support. I'm sure there were some who were an inch away from getting their remap and got screwed over by getting it just a few days sooner. That doesn't really count as an extra.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.01.09 02:22:00 -
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This doesn't seem to bother other people anything like it did to me.
As I've said elsewhere, its more a matter of being treated as I'm accustomed to by other non gaming companies but perhaps I shouldn't have that expectation (I'm really not that concerned about the sp.. just don't like the way it went down as a matter of principal... especially the presenting the gift as a free remap , and pretending like they don't understand the value differential, or that there were simple fairer ways of doing it..and still can be corrected)......ooops sliding into the gripe mode.
If this is what people expect as par for the road and don't see it any differently than a game mechanic adjustment done for the good of the game that effects players differently, well, I'll just readjust my thinking (still , I wish the communications were different)
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Cassina Lemour
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Posted - 2011.01.10 00:42:00 -
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Vaschel Novak
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vaschel Novak on 14/01/2011 18:23:57
supported because remapping out of per/will is useless except when its less than a year. I dont have a year of non per/will skills that i want/need to train
would also support the idea of letting remaps stack to at least 2 normally to allow a double remap every 2 years (even though that isnt the topic)
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