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Tbone Johnson Caldari ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:39:00 - [31] If they don't cloak they will just log off, making suggested COOLDOWN and FUEL USAGE change completely obsolete. There are other ways to catch them. Leave cloaks alone.
Aero089 Exiled. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.01.08 09:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Tbone Johnson If they don't cloak they will just log off, making suggested COOLDOWN and FUEL USAGE change completely obsolete. There are other ways to catch them. Leave cloaks alone. You're probably right about the logoffski, dealing with one problem would bring forward that old problem. I wonder why macroers don't do the logoffski bit anymore, they used to do it by default 'back in the day'. If you know any ways, please do let me know. There is only one guy I know that was able to pull it off, he's in your alliance... @Anna, I'll admit I'm terrible at soloing. I'll say it out in the open; if anyone is likely to screw up in a fleet, it'll be me. Still, I'm the one that actually plays in nullsec and thus encounters this **** on a regular basis. ;) Also, I did read your entire first reply which is full of you talking out of your arse. @Mimiru - Another one with no killboard history to boot. I can only judge people based on what is visible throughout statistics. Seriously, is it really too much to ask to get input from people with FIELD EXPERIENCE? --- Ex. Website \| Recruitment
Anna Lifera 6....	Posted - 2011.01.08 15:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Aero089 @Anna, I'll admit I'm terrible at soloing. I'll say it out in the open; if anyone is likely to screw up in a fleet, it'll be me. Still, I'm the one that actually plays in nullsec and thus encounters this **** on a regular basis. ;) Also, I did read your entire first reply which is full of you talking out of your arse. experience =/= skill, especially in your case. therefore, u try 0.0 and fail at it and that's why u want easier killmails by making it easier to gank one defenseless ship? well i'm sry that despite your self-proclaimed "experience", u're not able to comprehend the fact that afk cloaking is actually the least of your problems since u can't even take a loss from that one person. so lemme break this down slowly for u--there... r... plenty... of... other... fish... in... the... sea. learn to play, move on, and get your killmails from someone who wants to fight--yes, there's a 1% chance that u might gasp take a loss but guess what? that's 0.0. htfu and u won't have to wait forever in vain and end up crying about it in the forums. speaking of which, if u can't refute an argument, don't bother proposing at all. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek
Aero089 Exiled. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.01.08 16:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Anna Lifera Originally by: Aero089 @Anna, I'll admit I'm terrible at soloing. I'll say it out in the open; if anyone is likely to screw up in a fleet, it'll be me. Still, I'm the one that actually plays in nullsec and thus encounters this **** on a regular basis. ;) Also, I did read your entire first reply which is full of you talking out of your arse. experience =/= skill, especially in your case. therefore, u try 0.0 and fail at it and that's why u want easier killmails by making it easier to gank one defenseless ship? well i'm sry that despite your self-proclaimed "experience", u're not able to comprehend the fact that afk cloaking is actually the least of your problems since u can't even take a loss from that one person. so lemme break this down slowly for u--there... r... plenty... of... other... fish... in... the... sea. learn to play, move on, and get your killmails from someone who wants to fight--yes, there's a 1% chance that u might gasp take a loss but guess what? that's 0.0. htfu and u won't have to wait forever in vain and end up crying about it in the forums. speaking of which, if u can't refute an argument, don't bother proposing at all. Hey Anna, Please come to the Great Wildlands, have a fly around. Try to catch something. Report your findings, okay? Nullsec is supposed to be risky, needs to be defended. It's nullsec, not highsec. --- Ex. Website \| Recruitment
Anna Lifera 6....	Posted - 2011.01.08 16:37:00 - [35] Edited by: Anna Lifera on 08/01/2011 16:45:02 Originally by: Aero089 Hey Anna, Please come to the Great Wildlands, have a fly around. Try to catch something. Report your findings, okay? Nullsec is supposed to be risky, needs to be defended. It's nullsec, not highsec. so what u're saying is u can't catch **** but if he's running/hiding then he's not attacking, right? so what's this problem u have about "defending"? is hiding behind 100+ to get a similar feeling of high sec still not safe enough for u against an "army of one"? --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:12:00 - [36] wasting your time anna... he's just a killmail ***** who cries and cries of tears over not getting that cloaky. He will not understand reasoning or rationality. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Anna Lifera 6....	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:21:00 - [37] aww but pirate tears r so delicious! --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 08/01/2011 17:34:39 aww but fail pirate tears r so delicious! For once... which is rare... I agree with you. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/01/2011 20:54:40 There should be a change to local AND cloacking, together. The whole concept of using a chatroom as an intelligence tool is just wrong. Changing it will unbalance cloaks, and they will need to be adjusted. Maybe after local change we will have fights happening somewhere except for gates for a change. You say null-sec must be defended, but there currently is nothing to defend. You just dock and wait for them to leave. Need some sort of targets that would force people to get their asses up and defend them. Make system uprades damageable or something. Today, roaming is about going through 30 systems untill you hit a gatecamp. And then it is a question of numbers. Or if defenders are feeling generous they might drop a supercap or two on your cruiser gang
Vallek Arkonnis	Posted - 2011.01.08 22:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Aero089 Safety should never be absolute. Yet you feel cloaks should be nerfed because they allow ships to hang out in your space giving you the heebie-jeebies... Not supported.
Reaver Glitterstim	Posted - 2011.01.08 23:18:00 - [41] I think it should be possible (though difficult even with max skills) to scan down cloaked vessels. Even getting a faint signal without a lock can let you know approximately where to move to to get closer to the cloaked vessel. Once you get close enough, you might be able to get a lock. Also, I think auto-local should be removed from nullsec. Perhaps a corporation or alliance could pay an upkeep to keep an updating local channel in a particular system, and allow all alliance members and friendlies access to that channel, while neutral and hostile players entering would be unable to tell how many are in the system. The channel updater should also be destructible.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Certified Household Sweeping Consulting	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:52:00 - [42] less thinking more pew pew.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim I think it should be possible (though difficult even with max skills) to scan down cloaked vessels. Even getting a faint signal without a lock can let you know approximately where to move to to get closer to the cloaked vessel. Once you get close enough, you might be able to get a lock. Also, I think auto-local should be removed from nullsec. Perhaps a corporation or alliance could pay an upkeep to keep an updating local channel in a particular system, and allow all alliance members and friendlies access to that channel, while neutral and hostile players entering would be unable to tell how many are in the system. The channel updater should also be destructible. Depending on the parameters of your idea with cloaking, I'm not really sure if I like it or dislike it. Honestly, I'm leaning more towards dislike since it seems that if you kept mechanics like that, it would make it much harder to break through gate camps...

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