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Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.12.31 05:58:00 - [1] Hey as the topic states the release of the new character creator is supposed to be on the 18th. However after reading much of the feedback on the test server feedback forums, it seems there is still much to be desired. A lot of what makes our characters US in the old character creator seems to be missing. Rather than try to list stuff just head over to the test server feed back, look at the pictures and the responses from people. CCP I know you want to get it out on time, I know as a player I wanted to see it on time also, but, if you have to take an extra month and deploy it in Feb. instead of on Jan 18. Do so! Make it beyond excellent. PS for those who dont want to read the thread or log onto sisi, a lot of the feedback is in hair, glasses, hoods, facial tattoos, veils (amarr women), masks (minmatar) height and multiple accesories we have now but dont have in the new one.
Tyr Aeron Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.31 07:42:00 - [2] That's because CCP wants your character to be as bland and generic as possible so you'll spend more real world money on their "micro-transactions for vanity items". I was fine with the concept. Want a really unique pair of boots, glasses, etc, fine, $1 please. Ok, all fine and good as long as the characters were unique and interesting, but now that they've been made as vanilla as Wonder bread, it just demonstrates the absolute bottomless pit of greed that CCP dwells in. I'd support delaying the release in order to put in more options etc, but it won't do any good. I'm sure someone at CCP who calls the shots is reading a Mercedes brouchure right now congratulating himself on finding a way to get us to make his payments.
PLEXIN CARGO	Posted - 2010.12.31 09:55:00 - [3] Edited by: PLEXIN CARGO on 31/12/2010 10:00:02 Yes please CCP do not ruc¦sh things we want a complete version of the char creator not a rushed one!
Trebor Daehdoow	Posted - 2010.12.31 10:21:00 - [4] If the new character creator launches with significant deficits, then the CSM will take up this issue with CCP. However, let us wait until we see what CCP releases next month before we get all upset. Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.31 10:40:00 - [5] You could customize your face and and body fairly well, what it is lacking is the stuff that you would (probably) buy in the player shops in stations with the next expansion of Incarna. The only thing we are really lacking is a Save function for your half finished portrait. Doing a good portrait require time and it is too easy to accept something "less than good" and then regret it.
Jenny Cameron Ordo Eventus	Posted - 2010.12.31 13:10:00 - [6] I agree. Either release something good or work on it until it's good. Not saying the ediitor isn't a great thing but it leaves a lot to be desired. Options are quite limited, in some cases even beyond what the old editor allowed. And yes, I find it disappointing that apparently CCP decided that we all have to be the same length and women can't be muscular. My personal pet peeve though is that some bloodlines are changed into something totally different from what they were before. I hope we'll either get more options or an optional bloodline change. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread -
PLEXIN CARGO	Posted - 2010.12.31 13:11:00 - [7] The only thing we are really lacking is a Save function Don't forget that we can't change our hight...
Terazul Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.31 14:53:00 - [8] I think you severely underestimate how much progress they can make on this thing over the course of a month (which will be how much time has passed between the current build on SiSi and the released build on the 18th). We will definitely be missing tattoos and certain accessory options, but they've said as much in the past. The thing just needs to be released first, and anything that's missing will have to be addressed after the fact.
Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2010.12.31 15:54:00 - [9] I think you are overlooking the fact CCP has a terrible record of actually fixing things after they become features. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2010.12.31 15:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Anubis Xian I think you are overlooking the fact CCP has a terrible record of actually fixing things after they become features. Literally, the entire point of the next expansion is to expand on the groundwork of the new avatars. I know about how CCP has done things in the past, but this time you are worried over nothing.
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.31 16:11:00 - [11] i used the character editor, and while there are somethings i would like, i don't think it is bad. Please point out specifically what you don't like, rather then "OMG! people are bithcing! something is wrong."
Anne Arqui Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.31 16:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Please point out specifically what you don't like, rather then "OMG! people are bithcing! something is wrong." Perhaps you could read this?
Corian Teranos Caldari Joint Espionage and Defence Industries Preatoriani	Posted - 2010.12.31 21:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Tyr Aeron That's because CCP wants your character to be as bland and generic as possible so you'll spend more real world money on their "micro-transactions for vanity items". I was fine with the concept. Want a really unique pair of boots, glasses, etc, fine, $1 please. Ok, all fine and good as long as the characters were unique and interesting, but now that they've been made as vanilla as Wonder bread, it just demonstrates the absolute bottomless pit of greed that CCP dwells in. I'd support delaying the release in order to put in more options etc, but it won't do any good. I'm sure someone at CCP who calls the shots is reading a Mercedes brouchure right now congratulating himself on finding a way to get us to make his payments. where did this come from i was under the impression that vanity items were player designed and manufactured using ingame mechanics just like normal ship modules. the people who will be making money are the players who rent and run the stalls and they wont be making money they will be makiung isk the only way i see ccp making money is if they charge usd for the station stalls :Its all fun and games untill your logistics guy tries passive tanking his raven:
PC l0adletter	Posted - 2010.12.31 22:21:00 - [14] Edited by: PC l0adletter on 31/12/2010 22:22:23 Edited by: PC l0adletter on 31/12/2010 22:22:01 Originally by: Corian Teranos Originally by: Tyr Aeron That's because CCP wants your character to be as bland and generic as possible so you'll spend more real world money on their "micro-transactions for vanity items". I was fine with the concept. Want a really unique pair of boots, glasses, etc, fine, $1 please. Ok, all fine and good as long as the characters were unique and interesting, but now that they've been made as vanilla as Wonder bread, it just demonstrates the absolute bottomless pit of greed that CCP dwells in. I'd support delaying the release in order to put in more options etc, but it won't do any good. I'm sure someone at CCP who calls the shots is reading a Mercedes brouchure right now congratulating himself on finding a way to get us to make his payments. where did this come from i was under the impression that vanity items were player designed and manufactured using ingame mechanics just like normal ship modules. the people who will be making money are the players who rent and run the stalls and they wont be making money they will be makiung isk the only way i see ccp making money is if they charge usd for the station stalls Yes, that was the old concept. We'll have hair salons and tattoo parlors and players can make clothing! This will give people something to do in incarna. But then CCP realized they could charge people $2 for the privilege of having a non-beige shirt on their avatar. Therefore, all of the avatars will have weird and terrible hair and exclusively neutral colored clothing. What will we do with these avatars, besides pay money to dress them up? Nobody has any idea. But they've put the lion's share of devs on WoD anyways, so releasing this content allows them to pretend that they're still working on eve. Meanwhile, half the ships in the game are useless due to balance neglect, mining has been unchanged since 2004?, most of the pve content is so boring and predictable that people bot it, lag is better but you'd be hard pressed to find people who say that 1000+ fleet fights are enjoyable/fun... At least the infinity universe beta is supposed to come out this year. edit:forums ate my post
zus	Posted - 2011.01.01 04:26:00 - [15] As usually if something is not right CCP will release a fix to address the problem then why care if is complete now when I can work on my Character later on letÆs say 5 months from now I donÆt think that they will render my ZUS dysfunctional
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.01.01 05:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 01/01/2011 05:29:29 They're stuck in the rush for DUST and WoD. Currently DUST is this simple lil console shooter port, easy enough to build the models for an existing engine etc. So it's all basically finished months ago, sitting in a corner gathering hah dust. The original plan was to slowly integrate it, but obviously they've discovered that deploying on console you have to get a lot of the code in the initial CD rather then on patches. So all these things need to be completed so that DUST can be released and cashflow can be made from the wasted years of dev spent on it and the bloated relatives. CCP explained this when they told us they wouldn't be working on Eve-Online their flagship product for 2 years as a result. Of course the Eve community isn't happy to wait for these superfluous changes when their main driving factor is to save money on code for another game, World of Darkness, and generate cashflow from yet another side-project DUST. The rush to release DUST shouldn't involve pushing product onto Eve which isn't ready for release. History tells us that it will unfortunately. The CCP game I pay for is Eve-Online..... How bout you?
Jenny Hawk State War Academy	Posted - 2011.01.01 10:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Anubis Xian I think you are overlooking the fact CCP has a terrible record of actually fixing things after they become features. Exactly that is my biggest concern. If it even takes 3 years to fix somethimng simple like rockets, I don't have much hope for something far more complicated like a character editor.
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.01 15:20:00 - [18] Quote: somethimng simple like rockets LOL
Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.01 16:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Anubis Xian I think you are overlooking the fact CCP has a terrible record of actually fixing things after they become features. Literally, the entire point of the next expansion is to expand on the groundwork of the new avatars. I know about how CCP has done things in the past, but this time you are worried over nothing. I'm not worried at all. That would imply there is a reasonable chance CCP will keep the ball in play instead of dropping it. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2011.01.01 19:18:00 - [20] I am kinda worried, I have 3 different types of characters, and 2/3 seem pretty bland honestly. I mean really bland, I can even make this intaki here look like a brutor male with the new stuff. I'm just saying we can postpone it for 12 or so more days to make sure we all look cool and retain our identities.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.01 20:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow If the new character creator launches with significant deficits, then the CSM will take up this issue with CCP. However, let us wait until we see what CCP releases next month before we get all upset. this, thank you CSM for being rational :P
Crazy KSK	Posted - 2011.01.01 21:34:00 - [22] im more than unsatisfied with the current options the editor has imho it should be postponed till incarna PS: I want haircut, tattoo, eyes and robe of the char I have now
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.01 21:46:00 - [23] Don't try to start a fire before limber arrives.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2011.01.01 22:24:00 - [24] I'd say: only release it when it's working to everyones satisfaction on Sisi. Which it doesn't at all now.
Corian Teranos Caldari Joint Espionage and Defence Industries Preatoriani	Posted - 2011.01.02 00:02:00 - [25] Originally by: PC l0adletterYes, that was the old concept. We'll have hair salons and tattoo parlors and players can make clothing! This will give people something to do in incarna. But then CCP realized they could charge people $2 for the privilege of having a non-beige shirt on their avatar. Therefore, all of the avatars will have weird and terrible hair and exclusively neutral colored clothing. What will we do with these avatars, besides pay money to dress them up? Nobody has any idea. But they've put the lion's share of devs on WoD anyways, so releasing this content allows them to pretend that they're still working on eve. Meanwhile, half the ships in the game are useless due to balance neglect, mining has been unchanged since 2004?, most of the pve content is so boring and predictable that people bot it, lag is better but you'd be hard pressed to find people who say that 1000+ fleet fights are enjoyable/fun... At least the infinity universe beta is supposed to come out this year. edit:forums ate my post[/quote where is this notice about micro transactions can you link the dev blog that talks about it so i can start a flame war :Its all fun and games untill your logistics guy tries passive tanking his raven:
Aphser Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.02 07:22:00 - [26] +1
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2011.01.03 05:18:00 - [27] well I have to admit 2 weeks until we find out what is going to be in there, I hope ccp can pull off their miracle mode and include some cool stuff.

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